No Holds Barred - Elite

chamber44

i knew I had no chance of getting anything good in this tourney with M.Storm 50, OBW 43, and Thor 45 as my best covers. So, i'm pretty happy with my 800 finish (three Heroic tokens + ISO). Pulled two Thors that I didn't need and another green Hulk.

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cleptomaniac wrote:

This was my first tournament of this type. In every other I played it wasn't a shield fest. Finished in 7th I believe.

I have a couple questions for people in the know.

1. What team does the computer pick for you when someone fights you in these? Anyone who faught me care to enlighten me on who they faught? And then if you did, we're they any good with the computer at the helm?

2. What was with all the 0 fights popping up? Where there really that many people shielded below the top 15?

The AI uses the team you last used in that particular tournament. Each tournament has a different memory.

It's not that there was a lot of shielded people (everyone wants to know the reason). My guess is that the MMR machine was truncating the leftmost digit of the score for whatever reason. Typically you can see someone 500 above and below you. You get 50 points for someone 500 points above, you lose 50 points to someone 500 points below. At the same rating you lose 25 points. The observation is that the magic matchmaker would lose the first digit. So instead of 1300 plus or minus 500, you would get 300 plus or minus 500. Well, in binary or hexadecimal it's the same deal. It's only a guess.

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Bugpop wrote:

cleptomaniac wrote:

This was my first tournament of this type. In every other I played it wasn't a shield fest. Finished in 7th I believe.

I have a couple questions for people in the know.

1. What team does the computer pick for you when someone fights you in these? Anyone who faught me care to enlighten me on who they faught? And then if you did, we're they any good with the computer at the helm?

2. What was with all the 0 fights popping up? Where there really that many people shielded below the top 15?

The AI uses the team you last used in that particular tournament. Each tournament has a different memory.

It's not that there was a lot of shielded people (everyone wants to know the reason). My guess is that the MMR machine was truncating the leftmost digit of the score for whatever reason. Typically you can see someone 500 above and below you. You get 50 points for someone 500 points above, you lose 50 points to someone 500 points below. At the same rating you lose 25 points. The observation is that the magic matchmaker would lose the first digit. So instead of 1300 plus or minus 500, you would get 300 plus or minus 500. Well, in binary or hexadecimal it's the same deal. It's only a guess.

I am just wondering what it suddenly worked again for a few hours, before going back to 0 point hell. Did they make a buggy patch?

Eddiemon

My guess is that the sheer quantity / ratio of shielded people to active people was playing merry hell with the algorithms. It's not the kind of scenario they can generate in the test lab really.

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Grats to all who participated.

Reading the comments you seemed to mostly have fun, however i dont think anymore elite tourneys should be run until the matchmaking/points are fixed. You should never get 0 point matchups, all fights should have a minimum value even if its just 1 or 2 points. It's unacceptable to have to pay to enter and then not be able to gain points.

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Eddiemon wrote:

My guess is that the sheer quantity / ratio of shielded people to active people was playing merry hell with the algorithms. It's not the kind of scenario they can generate in the test lab really.

Yeah they can

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Well fought, well done.

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So guys, are the prizes one of each over? Or 5?

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Anyone? Nemek?

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One of each cover for each characters power, think it was around 90 covers in all. Obviously thrilled with getting 3rd place, but I would think twice about competing in something like this again, the last 4 hours once the pushes started was so stressful.

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Not surprising. One party got paid lots without the stress though. You all know who.

D3.

aussiemac

Nick-Fury wrote:

One of each cover for each characters power, think it was around 90 covers in all. Obviously thrilled with getting 3rd place, but I would think twice about competing in something like this again, the last 4 hours once the pushes started was so stressful.

Congrats on the winnings! Do you feel you definitely came out ahead? Any idea on the HP used?

Unknown

That's kind of the evil of this tourney. Like in Hold 'em, when you are gambling and are 'pot committed', you have to see the hand all the way through. Which means you can make poor decisions you normally wouldn't make.

Having to spend so much HP in shields has the same effect, in that it forces someone to see it all the way through and spend way more (time and money) than they ever bargained for at the outset.

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Nick-Fury wrote:

One of each cover for each characters power, think it was around 90 covers in all. Obviously thrilled with getting 3rd place, but I would think twice about competing in something like this again, the last 4 hours once the pushes started was so stressful.

Yeah, despite the prize being quite tasty this time around, I couldn't bring myself to devote 3 days to shielding and monitoring leaderboards, with the risk of it all falling apart at the end. At least with Avengers most people in the Top 100 made an HP profit, whereas this one was really only worth it if you made Top 3.

My theory is that Elite events are designed to make you feel empathy for the developer by giving you a sense of what it's like to make and run MPQ:

1. It's best to only become visible in the forums in short bursts, otherwise the mob will tear you apart. Better to remain shielded as often as possible.
2. As a corollary to #1, the more the game progresses, the more dangerous it is to push the code forward. Making one small point gain (code update/new feature/bug fix), can open you up to a huge point loss (see: shields allowing everyone and their pet iguana to hit 2400 pt. prog rewards, or PvE scaling woes).
3. The more successful you are, the more people accuse you of cheating.
4. No matter how much work you do, you'll probably wake up the next morning to a -238 notification.
5. You keep seeing the same 5 forum-goers in your queue hitting you over and over and over and over.
6. Winning means stress.

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It's just nice to compete on a level playing field. (even if that playing field is leveled to zero hell)

No buffed bullkitty.
No one star team riding a squishy MMR tier bullkitty.
No rubberbanding bullkitty.


Even after my eleventh hour meltdown, I still had more fun in this tourney than any other event so far.

Elite tourney is not for the faint of heart.

Neil/Nemek/Nick --- Well played sirs. Takes alot of courage to break shield at the top.

Optimates, I see you've built up quite the lead in my DS bracket... Challenge accepted.

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aussiemac wrote:

Nick-Fury wrote:

One of each cover for each characters power, think it was around 90 covers in all. Obviously thrilled with getting 3rd place, but I would think twice about competing in something like this again, the last 4 hours once the pushes started was so stressful.

Congrats on the winnings! Do you feel you definitely came out ahead? Any idea on the HP used?

I've spent 3000 HP through the tournament, I haven't done all my selling yet but it looks like I will earn around 2000HP back from the rewards, so 1000HP cost for the 5 x 4* covers I needed and the 3 Daredevil covers, as well as the 20K ISO rewards, so I definitely feel like I came out ahead.

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AsianInvasion wrote:

It's just nice to compete on a level playing field. (even if that playing field is leveled to zero hell)

No buffed bullkitty.
No one star team riding a squishy MMR tier bullkitty.
No rubberbanding bullkitty.


Even after my eleventh hour meltdown, I still had more fun in this tourney than any other event so far.

Elite tourney is not for the faint of heart.

Neil/Nemek/Nick --- Well played sirs. Takes alot of courage to break shield at the top.

Optimates, I see you've built up quite the lead in my DS bracket... Challenge accepted.

Wait a minute, who won? Neil. Nemek, Nick? NERF THE LETTER 'N'!!!

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morphy wrote:

Bugpop wrote:

cleptomaniac wrote:

This was my first tournament of this type. In every other I played it wasn't a shield fest. Finished in 7th I believe.

I have a couple questions for people in the know.

1. What team does the computer pick for you when someone fights you in these? Anyone who faught me care to enlighten me on who they faught? And then if you did, we're they any good with the computer at the helm?

2. What was with all the 0 fights popping up? Where there really that many people shielded below the top 15?

The AI uses the team you last used in that particular tournament. Each tournament has a different memory.

It's not that there was a lot of shielded people (everyone wants to know the reason). My guess is that the MMR machine was truncating the leftmost digit of the score for whatever reason. Typically you can see someone 500 above and below you. You get 50 points for someone 500 points above, you lose 50 points to someone 500 points below. At the same rating you lose 25 points. The observation is that the magic matchmaker would lose the first digit. So instead of 1300 plus or minus 500, you would get 300 plus or minus 500. Well, in binary or hexadecimal it's the same deal. It's only a guess.

I am just wondering what it suddenly worked again for a few hours, before going back to 0 point hell. Did they make a buggy patch?

I'm not convinced it did start working again. It was only in the last few hours that we are able to move. I think this is because those below the top 10 unshielded and made extraordinary pushes, pushing them into our "zero zone" and allowing a point attack. Whoever was first to drop shield and go for it started a chain reaction all down the line.

I was on my way home, considering taking a 2-point I'd saved from my thousands of earlier skips then BAM -- it opened up and the carnage ensued.

Unknown

I'm not convinced it did start working again. It was only in the last few hours that we are able to move. I think this is because those below the top 10 unshielded and made extraordinary pushes, pushing them into our "zero zone" and allowing a point attack. Whoever was first to drop shield and go for it started a chain reaction all down the line.

I was on my way home, considering taking a 2-point I'd saved from my thousands of earlier skips then BAM -- it opened up and the carnage ensued.

There's only one person who could break the zero/shield stalemate. Ladies and gentlemen... JOSE!!!! [slow clap into thunderous applause]

My theory on zero pt hell: Koolbiird hacked into the server and rigged the matchmaking, then got ban hammered.

Eddiemon

RangoFett wrote:

Wait a minute, who won? Neil. Nemek, Nick? NERF THE LETTER 'N'!!!

Nooooo.

I have just put in a ticket to get myself renamed To Neddiemon.

It would be like Ragnarok all over again.