*** Quicksilver (Pietro Maximoff) ***

Dauthi

Phaserhawk wrote:

Of all the 3*'s, no QS is not sitting at the head of the table, that's for Sentry with Rags sitting on his right hand side and Iron-Man on his left. You have Spidey and Psylocke there too, but for me Sentry/Rags/IM40 are in the worst places right now with Spidey swinging around.

QS offers just enough potential and trickery that he's semi usable but not great. He's suppose to be quick low costed damage, instead he's slow low costed damage

Yeah, I agree he isn't great. I just think that bad is a bit harsh. Besides people that are clearly worse than him (all the folks you mentioned), there are those are around his level. Hulk for instance only serves one purpose, to get hit to trigger anger. Colossus isn't particularly good. Gamora is perhaps more viable than QS, but certainly not up there with the top tiers. Doc oc only serves a specific function, and beasts buffs only made him usable (compared to prebuff uselessness)

Considering how many other characters are at his level or below, calling him bagsilver is kind of over-dramatic, especially if you take a look at bagman's abilities (or baglady prebuffs). Like I initially stated, there have been quite a few top tier characters released and everyone is expecting all new characters to be at that level.

Lerysh wrote:

Psylocke isn't necessarily BAD, she's just not GOOD under the current meta. In a world where IF exists, 6 black for an attack tile and like 1500 damage is junk. And there are other different quick hitters to pair with Patch now. One of my favorite teams ever is still Patch/Psylocke/Daken tho.

Yes there is worse than her, but there is better than her too. If you can only pick one of the last 5 characters to actually ISO max, then it's obviously Iron Fist right now.

But you don't have to pick just 5 characters to max, you can max and use them all. In fact that is what D3 wants, and is promoting with weekly buffs. If you are a new player and are deciding where to place your ISO first, yes definitely opt for the top tiers, but afterwards leveling mid tier like psylocke/QS is the best strategy because they are still strong when buffed.

raisinbman wrote:

for someone to be bad, that doesn't mean there aren't people worse than her.

Ah I see, so your rankings are good, bad, and really bad. Sounds the same as mid tier to me, but I guess this means we agree then.

No, my perspective isn't limited. I have limited ISO and HP, and Quicksilver won't be receiving them anytime soon.

This isn't the situation for veterans.

No they can't all be top tiers, but I expect 3* to compete with 3*. Especially when Luke Cage is Psylocke 2.0.

What is Psylocke's "function" since she's outdated and Luke Cage runs circles around her?

What about when Luke is dead and you are out of health packs, or when Psylocke is buffed to 240? Again this is from a veteran's perspective though, so I can see where your view differs.

Additionally, you still haven't proven your original point of why we shouldn't compare him to fellow 3*, or hell, certain 2*. Quicksilver doesn't live in a vacuum.

Because that wasn't my point. Yeah, he is worse than top tier characters, but so are a lot of characters. That was my point.

OzarkBoatswain

For what it's worth I voted 3/5/5 in the poll, but after using him it's obviously 5/3/5.

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Dauthi wrote:

Phaserhawk wrote:

Of all the 3*'s, no QS is not sitting at the head of the table, that's for Sentry with Rags sitting on his right hand side and Iron-Man on his left. You have Spidey and Psylocke there too, but for me Sentry/Rags/IM40 are in the worst places right now with Spidey swinging around.

QS offers just enough potential and trickery that he's semi usable but not great. He's suppose to be quick low costed damage, instead he's slow low costed damage

Yeah, I agree he isn't great. I just think that bad is a bit harsh. Besides people that are clearly worse than him (all the folks you mentioned), there are those are around his level. Hulk for instance only serves one purpose, to get hit to trigger anger. Colossus isn't particularly good. Gamora is perhaps more viable than QS, but certainly not up there with the top tiers. Doc oc only serves a specific function, and beasts buffs only made him usable (compared to prebuff uselessness)

Considering how many other characters are at his level or below, calling him bagsilver is kind of over-dramatic, especially if you take a look at bagman's abilities (or baglady prebuffs). Like I initially stated, there have been quite a few top tier characters released and everyone is expecting all new characters to be at that level.

Lerysh wrote:

Psylocke isn't necessarily BAD, she's just not GOOD under the current meta. In a world where IF exists, 6 black for an attack tile and like 1500 damage is junk. And there are other different quick hitters to pair with Patch now. One of my favorite teams ever is still Patch/Psylocke/Daken tho.

Yes there is worse than her, but there is better than her too. If you can only pick one of the last 5 characters to actually ISO max, then it's obviously Iron Fist right now.

But you don't have to pick just 5 characters to max, you can max and use them all. In fact that is what D3 wants, and is promoting with weekly buffs. If you are a new player and are deciding where to place your ISO first, yes definitely opt for the top tiers, but afterwards leveling mid tier like psylocke/QS is the best strategy because they are still strong when buffed.

raisinbman wrote:

for someone to be bad, that doesn't mean there aren't people worse than her.

Ah I see, so your rankings are good, bad, and really bad. Sounds the same as mid tier to me, but I guess this means we agree then.

No, my perspective isn't limited. I have limited ISO and HP, and Quicksilver won't be receiving them anytime soon.

This isn't the situation for veterans.

No they can't all be top tiers, but I expect 3* to compete with 3*. Especially when Luke Cage is Psylocke 2.0.

What is Psylocke's "function" since she's outdated and Luke Cage runs circles around her?

What about when Luke is dead and you are out of health packs, or when Psylocke is buffed to 240? Again this is from a veteran's perspective though, so I can see where your view differs.

Additionally, you still haven't proven your original point of why we shouldn't compare him to fellow 3*, or hell, certain 2*. Quicksilver doesn't live in a vacuum.

Because that wasn't my point. Yeah, he is worse than top tier characters, but so are a lot of characters. That was my point.

veterans are a minority. Most of us are 2*players or 2/3* transition and so I write for the biggest audience, the biggest PERSPECTIVE. as I'm sure you know veterans can fend for themselves.

My rankings are "Are you sustainable, worth ISO/Time/HP, and serve a clear purpose?" and "Do you need to be reworked badly or are just middle of the train?"

And yes, there are top tier characters, and there are nontop tier characters. Much like when folks bemoaned comparing everything to x-force surgical strike. This game don't exist in a vacuum and especially when there are obvious routes that take WAYYYY less effort to victory, there's no reason to look elsewhere.

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If you pay quicksilver with doom .. I think it's gonna be a rather good combo .. Creating blues with doom.. Hmmm

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haxxor wrote:

If you pay quicksilver with doom .. I think it's gonna be a rather good combo .. Creating blues with doom.. Hmmm

But Doom creates black tiles.

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haxxor wrote:

If you pay quicksilver with doom .. I think it's gonna be a rather good combo .. Creating blues with doom.. Hmmm

What?

Dauthi

raisinbman wrote:

veterans are a minority. Most of us are 2*players or 2/3* transition and so I write for the biggest audience, the biggest PERSPECTIVE. as I'm sure you know veterans can fend for themselves.

My rankings are "Are you sustainable, worth ISO/Time/HP, and serve a clear purpose?" and "Do you need to be reworked badly or are just middle of the train?"

And yes, there are top tier characters, and there are nontop tier characters. Much like when folks bemoaned comparing everything to x-force surgical strike. This game don't exist in a vacuum and especially when there are obvious routes that take WAYYYY less effort to victory, there's no reason to look elsewhere.

Veterans are a minority, but everyone will end up as one eventually if they continue to play. Even a 2* should have short term/long term goals though. Focusing on leveling up the top tiers is a short term, while deciding what mid tier 3*s to level afterwards (then 4*s) is long term. You may think Psylocke is bad, but I guarantee you will level her up eventually, and before many other characters too. All 2*s should know that she isn't bad, she is actually a great second stringer for many characters.

haxxor wrote:

If you pay quicksilver with doom .. I think it's gonna be a rather good combo .. Creating blues with doom.. Hmmm

Maybe Rags, but his blue creation is pretty poor.

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Dauthi wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

veterans are a minority. Most of us are 2*players or 2/3* transition and so I write for the biggest audience, the biggest PERSPECTIVE. as I'm sure you know veterans can fend for themselves.

My rankings are "Are you sustainable, worth ISO/Time/HP, and serve a clear purpose?" and "Do you need to be reworked badly or are just middle of the train?"

And yes, there are top tier characters, and there are nontop tier characters. Much like when folks bemoaned comparing everything to x-force surgical strike. This game don't exist in a vacuum and especially when there are obvious routes that take WAYYYY less effort to victory, there's no reason to look elsewhere.

Veterans are a minority, but everyone will end up as one eventually if they continue to play. Even a 2* should have short term/long term goals though. Focusing on leveling up the top tiers is a short term, while deciding what mid tier 3*s to level afterwards (then 4*s) is long term. You may think Psylocke is bad, but I guarantee you will level her up eventually, and before many other characters too. All 2*s should know that she isn't bad, she is actually a great second stringer for many characters.

haxxor wrote:

If you pay quicksilver with doom .. I think it's gonna be a rather good combo .. Creating blues with doom.. Hmmm

Maybe Rags, but his blue creation is pretty poor.

No such thing as a long term goal when D3 changes things every 5 seconds

how can I possibly think of being a veteran when I need endless iso and can't even reliably get 4* covers?

Lol, you guarantee I will level Psylocke? You're not even telling me the secret character combo she's good in where she's actually worth something. Hint: there is a good Psylocke formation.

All 2* players should know she's mediocre so they don't have the misfortune of leveling her as opposed to someone good.

I'm not the perfect player. I leveled Spidey when I was a noob knowing nothing about him and how bad he was. I leveled Hood first without realizing he was squish as ****.

It's my duty to guide other players from the mistakes I made

Dauthi

raisinbman wrote:

Lol, you guarantee I will level Psylocke? You're not even telling me the secret character combo she's good in where she's actually worth something. Hint: there is a good Psylocke formation.

Oh, I did from the start.

Dauthi wrote:

I would consider her and quicksilver mid tier. They are perfectly viable, and with quick activating abilities that don't shake the board, they pair great with strike tile champs.

Who drops the best strike tiles? It doesn't necessarily have to be Patch, I use her with daken and blade too. My quicksilver is fairly well covered and this composition worked well for him too, even better. I would say he is Pyslocke 2.0, green gives decent damage plus a crit tile that may auto match for bonus damage activating strikes a second time. Black does damage and you get to switch around tiles creating two more matches plus any cascades letting you triple up on that strike damage (or more for cascades).

All 2* players should know she's mediocre so they don't have the misfortune of leveling her as opposed to someone good.

I agree, she is mediocre, not bad. It would be equally bad if they leveled Rags instead of Psylocke thinking that they are equally bad. Rags is near unusable, while Psylocke can serve a purpose. With the HP buffs I think characters with quick activation abilities got a lot stronger because you are now almost guaranteed to get hit by all of their abilities. While it only stings, it is virtually unavoidable and can add up if the battle isn't quick enough.

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Punisher and Psylocke seem pretty close to me, they are both below avarage but not beast/oct/rags level, so if are they you have, they will you use. I cant see why not use a 2* over beast/oct/rags, but I can see a transitoner doing well with punisher or psylocke. Its all about luck on pulls and on event rewards to get the best characters (or the covers you need).

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ShionSinX wrote:

Punisher and Psylocke seem pretty close to me, they are both below avarage but not beast/oct/rags level, so if are they you have, they will you use. I cant see why not use a 2* over beast/oct/rags, but I can see a transitoner doing well with punisher or psylocke. Its all about luck on pulls and on event rewards to get the best characters (or the covers you need).

Punisher's red, cheap accross the board abilities and board shake gives him a use psylocke doesn't have

Dauthi wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

Lol, you guarantee I will level Psylocke? You're not even telling me the secret character combo she's good in where she's actually worth something. Hint: there is a good Psylocke formation.

Oh, I did from the start.

Dauthi wrote:

I would consider her and quicksilver mid tier. They are perfectly viable, and with quick activating abilities that don't shake the board, they pair great with strike tile champs.

Who drops the best strike tiles? It doesn't necessarily have to be Patch, I use her with daken and blade too. My quicksilver is fairly well covered and this composition worked well for him too, even better. I would say he is Pyslocke 2.0, green gives decent damage plus a crit tile that may auto match for bonus damage activating strikes a second time. Black does damage and you get to switch around tiles creating two more matches plus any cascades letting you triple up on that strike damage (or more for cascades).

All 2* players should know she's mediocre so they don't have the misfortune of leveling her as opposed to someone good.

I agree, she is mediocre, not bad. It would be equally bad if they leveled Rags instead of Psylocke thinking that they are equally bad. Rags is near unusable, while Psylocke can serve a purpose. With the HP buffs I think characters with quick activation abilities got a lot stronger because you are now almost guaranteed to get hit by all of their abilities. While it only stings, it is virtually unavoidable and can add up if the battle isn't quick enough.

That combo isn't the one I was talking about and doesn't make me excited. I'd much rather have Strike Team on deck than that team.

Rags has a formation he possibly could be powerful in

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FYI, in the Ultron event whenever I play a Quicksilver node I've been pairing him with CMags and Loki. The combination of board-shaking abilities plus the ability to drop crit tiles and swap tiles has allowed me to dish out some very long combos.

Marc_Spector

Budapest1980 wrote:

FYI, in the Ultron event whenever I play a Quicksilver node I've been pairing him with CMags and Loki. The combination of board-shaking abilities plus the ability to drop crit tiles and swap tiles has allowed me to dish out some very long combos.

Thanks!! I tried that yesterday -- it was surprisingly fast and effective.
The most fun I've had with Quicksilver so far, actually.

dkffiv

I ran QS cmag SG. Round 8 mag nearly died early from meltdowns, by the end mag + qs were in 3 digit health.

laughingMAN

I was pairing him with Fury. A lot of time time you could manufacture 4 or 5 matches that blew up multiple trap tiles.

Unknown

welp, in seeing the avengers its pretty obvious now why the made Quicksilver suck

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Now that QS isn't an essential character in events anymore, nobody is going to play him. The nerf completely destroyed him, his damage is a joke, even when he was buffed in round 1 Ultron (Level 130 for me, with 3-4 covers on each color), my 2* Magneto (Level 69) was doing way more damage... sad. Only useful ability is his black (but expensive), his green sucks, and his blue prevents you from doing good tile matches a lot and the damage for all the effort is **** too.

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Master025 wrote:

Now that QS isn't an essential character in events anymore, nobody is going to play him. The nerf completely destroyed him, his damage is a joke, even when he was buffed in round 1 Ultron (Level 130 for me, with 3-4 covers on each color), my 2* Magneto (Level 69) was doing way more damage... sad. Only useful ability is his black (but expensive), his green sucks, and his blue prevents you from doing good tile matches a lot and the damage for all the effort is **** too.

I did use him on my low level PvE nodes with 2* Thor and Hawkeye. His black is not bad in this scenario. Of course, that makes him essentially a 2*, which is where the level of his powers lie basically.

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Lerysh wrote:

Master025 wrote:

Now that QS isn't an essential character in events anymore, nobody is going to play him. The nerf completely destroyed him, his damage is a joke, even when he was buffed in round 1 Ultron (Level 130 for me, with 3-4 covers on each color), my 2* Magneto (Level 69) was doing way more damage... sad. Only useful ability is his black (but expensive), his green sucks, and his blue prevents you from doing good tile matches a lot and the damage for all the effort is **** too.

I did use him on my low level PvE nodes with 2* Thor and Hawkeye. His black is not bad in this scenario. Of course, that makes him essentially a 2*, which is where the level of his powers lie basically.

Not fast enough for low level nodes, i clear those nodes in the first turns with a strike tile team. The only op ability before the nerf was his and now his is even worse than 1* Hawkeye imho.

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Master025 wrote:

Lerysh wrote:

Master025 wrote:

Now that QS isn't an essential character in events anymore, nobody is going to play him. The nerf completely destroyed him, his damage is a joke, even when he was buffed in round 1 Ultron (Level 130 for me, with 3-4 covers on each color), my 2* Magneto (Level 69) was doing way more damage... sad. Only useful ability is his black (but expensive), his green sucks, and his blue prevents you from doing good tile matches a lot and the damage for all the effort is **** too.

I did use him on my low level PvE nodes with 2* Thor and Hawkeye. His black is not bad in this scenario. Of course, that makes him essentially a 2*, which is where the level of his powers lie basically.

Not fast enough for low level nodes, i clear those nodes in the first turns with a strike tile team. The only op ability before the nerf was his and now his is even worse than 1* Hawkeye imho.

well, 1*Hawkeye and Bagsilver both have places on instant kill/infinite teams, so I'd say they're about even