*** Quicksilver (Pietro Maximoff) ***

MarvelMan

Mawtful wrote:

A root cause analysis has determined this to be a PEBKAC issue.

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I heard it was an I D 10 T error.

dkffiv

Mawtful wrote:

scottee wrote:

In the damage to AP ratios, you forget to include that the ai can make blue matches too. He's actually a strong blue counter pick.

I think this is a fair enough assessment, and should be addressed. If both teams make a blue match each turn, then QS will detonate the locked tiles on the player's 3rd turn; a minimum of 3 matches or 9 AP for the purposes of determining a ratio. That actually brings it in at an impressive 718 damage per ap, which is approximately halfway between Call the Storm and Embiggened Bash.

I agree that he's a strong blue counter pick, but we're yet to see how important countering blue is for the new metagame.
Despite the changes to XFW, black and green are still the two strongest colours, and countering them is usually going to be a smart play. Damaging your opponent for matching blue would have been a huge counter to Thor4, but her changes have diminished her relevance for now. There are some possible contenders that could make Blue significant - Magneto, Fury and IW come to mind. Quicksilver counters both Magneto and IW fairly well, so if either of them rise significantly in the coming weeks then we'll know where Pietro fits.

He still seems terrible. If the tiles were indestructible maybe but when I used him I destroyed half the locked tiles with match 4s and when playing against him in the simulator I would just match some of them to defuse him. Killed him second without it ever going off even after making a lot of blue matches.

Mawtful

dkffiv wrote:

He still seems terrible. If the tiles were indestructible maybe but when I used him I destroyed half the locked tiles with match 4s and when playing against him in the simulator I would just match some of them to defuse him. Killed him second without it ever going off even after making a lot of blue matches.

Yeah, he's not great. I'd be interested in running him alongside Loki - to make it so that using match 4's to take out locked tiles has some risk to it. Of course, then you're stuck dangerously close to running a fairly squishy team with no real source of damage.

ballingbees

I'm getting blown about 4 out of 5 times so far, its worse with zerker tiles out there. And every 'supersonic' animation is dragging out the game even longer. To the effect that I'm thinking of dropping my 0/5/2 QS for the loaner, I feel more secure without his blue, even if it means being down to 2vs3.

I thought the idea of buffed heroes is to showcase his skillset. I was suitably impressed by Gamora last event to bring her all the way from 40 to 166, never mind the upcoming discount, and it was a blast playing her. I'm having a blast playing QS, to the face that is.

Unknown

ballingbees wrote:

I'm getting blown about 4 out of 5 times so far, its worse with zerker tiles out there. And every 'supersonic' animation is dragging out the game even longer. To the effect that I'm thinking of dropping my 0/5/2 QS for the loaner, I feel more secure without his blue, even if it means being down to 2vs3.

I thought the idea of buffed heroes is to showcase his OR HER skillset. I was suitably impressed by Gamora last event to bring her all the way from 40 to 166, never mind the upcoming discount, and it was a blast playing her. I'm having a blast playing QS, to the face that is.

u were impressed by gamora but not quicksilver? now I've seen everything....

Mawtful

raisinbman wrote:

ballingbees wrote:

I'm getting blown about 4 out of 5 times so far, its worse with zerker tiles out there. And every 'supersonic' animation is dragging out the game even longer. To the effect that I'm thinking of dropping my 0/5/2 QS for the loaner, I feel more secure without his blue, even if it means being down to 2vs3.

I thought the idea of buffed heroes is to showcase his OR HER skillset. I was suitably impressed by Gamora last event to bring her all the way from 40 to 166, never mind the upcoming discount, and it was a blast playing her. I'm having a blast playing QS, to the face that is.

u were impressed by gamora but not quicksilver? now I've seen everything....

Hey now, with a 5 AP attack, Gamora is faster unbuffed than Quicksilver at his fastest - that's pretty impressive.

Khanwulf

ballingbees wrote:

I'm getting blown about 4 out of 5 times so far, its worse with zerker tiles out there. And every 'supersonic' animation is dragging out the game even longer. To the effect that I'm thinking of dropping my 0/5/2 QS for the loaner, I feel more secure without his blue, even if it means being down to 2vs3.

I thought the idea of buffed heroes is to showcase his skillset. I was suitably impressed by Gamora last event to bring her all the way from 40 to 166, never mind the upcoming discount, and it was a blast playing her. I'm having a blast playing QS, to the face that is.

Amen to this. I have a lot of heroes that are sub-par, but only QS makes me grit my teeth and wish I could not use him. After enduring him blocking my careful minion tile management, now the deck is stacked in the PVP match. Nice.

Oh, and a bug: if your Fists of Fury critical tile lands on a locked teamup? It makes the locked teamup vanish while giving you a scroll of "critical hit" and doing no damage. Nice. Bugged character as well as working against your team.

I can see his potential, but the lack of control makes him a real problem, and there has to be better ways to implement "speed". Countdown tiles that stun everyone except him (extra turn, in essence), teamup trap tiles--anything!

--Khanwulf

ballingbees

raisinbman wrote:

ballingbees wrote:

I'm getting blown about 4 out of 5 times so far, its worse with zerker tiles out there. And every 'supersonic' animation is dragging out the game even longer. To the effect that I'm thinking of dropping my 0/5/2 QS for the loaner, I feel more secure without his blue, even if it means being down to 2vs3.

I thought the idea of buffed heroes is to showcase his OR HER skillset. I was suitably impressed by Gamora last event to bring her all the way from 40 to 166, never mind the upcoming discount, and it was a blast playing her. I'm having a blast playing QS, to the face that is.

u were impressed by gamora but not quicksilver? now I've seen everything....

You should see how iFist gets Bad Rep out by turn3, and that attack tile is dealing around 2k extra damage every single turn. It helped me take down any 270 team out there in a hurry. Think it only works on Gamora buffed events. My QS managed to screw up the same team for me in this event though

Unknown

ballingbees wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

ballingbees wrote:

I'm getting blown about 4 out of 5 times so far, its worse with zerker tiles out there. And every 'supersonic' animation is dragging out the game even longer. To the effect that I'm thinking of dropping my 0/5/2 QS for the loaner, I feel more secure without his blue, even if it means being down to 2vs3.

I thought the idea of buffed heroes is to showcase his OR HER skillset. I was suitably impressed by Gamora last event to bring her all the way from 40 to 166, never mind the upcoming discount, and it was a blast playing her. I'm having a blast playing QS, to the face that is.

u were impressed by gamora but not quicksilver? now I've seen everything....

You should see how iFist gets Bad Rep out by turn3, and that attack tile is dealing around 2k extra damage every single turn. It helped me take down any 270 team out there in a hurry. Think it only works on Gamora buffed events. My QS managed to screw up the same team for me in this event though

I'd rather see Iron Fist get out Nightstalker or Rage of the Panther or Surgical Strike or Kingpin's power or Full Blast or Summon Demons or Luke Cage or Loki or Mystique or Psylocke or Punisher or Quicksilver or Storm or Bullseye or Ms. Marvel or Juggernaut's hidden ability.

ballingbees

raisinbman wrote:

I'd rather see Iron Fist get out Nightstalker or Rage of the Panther or Surgical Strike or Kingpin's power or Full Blast or Summon Demons or Luke Cage or Loki or Mystique or Psylocke or Punisher or Quicksilver or Storm or Bullseye or Ms. Marvel or Juggernaut's hidden ability.

Hmm fair point. I did rely on Bad Rep to reach 1k pts last event, I'll have to reserve judgement on Jugg's hidden ability until I see it. Though at least its still better than Intimidation or Fastball.

Unknown

He's the rare kind of bad where having him around is actually worse than having nobody in his place

puppychow

This is exactly why I've been pairing my QS with my 100+ IW for this event. The thread of AI triggering constant aoe explosions on your team is no joke. I use IW's blue ability to place tiles when I see a blue match available in order to trigger the explosion on the enemy team first, and have blue protect tiles on the board to reduce the damage to my team from the same.

Unknown

raisinbman wrote:

ballingbees wrote:

I'm getting blown about 4 out of 5 times so far, its worse with zerker tiles out there. And every 'supersonic' animation is dragging out the game even longer. To the effect that I'm thinking of dropping my 0/5/2 QS for the loaner, I feel more secure without his blue, even if it means being down to 2vs3.

I thought the idea of buffed heroes is to showcase his OR HER skillset. I was suitably impressed by Gamora last event to bring her all the way from 40 to 166, never mind the upcoming discount, and it was a blast playing her. I'm having a blast playing QS, to the face that is.

u were impressed by gamora but not quicksilver? now I've seen everything....

This is funny because I never gave two tinykitties for her, but leveled it up to 94 (164 buffed) and she hid behind a 166 Patch + 140 LDaken and it was my best score on PvP so far, just shoting from behind and tearing every low HP team I found along the way.

Unknown

He's designed perfectly, as in the comics he's so annoying not even prof x bothers to proc on his abilities

Square

He's hitting me four out of five times, to the point that he gets the stun now because I'm sick of it. Broken mechanic.

Unknown

Square wrote:

He's hitting me four out of five times, to the point that he gets the stun now because I'm sick of it. Broken mechanic.

Unknown

And what happened to the trap tiles detonating possibly causing cascades. That would have made him a decent character.

JD Geek

My only issue is on cascades. When you get more than one blue match, all of yours go first. Then all of the AI. In a cascade that almost always means the AI gets it.

Unknown

Ya, back on page 1 IceIX said his blue would cause cascades. I guess this was removed when they pre-nerfed his other abilities. They just wanted to make sure no one would ever want to use him I guess.

Nonce Equitaur 2

It took me awhile to figure out how to use Quicksilver. I have a high MMR, so most of my opposing teams are level 270 monsters.

Quicksilver -- Iron Fist -- Professor X ---- strongest team in the game if you use boosts.

1. Standard Operating Procedure: Take any Match 5's when they occur.
2. Get a purple match for 5 . Collect more if it's easy.
3. Use Iron Fist of K'un-Lun to add 9 .
4. Collect 11 , or less if you've done some blue matches.
5. Swap tiles to set up or do a Match 5. (1653 damage)
6. Do the Match 5 (4000+ damage and generates 4 AP if Quicksilver set up right)
7. Do blue matches when appropriate to make Idle Hands cheaper, or to blow up the locked tiles.
8. Use powers 5 , 7 , 8 , 11- over and over.

The engine gets going pretty quickly, allowing a series of 5-matches. Meanwhile, Xavier is is marking up the board with special tiles.

In one game, I was able to take out Thor4+XForce before they even had a chance to make their first move.