yeah 3/5/5 all the way because you want her AR to stay at 8 cost, so if the enemy has any purple AP when you make purple matches with her you can have AR up in 2 matches, also its just nice to have an AP steal ability as cheap as possible so you can use it sooner.
For what it's worth, I decided to build a second 5/4/4 OBW to see how this build would hold up to my (much used) 3/5/5 OBW and I only use my second build in purple generating goon nodes, or maybe if my 3/5/5 OBW is very low on health (which has not really happened since the 10 health pack upgrade).
So I agree with the previous reactions: 3/5/5 is the best build by far, 4 or 5 in purple is just a bit too slow.
I fought a 5 OBW in the Women of Marvel PVP yesterday. Thought it would be a pushover.
The minx utterly defeated me.
From the moment she fired her first Aggressive Recon, wiping out any chance I had to fire an ability, it was all downhill. Anti-Gravity for a big heal. Another AR a couple matches later. My AP bar is now looking like a mix of zeros, ones and twos, while the enemies overfloweth. I ate a couple bad enemy skills and bailed while the bailing was still good.
One thing that fifth cover does for her is that it also steals , reducing her effective cost from 11 to 7 (if the still exists to steal).
It won't work all the time, but when it does.. sheesh.
That's a good point, I had forgotten that the fifth would steal purple, although it's not the effective cost (which is still 11) but the net cost going forward, which is 7 if the enemy had it. The reason that I still avoid it is because of her persistent ability to steal purple. If your opponent makes one purple match (3 ) and I make two, that's a final gross of 8, and AR goes off at 3 covers, stripping 3 of everything and they're down to one purple anyway. Under the 5 cover mechanic, you need three matches to your opponent's one (again, assuming they have it) at which point you steal all of the things, forever, amen.
I'll consider the next time I draw it. It's a reasonable proposition, which would make mine 5/3/5 (because Espionage is still beast).
2/5/5, though admittedly I keep a second 3/5/5 OBW which I don't use as much. The 1 AP quicker steal makes a huge difference ensuring that I can steal AP before the AI gets off an ability.
2/5/5, though admittedly I keep a second 3/5/5 OBW which I don't use as much. The 1 AP quicker steal makes a huge difference ensuring that I can steal AP before the AI gets off an ability.
5 in purple is a waste. You're stealing purple through espionage already.
Only if she tanks purple, which, if she's along for the ride with some 3* muscle, she might not be. Of course if you're in 3* land you're probably using Loki for similar effect.
But in general I'll agree, the 4th & 5th purples pump up the cost too much to be worthwhile.
I don't think I'll forget losing to OBW that way any time soon though. She must have stolen about 40 AP from me before I quit.
The thing about having 2 OBW's is that sometimes you don't pay enough attention and end up taking the 'wrong' one (5/4/4, less than ideal) into a fight, which happened to me in the hardest node of The Hunt PVE that's currently running. And of course I thought 'next fight I need to switch to my 3/5/5 OBW'... which I promptly forget two moves later it seems.
Fortunately this only happened ehm... 3 times in a row
But I did win all of the fights so I can't complain about that. Thing that I want to illustrate is that, indeed as optimus said really, if you have a little luck or if you fight enemies who actively pursue/produce purple then a 5 OBW can work magic and leave an opposing team without pretty much any colour AP except for TU. So I find it hard to say that OBW has a really wrong build, but it's just that 3/5/5 works best in most circumstances, because you don't really need that little bit luck I mentioned earlier.
As above poster mentioned, you need to take into account the decimals. If you look at the match damage charts on wiki, Torch black requires 2 levels to increase by 1 match damage and OBW requires about 3 levels to increase by 1 match damage. Therefore even if Torch was at level 82 and 43 match damage, he would still be tanking black. You should have stopped at 81.
For some reason OBW is ridiculously rare for me so I don't want to start all over but I accidentally covered her in 4 purple and 4 black. What do I do? 5/3/5? 4/5/4?
For some reason OBW is ridiculously rare for me so I don't want to start all over but I accidentally covered her in 4 purple and 4 black. What do I do? 5/3/5? 4/5/4?
Once you have 13 covers, you can respec when you get a 14th if it is in one of the colors you don't have maxed. You should eventually aim for 3/5/5. If you are already 4/5/4, wait for the last black you need. 4 purple is worse than both 3 and 5 purple, so you may want to temporarily bump it to 5 if it is taking too long to get the other covers.
That 5th black cover makes espionage 10x better than it was before, and the reason you're using OBW is for healing so definitely 5 blue covers. I find the lower cost on the purple more valuable than the extra AP she steals anyway.
The only issue I see with 3/5/5 is if you pair her with someone who is matching all of the black/blue/purple instead of her, you never get to use espionage anyway. For example, the current PvE has an upgraded Daken so black widow never makes a match. If that's the case, then you have to weigh the options of 5 purple covers potentially giving you more AP but also costing more AP to do so.
That 5th black cover makes espionage 10x better than it was before, and the reason you're using OBW is for healing so definitely 5 blue covers. I find the lower cost on the purple more valuable than the extra AP she steals anyway.
The only issue I see with 3/5/5 is if you pair her with someone who is matching all of the black/blue/purple instead of her, you never get to use espionage anyway. For example, the current PvE has an upgraded Daken so black widow never makes a match. If that's the case, then you have to weigh the options of 5 purple covers potentially giving you more AP but also costing more AP to do so.
The reason I use OBW is AP stealing and Espionage. Healing is just a bonus.
...but as it happens I think the AP steal is more effective at level 3 since you can start stealing sooner.
hello,
i have black widow originally currently as 3/3/0 and found another purple cover.
If i add this cover and level her up a few more times, and later change her skills to 3/5/5 to i have relevel her because i remove and add a cover? or can i keep her at the higher level?
hello,
i have black widow originally currently as 3/3/0 and found another purple cover.
If i add this cover and level her up a few more times, and later change her skills to 3/5/5 to i have relevel her because i remove and add a cover? or can i keep her at the higher level?
You will not have to relevel her, but you won't be able to lower the purple skill until she's at 13 covers total and you are attempting to add a 14th (non-purple) cover.
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So I agree with the previous reactions: 3/5/5 is the best build by far, 4 or 5 in purple is just a bit too slow.
Everyone thus far is correct.
The minx utterly defeated me.
From the moment she fired her first Aggressive Recon, wiping out any chance I had to fire an ability, it was all downhill. Anti-Gravity for a big heal. Another AR a couple
One thing that fifth
It won't work all the time, but when it does.. sheesh.
I'll consider the next time I draw it. It's a reasonable proposition, which would make mine 5/3/5 (because Espionage is still beast).
OBW thread, does not have build poll.
5 in purple is a waste. You're stealing purple through espionage already.
Hoarding covers to make a 5/3/5 just for Ultron runs and certain guantlet boards (anything with DP in it)
but my 3/5/5 is my go to when i use her in TBE.
But in general I'll agree, the 4th & 5th purples pump up the cost too much to be worthwhile.
I don't think I'll forget losing to OBW that way any time soon though. She must have stolen about 40 AP from me before I quit.
Fortunately this only happened ehm... 3 times in a row
But I did win all of the fights so I can't complain about that. Thing that I want to illustrate is that, indeed as optimus said really, if you have a little luck or if you fight enemies who actively pursue/produce purple then a 5
I have Torch at lvl 83 so both have black dmg of 43 but even with widow in the middle torch tanks black.
Once you have 13 covers, you can respec when you get a 14th if it is in one of the colors you don't have maxed. You should eventually aim for 3/5/5. If you are already 4/5/4, wait for the last black you need. 4 purple is worse than both 3 and 5 purple, so you may want to temporarily bump it to 5 if it is taking too long to get the other covers.
The only issue I see with 3/5/5 is if you pair her with someone who is matching all of the black/blue/purple instead of her, you never get to use espionage anyway. For example, the current PvE has an upgraded Daken so black widow never makes a match. If that's the case, then you have to weigh the options of 5 purple covers potentially giving you more AP but also costing more AP to do so.
...but as it happens I think the AP steal is more effective at level 3 since you can start stealing sooner.
i have black widow originally currently as 3/3/0 and found another purple cover.
If i add this cover and level her up a few more times, and later change her skills to 3/5/5 to i have relevel her because i remove and add a cover? or can i keep her at the higher level?