**** Iron Man (Hulkbuster) ****

Buret0

I have been having a much harder time with the team of PX, Fury, and GSBW in the Deadpool event.

By the time you take down PX, Fury has launched a demolition attack (assuming no unlucky match 5s to assist PX, in which case you are probably also dealing with PC special tiles).

He'll probably assemble the Avengers at least once before he goes down and you might need to deal with an Escape Plan CD tile.

Even with Loki in the party, it seemed impossible to deny GSBW her sniper rifle. I once had eight mischief tiles go off on the same turn while GSBW had 19 green AP and Loki didn't steal a single green AP, resulting in my having to retreat or be wiped out (Loki was all I had left... Demolition killed Luke Cage and a double Crit cascade followed by Pistol killed 3aken, and Loki's lack of attack was going to make downing GSBW reliant on leftover strike tiles and a team-up).

Hulkbuster has a ton of health, but I had way less problem taking his teams out than I have had with the PX/Fury/GSBW combo.

Funny though, the first time I fought them I cleared it without wiping. Then I wiped three times with two different teams before finally getting a lucky clear.

stowaway

There should be a moratorium on nerfs for a good long while. Any rebalancing should be to improve the lousy characters, including and especially the 3* version of Iron Man.

Buret0 wrote:

I have been having a much harder time with the team of PX, Fury, and GSBW in the Deadpool event.

Do you have Hood at five blue? That's a team where I've found that doubling up on AP steal is key, because you don't want anyone using powers until Prof X is gone (or preferably never). I used LThor, Hood, Loki. The only time I wiped was when a cascade gave them a match five, which led to the Professor's creepy face one-shotting Loki, and a whole lot of other trouble after that.

Buret0

stowaway wrote:

There should be a moratorium on nerfs for a good long while. Any rebalancing should be to improve the lousy characters, including and especially the 3* version of Iron Man.

Buret0 wrote:

I have been having a much harder time with the team of PX, Fury, and GSBW in the Deadpool event.

Do you have Hood at five blue? That's a team where I've found that doubling up on AP steal is key, because you don't want anyone using powers until Prof X is gone (or preferably never). I used LThor, Hood, Loki. The only time I wiped was when a cascade gave them a match five, which led to the Professor's creepy face one-shotting Loki, and a whole lot of other trouble after that.

Yeah, my Hood is 4/5/1 and level 120, so I could bring him in (I think 4/5/2 after the black cover in DDQ today). He's a bit squishy, so I need to make sure that whoever I'm bringing in is tanking at least two of his colors.

I actually made it through with a lower level team in the end. I used Cyclops (3/3/3 level 88), Gamora (boosted to 169), and KK. Gamora has 5 Red and 4 Black (still missing her Stooge Green). I had two Starlord "Everyone With Me" team-ups, so I thought I'd bring one in.

I used a couple of Gamora's red attacks early to get some health back while using the damage to down PX. I saved up Red and then used my black to make a bunch of Gamora strike tiles, and then my Starlord team-up to make Red cheaper.

Then I hit the other team with so much Razor's Edge.

Unknown

traedoril wrote:

I hate to request a character nerf but Hulkbuster is way Overpowered. I starved the AI of all red only to have a **** cascade that led to the ai getting both red and black ap. I am a 3* player and HB one shot two of my guys in two turns (first turn he cast red then black, second turn he cast red again). There should not be a character in game that can one shot a character at 80% and especially not one shot two different people in two turns. I realize all the top players are going to scream and complain when they nerf him but it has to be done. Everyone I face in the top rankings has a maxed one, and unless I pay to get one like they did, I nor anyone else cannot hope to compete.

Welcome to the participation trophy generation boys & girls.

Wonko33

traedoril wrote:

His black at 5 covers creates 9 Red and you have been lucky. I have had this happen several times.

who says you haven't been unlucky?

That's the problem with these posts , person gets his butt kicked then comes over requesting changes. Maybe you just got your butt kicked .

Justify their experience by saying someone elses is off the norm while in reality they are both anecdotal. He is better than most 4* but the jury is still out about him being Oped imo

TxMoose

stowaway wrote:

There should be a moratorium on nerfs for a good long while. Any rebalancing should be to improve the lousy characters, including and especially the 3* version of Iron Man.

Buret0 wrote:

I have been having a much harder time with the team of PX, Fury, and GSBW in the Deadpool event.

Do you have Hood at five blue? That's a team where I've found that doubling up on AP steal is key, because you don't want anyone using powers until Prof X is gone (or preferably never). I used LThor, Hood, Loki. The only time I wiped was when a cascade gave them a match five, which led to the Professor's creepy face one-shotting Loki, and a whole lot of other trouble after that.

this is exactly the team I've used all 4 times I've done the node. lthor/loki/hood. it is my absolute best team off my entire roster and my hood only has 4 blue, so yellow/black denial is manual. last run I left px go trying to complete cts (could have killed him with red, but wanted to save it), and a match-5 drops for him - I completed the match with thor at ~400 health. if they never get any abilities off (and you avoid a cascade), it almost doesn't matter the level. but short of bringing 2 ap deniers, that node scales really high (at 255 now) and without all 3 of those characters, not sure how I'd have done it (I have plugged in daken for hood before, but ap denial is more important than some damage from blue to me). thor is my only 166. loki at 142 and hood at 102 (to play behind others).

Wonko33

TxMoose wrote:

this is exactly the team I've used all 4 times I've done the node. lthor/loki/hood. it is my absolute best team off my entire roster and my hood only has 4 blue, so yellow/black denial is manual. last run I left px go trying to complete cts (could have killed him with red, but wanted to save it), and a match-5 drops for him - I completed the match with thor at ~400 health. if they never get any abilities off (and you avoid a cascade), it almost doesn't matter the level. but short of bringing 2 ap deniers, that node scales really high (at 255 now) and without all 3 of those characters, not sure how I'd have done it (I have plugged in daken for hood before, but ap denial is more important than some damage from blue to me). thor is my only 166. loki at 142 and hood at 102 (to play behind others).

My go to for AP denial is same but OBW for Loki, especially if she is boosted, I like that she can heal ( and is rainbow) but the tile shifting of Loki comes in handy too

LuciferianX

So. Hulkbuster.

Yeah. He's good. He's... shockingly good. Has a silly amount of HP. Has a power that creates shield tiles and wipes red off the board. Has another power that drains his AP, adds strike tiles, and fuels his big party trick (Repulsor Punch). Yes, assuming that HB has, say, 15 red in the tank and 5 red covers (and let's be honest... who wouldn't cover him at 5 red?) and 270, he does what, 680/red single target DD? So 680 * 15 = 10,200, which is enough to one-shot anything except maybe 4hor or another HB again, assuming some damage has been dealt already.

To the OPs post, the sequence could theoretically go like so:

1) Fire Repulsor Punch, deal 8k, down target in front
2) Activate Overcharge, gen 9 black
3) Fire Repulosor Punch, deal 6120, down weakened/thief class/non tank

Will that make your day miserable and have you screaming for a nerf? Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. Should he get one?

No. Absolutely not. There are plenty of combinations and deadly character blends out there. There's a hilarious slew of new support characters in what I refer to as the Rogue class (Purple/Green/Variable). You really want comedy, you put him, Scott, and Bullseye (Pervy 3) on the same team. Now match out anything in the way of your next red/black cascade with green, while dealing damage to your opponent in addition to the strike tiles from HBs Overcharge. I will be the first to agree that he's very, very good. But what would you nerf him too?

Reduce his punch damage? No point. After you break 600 all you've done is make the math slightly easier, he'll still utterly wreck anything in front of him and that would just be disappointing for people who want to field him (I don't have him close to max, by the way, mine is 1/0/3, so I can say this with a straight face). Reduce Overcharge? Again, no, it's a double edged sword doing its job extremely well. Reduce his shield? Nope. Both of his support powers exist to fuel his primary power. The "point" is that he has one attack (on Red), one sacrifice play (on black) and one support/defense play (blue). He works extremely well.

He's also a 4 star. And he can still only down one person at a time. You can stun him. You can steal. You can roll in with Spider-Man, Capt. Marvel & Scarlet Witch. Or Gammorra. Or 4hor. Legendary characters are nasty. You'll get owned and scream tinykitty at the top of your lungs. But it isn't enough to call for a nerf. Losing is frustrating. But he is beatable.

TxMoose

Wonko33 wrote:

TxMoose wrote:

this is exactly the team I've used all 4 times I've done the node. lthor/loki/hood. it is my absolute best team off my entire roster and my hood only has 4 blue, so yellow/black denial is manual. last run I left px go trying to complete cts (could have killed him with red, but wanted to save it), and a match-5 drops for him - I completed the match with thor at ~400 health. if they never get any abilities off (and you avoid a cascade), it almost doesn't matter the level. but short of bringing 2 ap deniers, that node scales really high (at 255 now) and without all 3 of those characters, not sure how I'd have done it (I have plugged in daken for hood before, but ap denial is more important than some damage from blue to me). thor is my only 166. loki at 142 and hood at 102 (to play behind others).

My go to for AP denial is same but OBW for Loki, especially if she is boosted, I like that she can heal ( and is rainbow) but the tile shifting of Loki comes in handy too

if she's boosted, yes, for sure. but she's not now and once the opponents hit lvl 180 or so, her heal doesn't do enough to me. plus, if you're running her, you're matching purple. with loki and hood both, you don't worry, match your damage colors asap and those are just accelerated by the passive steals. don't get me wrong, the week she was boosted I played her over loki in pvp (I actually cycled through all 3) but was playing equal/lower opponents.

Unknown

Hulkbuster plays a lot like Thor 3*. He's not fair, but he's usually manageable. Just like Thor eventually took a small nerf of 5% HP (he didn't get any health increase like he's supposed to) I'd expect something similar to happen to him. Though with 4* generally being difficult to fit into teams in PvP, I don't think it's as urgent. He's not going to beat another decent boosted 4* unboosted, and if he's boosted he's supposed to be dominant even if it's a bit more dominant than he should be.

evil panda

in the Deadpool event, my Hulkbuster-led team lost to a DP/Beast team (i forgot the third) because of an infuriating cascade.

by OP logic, i say that Beast should be nerfed before Hulkbuster.

wymtime

Puertorico wrote:

Another Nerf plea??? If u want to take down a 4* use a 4*. Otherwise stick to playing the 3* teams u can beat. HB is not overpowered and doesnt need a Nerf. Maybe u had a bad board or AI had a ridiculous cascade, it happens to the best of us from time to time. But asking d3 to Nerf a character because u don't have it and can't beat us without it is a little selfish. Eventually another 4* will come and be better than HB. So fight for that character or use kp who can drain his ap, but don't beg for another Nerf the forums don't need another 10 rage quitting threads

I don't think they should Nerf HB, but the OP has a point. HB black at 5 covers for 11 black you get 2 strike tiles that total 700 and 9 red AP that will do almost 6K damage. 4Thor got merged becuase she spit out too many charge tiles which allowed smite to kill everyone, and hen reload quickly. HB can do the same thing for a small cost of 1500 health. If anything I though 4Thors blue had more balance in the fact that you each team could collect the charge tiles.

Also telling him to just fight 3* because he is not buying 4* covers and telling him to use KP is silly. The reality is with 3* buffs you can take down a lot of characters. There is less room for error especially when HB has a buff, and with the new point system in PVP comming for th next season it might be easier to hit 1000. This might help people get more 4* covers, but it won't change the fact that HB red and black are 2 of the best combos in the game. His is extremely powerful and has significant health so he is a great scare crow on defense.
I imagine you spent real money on HB if you are as upset with the OP, but I would ask you this would you have spent that money on HB if he was not as good as he is? If at level 5 black he only generated 5AP? If th answer is no then you at proving that the OP is right and HB is th new broken character and will centrally get hit with the Nerf Bat.

Unknown

HB is honestly not that big of a deal even with a moderately powered team composition. 11 black unless fed or very lucky takes time to acquire, ask anyone who uses XF. The AI usually plays stupid so you know it's not prioritizing colors. You can't cry nerf because of bad luck or everyone would have 100 hp and do 1 damage. Even then a bad cascade will get you. He's a 4* and 4* characters are supposed to shine. If I paid $100 just for covers and he didn't I would he pissed (a la 4hor.) Just take a deep breath and remember your teams have probably gotten super lucky and wiped a team on defense.

Unknown

Its a **** bro. Nobody agree with you for sure. Why people like you, always sayin just nerf everything? I just can not understand the way of your thinking. Just because you dont have HB? So its not fair the character is very strong which you dont have? Dont do that bro. HB IS EVEN 4*. Its absolutely fair that HB is strong than 3*. 270lv has to contain something more benefit. Even now, i think 4* merits are not that enough.

Why sayin nerf? 4*>3* is the fair way. I really hope dont sayin nerf without any understanding of 4* please.

Unknown

Then its gonna be fair right?

Just nerf every 4* and 3* equally as 1* or 2*. Just go. Do it.

Whats the merits of 4*? Why we should try to efforts and put money to have 4*? What do you people who always sayin nerf4* think, 4*?

There should be merits of 4* always. Got it?

Unknown

Phantron wrote:

Hulkbuster plays a lot like Thor 3*. He's not fair, but he's usually manageable. Just like Thor eventually took a small nerf of 5% HP (he didn't get any health increase like he's supposed to) I'd expect something similar to happen to him. Though with 4* generally being difficult to fit into teams in PvP, I don't think it's as urgent. He's not going to beat another decent boosted 4* unboosted, and if he's boosted he's supposed to be dominant even if it's a bit more dominant than he should be.

It's hard to tell if Hulkbuster is unfair because of IF, or just that IF continues to be the 4* of 3*. I think if IFoKL was changed then Hulkbuster wouldn't be quite as dominant. Without IF, stopping Hulkbuster from getting 11 black seems to be mostly manageable with Hood or Loki. If Hulkbuster is overnerfed in the next 6 months, I think it'll be the last major exodus of the vets; that might hold demiurge off on touching him for awhile.

Unknown

I agree that the 4*s should be better than the 3*s. How much better should they be though? If you take Hulkbuster and have his black give him 5 red at 5 covers that seems reasonable. His black actually fully replenishes his red. Thor's yellow at 5 covers only gives half of his green, and they are placed on the board not just given freely. I am suggesting a small change. His blue which everyone has at 3 covers, changes 5 green board ap to red that is fine. I can plan for that usually. Does any other character in game give themselves a free ability by using another? I recognize those of you who paid for his covers are wishing you could negative vote me right now but seriously think about his powers and how you use them. Is that really even remotely balanced?

On a side note, I like the way HB Red and Ares green work and I hope that we get more powers where with a little patience we can blow up that hard to kill buffed guy.

Malcrof

traedoril wrote:

I agree that the 4*s should be better than the 3*s. How much better should they be though? If you take Hulkbuster and have his black give him 5 red at 5 covers that seems reasonable. His black actually fully replenishes his red. Thor's yellow at 5 covers only gives half of his green, and they are placed on the board not just given freely. I am suggesting a small change. His blue which everyone has at 3 covers, changes 5 green board ap to red that is fine. I can plan for that usually. Does any other character in game give themselves a free ability by using another? I recognize those of you who paid for his covers are wishing you could negative vote me right now but seriously think about his powers and how you use them. Is that really even remotely balanced?

On a side note, I like the way HB Red and Ares green work and I hope that we get more powers where with a little patience we can blow up that hard to kill buffed guy.

I have had Thor's yellow create ungodly cascades and win me matches with just the one power fired...

Luck plays quite a bit into this game.. The pro/con discussion can go on forever.

Puertorico

wymtime wrote:

Puertorico wrote:

Another Nerf plea??? If u want to take down a 4* use a 4*. Otherwise stick to playing the 3* teams u can beat. HB is not overpowered and doesnt need a Nerf. Maybe u had a bad board or AI had a ridiculous cascade, it happens to the best of us from time to time. But asking d3 to Nerf a character because u don't have it and can't beat us without it is a little selfish. Eventually another 4* will come and be better than HB. So fight for that character or use kp who can drain his ap, but don't beg for another Nerf the forums don't need another 10 rage quitting threads

Also telling him to just fight 3* because he is not buying 4* covers and telling him to use KP is silly. The reality is with 3* buffs you can take down a lot of characters.


There is less room for error especially when HB has a buff, and with the new point system in PVP comming for th next season it might be easier to hit 1000. This might help people get more 4* covers, but it won't change the fact that HB red and black are 2 of the best combos in the game. His is extremely powerful and has significant health so he is a great scare crow on defense.
I imagine you spent real money on HB if you are as upset with the OP, but I would ask you this would you have spent that money on HB if he was not as good as he is? If at level 5 black he only generated 5AP? If th answer is no then you at proving that the OP is right and HB is th new broken character and will centrally get hit with the Nerf Bat.

You don't need HB to take down HB. How is telling him to use kp silly? Kp has 15k+ health yellow at 5 does 10k+ damage purple at 5 will drain HB red ap and gain yellow ap. I use kp and elektra a lot I don't rely on one character for me to win a match.



Yes I did spend real money on HB I maxed him the day he was released in packs the same way I did with kp dp kk etc etc etc. Is kp op? The next 4* could be worse than iw and I will still max that character. I don't max characters because I think they are strong I max characters because that's the point of the game. Collect covers put ISO in to those characters. What's the point of playing if you don't intend to collect and max all characters? A wise man once told me, "you can't be the best Pokemon trainer if you don't catch 'em all."

TheOncomingStorm

Phantron wrote:

Hulkbuster plays a lot like Thor 3*. He's not fair, but he's usually manageable. Just like Thor eventually took a small nerf of 5% HP (he didn't get any health increase like he's supposed to) I'd expect something similar to happen to him. Though with 4* generally being difficult to fit into teams in PvP, I don't think it's as urgent. He's not going to beat another decent boosted 4* unboosted, and if he's boosted he's supposed to be dominant even if it's a bit more dominant than he should be.

Nothing needs to happen to HB, he already had the same thing happen to him as LT. HB exists in a weekly buffed world with higher non-buffed health characters. If HB gets enough red, you got a decision to make: which character do you let take the hit? Do let the one with lots of health take it to preserve the lives of other characters, or do you let a lower health one take it to preserve the health of your higher health character?

If you are bringing 3 characters that can all be one punched by HB, then that's a tactical error on the player's part. The days of having a goto line up regardless of who is buffed is pretty much over. Just like PVE, you should pick the line up that gives you the best chance of defeating the team you are playing. If I'm playing HB, I'm probably using different characters than if I'm playing Hood or BP.