Character Rankings May 2015 Edition: The Results!

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  • Ebolamonkey84
    Ebolamonkey84 Posts: 509 Critical Contributor
    evil panda wrote:
    I hope ebolamonkey doesn't take offense to this - I really appreciate his efforts on this, and regardless of the outcome these discussions are always a lot of fun. And the results are not your fault.

    I don't necessarily agree with who is in the t10 either, but that's how popularity contests work. I don't think there should be a clear and obvious top of the heap. Look what has happened in the past when there has been. Each character in the top 20 has some value and deserves a spot on someone's roster.
    But with that said...dear god this forum has gone insane. How about this - would anyone trade 5 fully maxed OBW's (#18) for a single maxed Hulkbuster? (#17)? Or Patch (top 10) for girly Thor (11)?? Who do you see more of in PvP, assuming buff independent? The top 10 or 11-20?

    Is there anyone playing this game where OBW was not essential to them at some point in their progression? I was debating even putting Hulkbuster in, as I knew lack of experience would cause him to be lower than he will inevitably end up.

    High end PVP is not the only way to play this game, and I think some of the ratings reflect that. PVE, Ultron, DDQ, availability, ability to conserve health packs. These are just a few other things that may have impacted people's votes.

    I also don't see how you can separate who you see in PVP from who is buffed that week, as in all of the weeks I've seen so far the top 2-3 buffed characters are in almost every line up. Next week would be interesting if it wasn't off season, as it is definitely the weakest line up so far.
  • TLCstormz
    TLCstormz Posts: 1,668
    udonomefoo wrote:
    I did a quick cut/paste job. Edited my post on page 1 for it so it's more visible.

    Thanks a lot, man! That's gonna simplify things for A LOT of people.

    icon_e_smile.gif
  • evil panda
    evil panda Posts: 419 Mover and Shaker
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    .
    But with that said...dear god this forum has gone insane. How about this - would anyone trade 5 fully maxed OBW's (#18) for a single maxed Hulkbuster? (#17)? Or Patch (top 10) for girly Thor (11)?? Who do you see more of in PvP, assuming buff independent? The top 10 or 11-20?

    Is there anyone playing this game where OBW was not essential to them at some point in their progression? I was debating even putting Hulkbuster in, as I knew lack of experience would cause him to be lower than he will inevitably end up.

    High end PVP is not the only way to play this game, and I think some of the ratings reflect that. PVE, Ultron, DDQ, availability, ability to conserve health packs. These are just a few other things that may have impacted people's votes.

    I also don't see how you can separate who you see in PVP from who is buffed that week, as in all of the weeks I've seen so far the top 2-3 buffed characters are in almost every line up. Next week would be interesting if it wasn't off season, as it is definitely the weakest line up so far.
    Fair point on PVP, but the rankings are still insane. Lcap and Blade are PVE superstars, and in that regard i don't have a problem with them being top 10. Unless they are 1-2. But what happened to Nick Fury, who went from #4 to #15 despite actually getting (health) buffed? Or BP? Or KK, who is going to end up 15+ places behind LThor despite being a character with comparable skills (not saying she's better, but the gulf isn't that wide)

    The reason I mention disregarding buffs is that you have to compare apples to apples when ranking.

    Finally, if this is a ranking of "who is most essential to the most players" then it makes a lot more sense, since 4* are a lot more inaccessible to voters. But I was hoping this would be a "who are the best characters" ranking.
  • Ebolamonkey84
    Ebolamonkey84 Posts: 509 Critical Contributor
    6-10 are up.
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    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    6-10 are up.

    Hi, thanks for doing this for the community.

    I do have a question though. Why not just post the full heat map and do the write ups as you have time?
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    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    6-10 are up.

    That leaves us Hood, Lazy Thor, Iron Fist, Professor X and Luke Cage for top 5.
    Who will be the new King? PX, IF?...maybe Lthor? icon_e_biggrin.gif
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    evil panda wrote:
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    .
    But with that said...dear god this forum has gone insane. How about this - would anyone trade 5 fully maxed OBW's (#18) for a single maxed Hulkbuster? (#17)? Or Patch (top 10) for girly Thor (11)?? Who do you see more of in PvP, assuming buff independent? The top 10 or 11-20?

    Is there anyone playing this game where OBW was not essential to them at some point in their progression? I was debating even putting Hulkbuster in, as I knew lack of experience would cause him to be lower than he will inevitably end up.

    High end PVP is not the only way to play this game, and I think some of the ratings reflect that. PVE, Ultron, DDQ, availability, ability to conserve health packs. These are just a few other things that may have impacted people's votes.

    I also don't see how you can separate who you see in PVP from who is buffed that week, as in all of the weeks I've seen so far the top 2-3 buffed characters are in almost every line up. Next week would be interesting if it wasn't off season, as it is definitely the weakest line up so far.
    Fair point on PVP, but the rankings are still insane. Lcap and Blade are PVE superstars, and in that regard i don't have a problem with them being top 10. Unless they are 1-2. But what happened to Nick Fury, who went from #4 to #15 despite actually getting (health) buffed? Or BP? Or KK, who is going to end up 15+ places behind LThor despite being a character with comparable skills (not saying she's better, but the gulf isn't that wide)

    The reason I mention disregarding buffs is that you have to compare apples to apples when ranking.

    Finally, if this is a ranking of "who is most essential to the most players" then it makes a lot more sense, since 4* are a lot more inaccessible to voters. But I was hoping this would be a "who are the best characters" ranking.

    The problem with Nick Fury is he's a "good" character when this game has characters that range from "Instant Kill Heroes with no weaknesses" to "Make yourself lose if you pick this hero". I mean, the good news about Nick Fury is he's 99.999999% not going to get nerfed anytime soon.

    Khan is underranked b/c people are sleeping on her.
    SoulReaper wrote:
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    6-10 are up.

    Hi, thanks for doing this for the community.

    I do have a question though. Why not just post the full heat map and do the write ups as you have time?

    So they can get karma and pageviews for their sponsors

    rossfoss wrote:
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    6-10 are up.

    That leaves us Hood, Lazy Thor, Iron Fist, Professor X and Luke Cage for top 5.
    Who will be the new King? PX, IF?...maybe Lthor? icon_e_biggrin.gif

    Luke Cage top 5? I think his rank'll go down once people realize what Cyclops/KK/etc. can do. Folks are probably ranking him for the fact that he hits hard, has big HP, and has a forever-protect tile. I mean Luke is good, but he's no Hulkbuster.

    Cyclops only 10? I'm guessing this is another case of 'people don't have his covers', because, even though he doesn't have AOE damage, his damage is pretty up there. He sets the new standard for 3* character(I'd say Iron Fist sets it, but I swear he's gonna get nerfed. Sorry Gamora.).

    Patch is about right.

    Blade I can see falling. I think he's popular(and for good reason, he's powerful at nearly any amount of covers and any level!). And with so many AP tricks being nerfed, he's one of the people who came out unscathed.

    3*Mag I'm unsure about. He's good, but I don't see folks really talking about how powerful/essential he is. I think he'll drop once Hulkbuster/Kamala punch their way thru. Maybe folks are reminiscing about how powerful he used to be?

    3*Cap I've already discussed(twice!) in this thread, no surprise to me.

    As for top 5, it's pretty clear cut with the exception of Luke. Luke needs to drop. Only like 2-5 spaces, though.
  • stowaway
    stowaway Posts: 501 Critical Contributor
    rossfoss wrote:
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    6-10 are up.

    That leaves us Hood, Lazy Thor, Iron Fist, Professor X and Luke Cage for top 5.
    Who will be the new King? PX, IF?...maybe Lthor? icon_e_biggrin.gif

    That's the top five I was more-or-less expecting. I'd like to see it go 1. Iron Fist, 2. Prof X, 3. Luke Cage, 4. LThor, 5. Hood.
    raisinbman wrote:
    Luke Cage top 5? I think his rank'll go down once people realize what Cyclops/KK/etc. can do. Folks are probably ranking him for the fact that he hits hard, has big HP, and has a forever-protect tile. I mean Luke is good, but he's no Hulkbuster.

    I rank Luke Cage top five not just because he's good, but because he's incredibly versatile. I don't think there's another character in the game with so many viable builds. I don't just want a duplicate Luke Cage on my roster, I wish I had three or four, each with a different build. 3/5/5 for pairing with LThor; 4/5/4 for dealing with spammers like Daken, Blade and Taisetsu (who he can both one-shot and stun in a single move); 5/3/5 for the massive damage.
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    stowaway wrote:
    rossfoss wrote:
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    6-10 are up.

    That leaves us Hood, Lazy Thor, Iron Fist, Professor X and Luke Cage for top 5.
    Who will be the new King? PX, IF?...maybe Lthor? icon_e_biggrin.gif

    That's the top five I was more-or-less expecting. I'd like to see it go 1. Iron Fist, 2. Prof X, 3. Luke Cage, 4. LThor, 5. Hood.
    raisinbman wrote:
    Luke Cage top 5? I think his rank'll go down once people realize what Cyclops/KK/etc. can do. Folks are probably ranking him for the fact that he hits hard, has big HP, and has a forever-protect tile. I mean Luke is good, but he's no Hulkbuster.

    I rank Luke Cage top five not just because he's good, but because he's incredibly versatile. I don't think there's another character in the game with so many viable builds. I don't just want a duplicate Luke Cage on my roster, I wish I had three or four, each with a different build. 3/5/5 for pairing with LThor; 4/5/4 for dealing with spammers like Daken, Blade and Taisetsu (who he can both one-shot and stun in a single move); 5/3/5 for the massive damage.
    I don't deny that, but Luke Cage isn't gonna keep his spot from Kamala or Hulkbuster. Or rather, he shouldn't. I'm not denying he's one of the most useful characters in MPQ, dangerous at any cover amount, any level.

    Hulkbuster/Cyclops/Kamala/Kingpin(Maybe Scarlet Witch) Should outrank him. As has been discussed, people are sleeping on these characters.

    I see Luke as 5-15th, not top 5.
  • stowaway
    stowaway Posts: 501 Critical Contributor
    I don't know about Kingpin or Cyclops as top five. Top Ten for sure. If Kamala or Hulkbuster are going to take someone's place in the Top Five, I'd vote The Hood down way before any of the others.
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    stowaway wrote:
    I don't know about Kingpin or Cyclops as top five. Top Ten for sure. If Kamala or Hulkbuster are going to take someone's place in the Top Five, I'd vote The Hood down way before any of the others.
    Hood is best support and useful on any team, so he's always going to be very high, top 5. Cyclops is single-target Thor. Kingpin I'm unsure about but he has immediate synergy with Scarlet witch, another underrated character(and the AI can even use the combo!).
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    stowaway wrote:
    I figured the new system would give a boost to certain 2* characters, but it's looking like OBW cracked the top 20?

    The one in December was the only time she didn't make the top 20. Before her nerf she was regularly top 10.
  • Arondite
    Arondite Posts: 1,188 Chairperson of the Boards
    raisinbman wrote:
    LCap is good. Someone comments this every character vote thread, so let's just squash it: LCap is good, and even if u don't think he is, everyone else does.
    No one's ever said he's not good. It's common knowledge he's not top 10 though.

    He's alot of people's most well covered character.

    If anything, this is a good explanation as to why his ranking could be misrespresented rather than appropriately ranked (due to more people having experience with him and not other characters). This is not a reason why he's good, only common.

    He's versatile and powerful.

    He has HP.

    ~~~~~~

    4*Thor is wayyy to high(above Black panther? rofl) when there's weekly buffs and Kingpin/Hulkbuster outperform her, not even touching on the 3* characters that outperform her. I think she's ranked with the worst 3* right now.

    4 Thor is actually underranked.

    Black Panther should be higher, but not by much.

    X*force I'm conflicted about. It seems folks haven't fallen into the trap of "HES NERFED HE SUXXXXXXXX" because now he's a PVE specialist with a still-powerful Black. I don't know where he'll end up.

    X Force is top 10, indisputably.

    Daken is about right...Hmm.

    Nick Fury, always the bridesmaid....I'd say he could be a little bit lower because of the potent 3*/4* that were ranked under him.

    Lower? He's ranked too low already.
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    Arondite, I agree. I just played the X-Force / Thorita combo again in PvE after what feels like a long time. And now, after the initial disappointment over the massive nerfs has subsided somewhat, I must say they are still good. Not nearly as good as they were, but Surgical Strike still one-shots plenty of opponents and Thorette's Smite (with some charging) still does massive damage.
  • jimstarooney
    jimstarooney Posts: 576 Critical Contributor
    stowaway wrote:
    I don't know about Kingpin or Cyclops as top five. Top Ten for sure. If Kamala or Hulkbuster are going to take someone's place in the Top Five, I'd vote The Hood down way before any of the others.
    Hood accelerates everybody thats why hes rated so high, hes a staple of every1s roster.troster.theres a good reason why he didnt get a health buff.
  • jimstarooney
    jimstarooney Posts: 576 Critical Contributor
    Arondite wrote:
    raisinbman wrote:
    LCap is good. Someone comments this every character vote thread, so let's just squash it: LCap is good, and even if u don't think he is, everyone else does.
    No one's ever said he's not good. It's common knowledge he's not top 10

    He's alot of people's most well covered character.

    If anything, this is a good explanation as to why his ranking could be misrespresented rather than appropriately ranked (due to more people having experience with him and not other characters). This is not a reason why he's good, only common.

    He's versatile and powerful.

    He has HP.

    ~~~~~~

    4*Thor is wayyy to high(above Black panther? rofl) when there's weekly buffs and Kingpin/Hulkbuster outperform her, not even touching on the 3* characters that outperform her. I think she's ranked with the worst 3* right now.

    4 Thor is actually underranked.

    Black Panther should be higher, but not by much.

    X*force I'm conflicted about. It seems folks haven't fallen into the trap of "HES NERFED HE SUXXXXXXXX" because now he's a PVE specialist with a still-powerful Black. I don't know where he'll end up.

    X Force is top 10, indisputably.

    Daken is about right...Hmm.

    Nick Fury, always the bridesmaid....I'd say he could be a little bit lower because of the potent 3*/4* that were ranked under him.

    Lower? He's ranked too low already.
    Demolition is like having a get out of jail free card
  • morph3us
    morph3us Posts: 859 Critical Contributor
    evil panda wrote:
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    .
    But with that said...dear god this forum has gone insane. How about this - would anyone trade 5 fully maxed OBW's (#18) for a single maxed Hulkbuster? (#17)? Or Patch (top 10) for girly Thor (11)?? Who do you see more of in PvP, assuming buff independent? The top 10 or 11-20?

    Is there anyone playing this game where OBW was not essential to them at some point in their progression? I was debating even putting Hulkbuster in, as I knew lack of experience would cause him to be lower than he will inevitably end up.

    High end PVP is not the only way to play this game, and I think some of the ratings reflect that. PVE, Ultron, DDQ, availability, ability to conserve health packs. These are just a few other things that may have impacted people's votes.

    I also don't see how you can separate who you see in PVP from who is buffed that week, as in all of the weeks I've seen so far the top 2-3 buffed characters are in almost every line up. Next week would be interesting if it wasn't off season, as it is definitely the weakest line up so far.
    Fair point on PVP, but the rankings are still insane. Lcap and Blade are PVE superstars, and in that regard i don't have a problem with them being top 10. Unless they are 1-2. But what happened to Nick Fury, who went from #4 to #15 despite actually getting (health) buffed? Or BP? Or KK, who is going to end up 15+ places behind LThor despite being a character with comparable skills (not saying she's better, but the gulf isn't that wide)

    The reason I mention disregarding buffs is that you have to compare apples to apples when ranking.

    Finally, if this is a ranking of "who is most essential to the most players" then it makes a lot more sense, since 4* are a lot more inaccessible to voters. But I was hoping this would be a "who are the best characters" ranking.

    Raisin is right in that the results as currently posted are the "People's Choices Awards," and are therefore of value pretty much only as evaluating the current meta across the entire player base. I would say that their value in assessing the value of certain 3*s vs 2*s and 4*s is pretty limited, because you're sampling across a very heterogeneous player base in terms of stage in the game.

    I strongly suspect that when EB posts the subgroup analysis by voter demographics (ie pre 3* players, and 3*+ players), the overall rankings will look more rational.
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    morph3us wrote:
    evil panda wrote:
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    .
    But with that said...dear god this forum has gone insane. How about this - would anyone trade 5 fully maxed OBW's (#18) for a single maxed Hulkbuster? (#17)? Or Patch (top 10) for girly Thor (11)?? Who do you see more of in PvP, assuming buff independent? The top 10 or 11-20?

    Is there anyone playing this game where OBW was not essential to them at some point in their progression? I was debating even putting Hulkbuster in, as I knew lack of experience would cause him to be lower than he will inevitably end up.

    High end PVP is not the only way to play this game, and I think some of the ratings reflect that. PVE, Ultron, DDQ, availability, ability to conserve health packs. These are just a few other things that may have impacted people's votes.

    I also don't see how you can separate who you see in PVP from who is buffed that week, as in all of the weeks I've seen so far the top 2-3 buffed characters are in almost every line up. Next week would be interesting if it wasn't off season, as it is definitely the weakest line up so far.
    Fair point on PVP, but the rankings are still insane. Lcap and Blade are PVE superstars, and in that regard i don't have a problem with them being top 10. Unless they are 1-2. But what happened to Nick Fury, who went from #4 to #15 despite actually getting (health) buffed? Or BP? Or KK, who is going to end up 15+ places behind LThor despite being a character with comparable skills (not saying she's better, but the gulf isn't that wide)

    The reason I mention disregarding buffs is that you have to compare apples to apples when ranking.

    Finally, if this is a ranking of "who is most essential to the most players" then it makes a lot more sense, since 4* are a lot more inaccessible to voters. But I was hoping this would be a "who are the best characters" ranking.

    Raisin is right in that the results as currently posted are the "People's Choices Awards," and are therefore of value pretty much only as evaluating the current meta across the entire player base. I would say that their value in assessing the value of certain 3*s vs 2*s and 4*s is pretty limited, because you're sampling across a very heterogeneous player base in terms of stage in the game.

    I strongly suspect that when EB posts the subgroup analysis by voter demographics (ie pre 3* players, and 3*+ players), the overall rankings will look more rational.
    even then, the sample size is tainted by only being what a small segment of players(players who regularly visit the forums) thinks. With the "most users on" being 562, it's pretty biased. Some players have fully admitted that they haven't taken part b/c they don't feel informed enough. I'm sure just as many haven't.

    Remembering things from Statistics is fun!
  • morph3us
    morph3us Posts: 859 Critical Contributor
    I'm also going to pitch in on the side of the Fury is underrated camp. There are only three characters in the game who can potentially one shot a high health opponent: X-Force, IMHB, and Fury. Cyclops comes close too. High single target damage becomes more important the more you progress through the game due to scaling.

    Secondly, Fury's yellow is hard to assess unless you actually have him, since the posted stats in game don't tell you the damage output. Also, the flexibility of AA doesn't become apparent until you play it yourself in PvE.
  • Cymmina
    Cymmina Posts: 413 Mover and Shaker
    jimstarooney wrote:
    stowaway wrote:
    I don't know about Kingpin or Cyclops as top five. Top Ten for sure. If Kamala or Hulkbuster are going to take someone's place in the Top Five, I'd vote The Hood down way before any of the others.
    Hood accelerates everybody thats why hes rated so high, hes a staple of every1s roster.troster.theres a good reason why he didnt get a health buff.

    Personally, I don't feel like Hood is top 5 (but I can certainly see why the others are). He's my only fully covered 3* character (5/4/4). With only 4 blue covers, he just sits around being useless. I'd rather have OBW or Loki on my team if I'm needing AP steal. Twin Pistols seems rather lackluster compared to Righteous Uppercut, and Intimidation is pretty lol compared to Jab Jab Cross (is it even good if you use characters that use count down timers?). Hell, I don't even have Luke Cage even close to max covered (5/2/2) and I still think he is the better character.

    Maybe my opinion will change if I ever get that last blue cover for Hood and have some of those other top tier characters to pair with him.

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