**** Carnage (Cletus Kasady) ****

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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Yes, you take guys you don't mind dying into battle with carnage. I think that's kind of the point. But it's worth noting that as he levels up his black, your attacks get stronger while the enemy ones don't, so at higher levels you're going to be downing guys a lot faster than you take damage.

    Also, the green power is semi-useless without a board full of special tiles, so if you've only got green you're not going to be using it much.

    I don't like any characters that hurt my own team, but that's just personal taste. Otherwise I think this guy makes for a very interesting fight.

    One question though, has anyone else noticed, specifically on the carnage essential node, that sometimes if the goons create two tiles that his black power fires a third time for no reason? Pretty sure it's consistent, I'm watching pretty carefully.
  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    The best team against Carnage would likely be Falcon, Loki, Cage. Loki to steal, Falcon to buff those "free" tiles, Cage for his shield against those tiles. Should be interesting to face, yet also really annoying especially when he's gooned up feeding him greentile.png and ::gasp:: redtile.png
  • CaptainFreaky
    CaptainFreaky Posts: 451 Mover and Shaker
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    The best team against Carnage would likely be Falcon, Loki, Cage. Loki to steal, Falcon to buff those "free" tiles, Cage for his shield against those tiles. Should be interesting to face, yet also really annoying especially when he's gooned up feeding him greentile.png and ::gasp:: redtile.png

    Umm...except Loki can't steal attack tiles.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    The problem is, every time you steal tiles, you generate more. The best team might be PX and two pieces of cannon fodder, and try to stay invisible.
  • Megdar
    Megdar Posts: 133 Tile Toppler
    CaptainFreaky wrote:
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    The best team against Carnage would likely be Falcon, Loki, Cage. Loki to steal, Falcon to buff those "free" tiles, Cage for his shield against those tiles. Should be interesting to face, yet also really annoying especially when he's gooned up feeding him greentile.png and ::gasp:: redtile.png

    Umm...except Loki can't steal attack tiles.

    Carnage tile are Strike Tile and Loki steal them as Shield Tile. Attack Tile are the one that deal dmg every turn.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    Megdar wrote:
    CaptainFreaky wrote:
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    The best team against Carnage would likely be Falcon, Loki, Cage. Loki to steal, Falcon to buff those "free" tiles, Cage for his shield against those tiles. Should be interesting to face, yet also really annoying especially when he's gooned up feeding him greentile.png and ::gasp:: redtile.png

    Umm...except Loki can't steal attack tiles.

    Carnage tile are Strike Tile and Loki steal them as Shield Tile. Attack Tile are the one that deal dmg every turn.
    Alien Instincts - blacktile.png Passive
    (PASSIVE) Carnage's alien symbiote keeps him in a constant Frenzy! Whenever a power is fired, Carnage creates 2 friendly strength 47 Attack tiles and 2 enemy Strength 46 Attack tiles.


    You need to read it again. Carnage makes ATTACK tiles
  • Megdar
    Megdar Posts: 133 Tile Toppler
    fmftint wrote:
    Megdar wrote:
    CaptainFreaky wrote:
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    The best team against Carnage would likely be Falcon, Loki, Cage. Loki to steal, Falcon to buff those "free" tiles, Cage for his shield against those tiles. Should be interesting to face, yet also really annoying especially when he's gooned up feeding him greentile.png and ::gasp:: redtile.png

    Umm...except Loki can't steal attack tiles.

    Carnage tile are Strike Tile and Loki steal them as Shield Tile. Attack Tile are the one that deal dmg every turn.
    Alien Instincts - blacktile.png Passive
    (PASSIVE) Carnage's alien symbiote keeps him in a constant Frenzy! Whenever a power is fired, Carnage creates 2 friendly strength 47 Attack tiles and 2 enemy Strength 46 Attack tiles.


    You need to read it again. Carnage makes ATTACK tiles

    Hooo ****, I'm the idiot, then it is even worst then I thought icon_e_sad.gif My bad...
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Has anyone tried using him with Doc Ock yet? Doc's also the reward in the Spiderman PVP, unfortunately top 5 for manipulation.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    Megdar wrote:
    Carnage tile are Strike Tile
    Ought to be a rule that before giving playtips, someone has to actually have used the character...
  • CaptainFreaky
    CaptainFreaky Posts: 451 Mover and Shaker
    Yeah - maybe an anti-carnage team (using 3*) might be Cage/Draken/Groot. It's even rainbow.

    icon_lukecage.png Cage helps mitigate the attack tiles a bit. He can also stun Carnage a bit with his black and hit him hard on Yellow.
    icon_daken.png Draken heals from attack damage and makes strike tiles to strengthen the friendly attack tiles.
    icon_rocket.png Groot heals and also makes big strike tiles to boost the friendly attack tiles.

    I suppose you could sub in Blade for Draken or Groot, but he doesn't heal. Or use Doc Ock and hope you get lucky.

    About the only downside is that you don't have an active red and you'll probably be needing to take red AP once in a while to deny it from Carnage.

    Still Carnage is a beast and I agree with a previous poster that he's so screwed up his only real use is as a scarecrow on PVP defense. I will not be using him, as much on principle as anything else.
  • NighteyesGrisu
    NighteyesGrisu Posts: 563 Critical Contributor
    His passive really does look massively annoying no matter what team he's on. Thankfully I don't need anything from prodigal sun or I'd be annoyed that I already applied the black cover... at one black the damage done is symmetric. Maybe if I used him with cage so his red cancels the hostile attack tiles.

    I imagine he'll be a massive scarecrow in PVP when maxed, but for that you'd have to actually win a match with him first.
  • NighteyesGrisu
    NighteyesGrisu Posts: 563 Critical Contributor
    CaptainFreaky wrote:
    Yeah - maybe an anti-carnage team (using 3*) might be Cage/Draken/Groot. It's even rainbow.

    icon_lukecage.png Cage helps mitigate the attack tiles a bit. He can also stun Carnage a bit with his black and hit him hard on Yellow.
    icon_daken.png Draken heals from attack damage and makes strike tiles to strengthen the friendly attack tiles.
    icon_rocket.png Groot heals and also makes big strike tiles to boost the friendly attack tiles.

    I suppose you could sub in Blade for Draken or Groot, but he doesn't heal. Or use Doc Ock and hope you get lucky.

    About the only downside is that you don't have an active red and you'll probably be needing to take red AP once in a while to deny it from Carnage.

    Still Carnage is a beast and I agree with a previous poster that he's so screwed up his only real use is as a scarecrow on PVP defense. I will not be using him, as much on principle as anything else.

    or go all-out suicidal and use patch with him icon_e_smile.gif
  • BillyBobJoe
    BillyBobJoe Posts: 103 Tile Toppler
    Why all the negativity on Carnage? He definitely needs to be used in a specific way. I can think of one other character like that: Patch.

    On my two->three * transition, I hated Patch. Only because I couldn't play him properly. You need to have a Hulk or Loki to make him less of problem for your team. I didn't have that. Today you have Daredevil & SheHulk to pair with him as well.

    That said, Carnage plays the same way, but nowadays, you have a ton of characters to mitigate the damage to your team. You have shields; Prof X, Cage, cMags, Falcon, etc....you have tile manipulators; SheHulk, Moonstone, Doc Ock, etc....you have healers, specifically Kamala Khan.

    I know people want the "next big thing" with Carnage, but instead he's a niche character that has to be played a certain way. I for one give the devs credit on this character because you actually have think tactics with him, and he's not just a bulldozer for higher end play.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    BillyBobJoe wrote:
    Why all the negativity on Carnage? He definitely needs to be used in a specific way. I can think of one other character like that: Patch
    You can control Patch. With Carnage, you can't control the attack tile spam, particular vs. Goons. And healers and stealers can't keep up. I used Daredevil on the PvE essential, and even after hitting his purple several times, and matching away as many enemy attacks as possible, by the end of the match, they were still doing over 1k damage per turn. I'll give them credit for doing something different, but he can be really, really awful to use.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    This thread is tired. If you don't like Carnage, don't use Carnage. If you know how to play Carnage, then do. There are many character combinations that will work. There is a lot of fun to be had, but don't act like you're being forced to use this character. You are not.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    Vertigozooropa wrote:
    don't act like you're being forced to use this character. You are not.
    Umm yeah, we are. As the title of this thread suggests, we're talking about the PvE essential node.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    I think the best option would be take true healers, patch, daken, Groot, and hope they come out alive to prologue heal
  • CaptainFreaky
    CaptainFreaky Posts: 451 Mover and Shaker
    BillyBobJoe wrote:
    Why all the negativity on Carnage? He definitely needs to be used in a specific way. I can think of one other character like that: Patch.

    On my two->three * transition, I hated Patch. Only because I couldn't play him properly. You need to have a Hulk or Loki to make him less of problem for your team. I didn't have that. Today you have Daredevil & SheHulk to pair with him as well.

    That said, Carnage plays the same way, but nowadays, you have a ton of characters to mitigate the damage to your team. You have shields; Prof X, Cage, cMags, Falcon, etc....you have tile manipulators; SheHulk, Moonstone, Doc Ock, etc....you have healers, specifically Kamala Khan.

    I know people want the "next big thing" with Carnage, but instead he's a niche character that has to be played a certain way. I for one give the devs credit on this character because you actually have think tactics with him, and he's not just a bulldozer for higher end play.


    Carnage's game mechanics are just bonkers - and yes I get it that's his defining characteristic in the comics as well. He's the bastard child of Juggernaut and Sentry, and he will be almost as annoying to use as he will be to go against. Actually, he might be more annoying to use than to face. I could see fighting him by doing nothing but firing Magneto or Falcon protect tiles and just letting Carnage slowly kill himself and his team.

    Patch is way more controllable. Before I had Loki properly constructed I used to use Patch all the time but I would be careful where the pink/purple tiles were when Patch went berserk so I could match as many of them away as quickly as possible. But Carnage? He generally just wrecks your team every time he's used (even with KK or Cage or the rest). I suppose there's some strategy on when to fire abilities with him on your team, sort of like how you need to consider the negative consequences of RotP, but in a far worse way.

    So, yes, whoever designed him did a good job of capturing his flavor, and I'm fine that he exists. I just won't be using him myself.
  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    The best team against Carnage would likely be Falcon, Loki, Cage. Loki to steal, Falcon to buff those "free" tiles, Cage for his shield against those tiles. Should be interesting to face, yet also really annoying especially when he's gooned up feeding him greentile.png and ::gasp:: redtile.png

    Ahhhh I keep forgetting about that! I remember when I first took Loki in against some ninjas and well.. I had to play them again. Agreed that Moonstone would likely be the better option.
  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    CaptainFreaky wrote:
    BillyBobJoe wrote:
    Why all the negativity on Carnage? He definitely needs to be used in a specific way. I can think of one other character like that: Patch.

    On my two->three * transition, I hated Patch. Only because I couldn't play him properly. You need to have a Hulk or Loki to make him less of problem for your team. I didn't have that. Today you have Daredevil & SheHulk to pair with him as well.

    That said, Carnage plays the same way, but nowadays, you have a ton of characters to mitigate the damage to your team. You have shields; Prof X, Cage, cMags, Falcon, etc....you have tile manipulators; SheHulk, Moonstone, Doc Ock, etc....you have healers, specifically Kamala Khan.

    I know people want the "next big thing" with Carnage, but instead he's a niche character that has to be played a certain way. I for one give the devs credit on this character because you actually have think tactics with him, and he's not just a bulldozer for higher end play.


    Carnage's game mechanics are just bonkers - and yes I get it that's his defining characteristic in the comics as well. He's the bastard child of Juggernaut and Sentry, and he will be almost as annoying to use as he will be to go against. Actually, he might be more annoying to use than to face. I could see fighting him by doing nothing but firing Magneto or Falcon protect tiles and just letting Carnage slowly kill himself and his team.

    Patch is way more controllable. Before I had Loki properly constructed I used to use Patch all the time but I would be careful where the pink/purple tiles were when Patch went berserk so I could match as many of them away as quickly as possible. But Carnage? He generally just wrecks your team every time he's used (even with KK or Cage or the rest). I suppose there's some strategy on when to fire abilities with him on your team, sort of like how you need to consider the negative consequences of RotP, but in a far worse way.

    So, yes, whoever designed him did a good job of capturing his flavor, and I'm fine that he exists. I just won't be using him myself.

    I use Patch with Hulk and Loki (sometimes substitute with Daken, DD or Moonstone) against the really tough teams I would not otherwise beat normally. I go into the fight knowing that I'll win but my characters will be near death. You can use the same approach with Carnage as well.

    Also when I first gained my Sentry prior to learning about the Hood combo, I use to take Sentry with just two randoms and sacrifice everyone. That will likely what Carnage will be good for. I am more afraid to versus him than use him.

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