simonsez wrote: Are you using Hood or Loki? Otherwise, this is a little hard to figure. The AI doesn't hoard AP, and a 9AP repulsor punch does 5k and change... ie way less damage per AP than Carnage's red. Does that mean Carnage is super-duper obscenely OP? How much damage per AP should HB be doing? Less than characters like Cyclops, Deadpool and Khan? Because as it is, he's not any better.
over_clocked wrote: Excuse me, what?? Elektra and Carnage are both specialized and both shine in their niches. Elektra and IW are both PvE stars. To call Goddess worse than Fury, XF, Thing and Carnage is just beyond imagination. Yeah she's been nerfed hard; she's still the most powerful 4* (not the fastest or the scariest for PvP, admittedly), easily running circles around Hulkbuster, XF, Thing, Fury or Carnage, only PX even comes close when you need damage out of thin air without hurting your own team.
over_clocked wrote: she's still the most powerful 4* (not the fastest or the scariest for PvP, admittedly), easily running circles around Hulkbuster, XF, Thing, Fury or Carnage, only PX even comes close when you need damage out of thin air without hurting your own team.
over_clocked wrote: Well if I keep the enemy team stunned, no, it doesn't I admit that HB is better than Goddess for fast speed PvP; but she's much more sustainable for climbing or for PvE grinding especially when HB is built 5/5/3, and her power potential is nigh unlimited. You try doing 60k damage with unboosted HB and see how much health he has after that, and then do the same with unboosted Goddess.
over_clocked wrote: fast speed PvP
over_clocked wrote: There's climbing PvP... PvP where you hit progressions early and leave at that (not shielding yet). PvP where you aren't high enough to attract all kind of attacks. In Carnage PvP my Carnage was, like many others', tiny and quite useless; I took on Scarpooch's max-cover Carnage team with my Fistbuster, promptly wiped. Switched to Hulkbuster/PX, tried again. Won with huge losses. Then found Gipsy Danger's max level Carnage, went in with Goddess/Loki just for kicks, won with _no_ damage taken. HB: Goddess: That's from Growth Industry, the 4th node. My scaling is quite high, has hit level 250~ for that node. Again, Hulkbuster cannot pull damage out of his bu... out of thin air. Goddess can, in increasing volumes. What's not to like? She's clearly more powerful than Hulkbuster in my eyes.
raisinbman wrote: so because u field 4*thor u aren't attacked and they would attack u if u had hulkbuster.....not sure if I buy that but I don't 4* either way so.... why are u using prof x/hulkbust/carnage? ofc you're gonna take dmg
simonsez wrote: raisinbman wrote: so because u field 4*thor u aren't attacked and they would attack u if u had hulkbuster.....not sure if I buy that but I don't 4* either way so.... why are u using prof x/hulkbust/carnage? ofc you're gonna take dmg I like how you type "u" and "dmg" and "ofc" so your words take up less space, after needlessly quoting a page and a half of screenshots...
raisinbman wrote: so because u field 4*thor u aren't attacked and they would attack u if u had hulkbuster.....not sure if I buy that but I don't 4* either way so....
Der_Lex wrote: raisinbman wrote: so because u field 4*thor u aren't attacked and they would attack u if u had hulkbuster.....not sure if I buy that but I don't 4* either way so.... No, that's not what she's saying at all. She's saying that on offense, her Thoress-based teams take a lot less damage than her HB-based teams, because even though Thoress isn't as fast as HB, the fact that she has no self-damaging abilities and has a fantastic stun help to keep the amount of damage taken a lot lower. During hops at 1000 points and beyond you're probably going to want HB's speed, but on the climb to get there, Thoress can be a bigger asset.
raisinbman wrote: Der_Lex wrote: raisinbman wrote: so because u field 4*thor u aren't attacked and they would attack u if u had hulkbuster.....not sure if I buy that but I don't 4* either way so.... No, that's not what she's saying at all. She's saying that on offense, her Thoress-based teams take a lot less damage than her HB-based teams, because even though Thoress isn't as fast as HB, the fact that she has no self-damaging abilities and has a fantastic stun help to keep the amount of damage taken a lot lower. During hops at 1000 points and beyond you're probably going to want HB's speed, but on the climb to get there, Thoress can be a bigger asset. ok, thx for the explanation. So thor being "safer" doesn't really mean much, but I guess that's why there's random 250+ xforce in PVP as well
Der_Lex wrote: raisinbman wrote: Der_Lex wrote: raisinbman wrote: so because u field 4*thor u aren't attacked and they would attack u if u had hulkbuster.....not sure if I buy that but I don't 4* either way so.... No, that's not what she's saying at all. She's saying that on offense, her Thoress-based teams take a lot less damage than her HB-based teams, because even though Thoress isn't as fast as HB, the fact that she has no self-damaging abilities and has a fantastic stun help to keep the amount of damage taken a lot lower. During hops at 1000 points and beyond you're probably going to want HB's speed, but on the climb to get there, Thoress can be a bigger asset. ok, thx for the explanation. So thor being "safer" doesn't really mean much, but I guess that's why there's random 250+ xforce in PVP as well It means that you can do a longer prolonged climb than you could with HB, because it takes longer for you to run out of health packs. Safety from enemy attacks doesn't really matter: up until about 900-1000 points people tend to look for easier targets than a team with just about any maxed 4* anyway, regardless of whether that's HB, Thoress, X or Carnage, and when you get high enough, people will take on any team if it's worth enough points. As for Xforce, he may not be the best character in the game that he once was, but his black is still one of the hardest hitting powers out there, even when he's not buffed. Xforce/Cyke is still one of my preferred teams to take out HB quickly (along with IF in shield sim), and I still use Xfist a lot during weeks where I don't have many of the buffed characters, or the ones I do have don't have enough synergy for my tastes.
mjh wrote: Does anyone know how much to level from the following? 70 > 200 200 > 250 250 > 270 - 75k
GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: This is a better link for the cumulative costs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1324351701