GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: darkmagearcanis wrote: Everyone, please read this before you sell mags and everyone that was nerfed! Expect each of them to be in the Heroic event coming up. How else are you going to test all of the changes against high level opponents? One, even if you're kidding, I'm expecting a Ragnarok PvP soon. It's been a while and pretty sure other characters that were updated had their run shortly after. I'm waiting to sell my Rags until after the inevitable. Overall, while I agree with most of your points, I'm selling Rags and Mags for sure, and will probably keep the other 3. I'm also keeping every Mags cover between now and sale end. HP is the hardest resource to acquire, so having a short term Iso->HP battery is not something I plan on passing up, especially for characters I barely use to begin with.
darkmagearcanis wrote: Everyone, please read this before you sell mags and everyone that was nerfed! Expect each of them to be in the Heroic event coming up. How else are you going to test all of the changes against high level opponents?
Phaserhawk wrote: if we start to get more Rag like characters who create charged tiles, then 4hor's Smite may be getting stronger in the near future.
Phaserhawk wrote: I think it's safe to say that an X-Force nerf will be coming down the pipeline probably sooner rather than later, but if we start to get more Rag like characters who create charged tiles, then 4hor's Smite may be getting stronger in the near future.
GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: Random sidenote/history question: Is Rags the first character to be addressed twice?
TheRealJRad wrote: Well, at least MNMags opens up a new slot for me. No reason to keep him now.
JCTthe3rd81 wrote: I would like everyone to please keep in mind, these changes are still over a week away. If we, the players, present our arguments in a well reasoned, logical, polite manner, D3 will be more likely to listen. There is still plenty of time for them to make changes. Complaining, fussin', and cussin' will only get a person so far. I understand that people are upset, and understand why. I also agree with a lot of what has been said. (not all, but quite a bit of it). Having never used Mysty Mags combo, I'm not in a position to comment on that one. But the Mags C.Storm combo helped me immensely back when I was in 2* land. In fact, I've used it once or twice in the DDQ. This will really hurt 2* players. As for Iron Fist, I personally think that one is okay. Some players, (not all, but some) are just upset because it came with no warning. As soon as it was decided he needed a rework, which was probably around, or maybe just before, his release, there could have been an announcement saying something like: "We at D3 will be looking at IF over the next week to see how his purple affects game play. Any changes we decide to make will be announced soon. Thank you". Had something like that been done, half the complaints about him would not even exist. As for Thorette..... this is one that I'm not sure about. I tend to agree with most others, it should be around 8 charge tiles. 12 is too many, 5 is too few. Split the difference and round down to 8. Everyone's happy. Unless there was a very good reason behind making it so low. Like for example, a new upcoming character . Let's just call him Remy for the sake of time. . Let's say Remy has a charge tile ability as well. If he makes a bunch, and was used with Thorette, they could really do some damage. Maybe dropping Thorette's charge tiles down to 5 was D3's way of getting ready for old Remy to join the party. Now, on Ragnarok. Players have been asking for 2 power characters to get a 3rd ability. It may not be one they like, but it's something. IMO, they didn't nerf or buff him, they just made Ragnarok a completely different character than what he was. How good or bad he is will be better determined after I've had a chance to get his blue and use him. Then I'll decide. Which is another problem completely. What happens when Juggs, Venom, and Bullseye get 3rd abilities? With out powerful characters and combos, how are we supposed to combat 300+ level opponents? PvE will become literally impossible. They are hard enough to defeat as is. After these changes, how do we stand against 350 Juggs, 350 Ares, 350 Daken? Now, suggestion for the Devs: Maybe someone at D3 could use the QA server and set up a match like this. Use all characters as they will be after these changes and put yourself against 350 Ares, Juggs, and Daken. And no cheating by giving yourself anything you want. Use the characters the way you would if you were a regular player.
Polares wrote: Right now I am starting to think that they have deliberately stolen from us, at least in the 4hor case. Nerfing the ability from 12 to 5 ? **** ? There is no way in the world that they should have not known that she was going to do 12000 hps with the combo, and now, after this nerf she just can do 7000 after spending 19AP !!! They are completly stupid or this was made on purpose, to make people buy 4hor covers and then nerf her into oblivion. And remember a 4* cover is more or less 15$ !!! If there was a mistake made, she should have been nerfed right away, not after 4 months, when A LOT of people has spend money into her. And she is not breaking the game the same way Spidey, CMags or Sentry did, she was really good but she did not breake the game. I don't know If there are any lawyer in this forum, but I am starting to think that maybe we need one PS: Maybe we should contact Marvel and explain to them how these people is using their franchises to rip money from people. PS: Did I say that I am very upset?
Phillipes wrote: @ Polares: Im lawyer and I can tell you you would win for certain. Buying HPs is trade agreement between you and developers, there are some conditions, which both parties agrees upon. When they change something, they need to ask you if you agree with that. If you don´t you can cancel previous contract. This is precisely that thing. You bought something, contract was made. They change something that bothers you, you have right to get your money back. Simple as that. (I´m really sorry for my english, but I hope you have understood.)
raisinbman wrote: Now that I've had some time to think, I'm NEVER going to buy covers. And I will NEVER invest in just one character because they might nerf it. I will just level everyone equally. TheRealJRad wrote: Well, at least MNMags opens up a new slot for me. No reason to keep him now. Sad but true...I'm hoping maybe he'll have some synergy with new Rag but it's sad really.... This patch is so stupid....they nerfed everything without buffing anything. They ruined 3 characters. JCTthe3rd81 wrote: I would like everyone to please keep in mind, these changes are still over a week away. If we, the players, present our arguments in a well reasoned, logical, polite manner, D3 will be more likely to listen. There is still plenty of time for them to make changes. Complaining, fussin', and cussin' will only get a person so far. I understand that people are upset, and understand why. I also agree with a lot of what has been said. (not all, but quite a bit of it). Having never used Mysty Mags combo, I'm not in a position to comment on that one. But the Mags C.Storm combo helped me immensely back when I was in 2* land. In fact, I've used it once or twice in the DDQ. This will really hurt 2* players. As for Iron Fist, I personally think that one is okay. Some players, (not all, but some) are just upset because it came with no warning. As soon as it was decided he needed a rework, which was probably around, or maybe just before, his release, there could have been an announcement saying something like: "We at D3 will be looking at IF over the next week to see how his purple affects game play. Any changes we decide to make will be announced soon. Thank you". Had something like that been done, half the complaints about him would not even exist. As for Thorette..... this is one that I'm not sure about. I tend to agree with most others, it should be around 8 charge tiles. 12 is too many, 5 is too few. Split the difference and round down to 8. Everyone's happy. Unless there was a very good reason behind making it so low. Like for example, a new upcoming character . Let's just call him Remy for the sake of time. . Let's say Remy has a charge tile ability as well. If he makes a bunch, and was used with Thorette, they could really do some damage. Maybe dropping Thorette's charge tiles down to 5 was D3's way of getting ready for old Remy to join the party. Now, on Ragnarok. Players have been asking for 2 power characters to get a 3rd ability. It may not be one they like, but it's something. IMO, they didn't nerf or buff him, they just made Ragnarok a completely different character than what he was. How good or bad he is will be better determined after I've had a chance to get his blue and use him. Then I'll decide. Which is another problem completely. What happens when Juggs, Venom, and Bullseye get 3rd abilities? With out powerful characters and combos, how are we supposed to combat 300+ level opponents? PvE will become literally impossible. They are hard enough to defeat as is. After these changes, how do we stand against 350 Juggs, 350 Ares, 350 Daken? Now, suggestion for the Devs: Maybe someone at D3 could use the QA server and set up a match like this. Use all characters as they will be after these changes and put yourself against 350 Ares, Juggs, and Daken. And no cheating by giving yourself anything you want. Use the characters the way you would if you were a regular player. Ok here's my polite complaint: -nerfing magneto for no reason hurts 2* players unbelievably, and now he's useless -new ragnarok sucks(is 'sucks' polite?) -4*Thor didn't need a nerf
GuntherBlobel wrote: [...] The secrecy surrounding the Devs awareness of and dislike of game breaking character combinations bewilders me.
Ben Grimm wrote: GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: Random sidenote/history question: Is Rags the first character to be addressed twice? Loki's been addressed twice. Black Panther, too.
GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: Phillipes wrote: @ Polares: Im lawyer and I can tell you you would win for certain. Buying HPs is trade agreement between you and developers, there are some conditions, which both parties agrees upon. When they change something, they need to ask you if you agree with that. If you don´t you can cancel previous contract. This is precisely that thing. You bought something, contract was made. They change something that bothers you, you have right to get your money back. Simple as that. (I´m really sorry for my english, but I hope you have understood.) I won't pretend to be a lawyer, but the thing you bought (HP's) didn't change. Covers are bought with virtual currency, not actual currency, even if you can convert actual to virtual. And I have no idea what laws there are about earning (rather than buying) virtual currency, but have to guess that trying to recoup HP earned from a PvE event that was used to buy a virtual cover isn't something that a judge is going to want contested in an actual court.
NorthernPolarity wrote: raisinbman wrote: Now that I've had some time to think, I'm NEVER going to buy covers. And I will NEVER invest in just one character because they might nerf it. I will just level everyone equally. TheRealJRad wrote: Well, at least MNMags opens up a new slot for me. No reason to keep him now. Sad but true...I'm hoping maybe he'll have some synergy with new Rag but it's sad really.... This patch is so stupid....they nerfed everything without buffing anything. They ruined 3 characters. JCTthe3rd81 wrote: I would like everyone to please keep in mind, these changes are still over a week away. If we, the players, present our arguments in a well reasoned, logical, polite manner, D3 will be more likely to listen. There is still plenty of time for them to make changes. Complaining, fussin', and cussin' will only get a person so far. I understand that people are upset, and understand why. I also agree with a lot of what has been said. (not all, but quite a bit of it). Having never used Mysty Mags combo, I'm not in a position to comment on that one. But the Mags C.Storm combo helped me immensely back when I was in 2* land. In fact, I've used it once or twice in the DDQ. This will really hurt 2* players. As for Iron Fist, I personally think that one is okay. Some players, (not all, but some) are just upset because it came with no warning. As soon as it was decided he needed a rework, which was probably around, or maybe just before, his release, there could have been an announcement saying something like: "We at D3 will be looking at IF over the next week to see how his purple affects game play. Any changes we decide to make will be announced soon. Thank you". Had something like that been done, half the complaints about him would not even exist. As for Thorette..... this is one that I'm not sure about. I tend to agree with most others, it should be around 8 charge tiles. 12 is too many, 5 is too few. Split the difference and round down to 8. Everyone's happy. Unless there was a very good reason behind making it so low. Like for example, a new upcoming character . Let's just call him Remy for the sake of time. . Let's say Remy has a charge tile ability as well. If he makes a bunch, and was used with Thorette, they could really do some damage. Maybe dropping Thorette's charge tiles down to 5 was D3's way of getting ready for old Remy to join the party. Now, on Ragnarok. Players have been asking for 2 power characters to get a 3rd ability. It may not be one they like, but it's something. IMO, they didn't nerf or buff him, they just made Ragnarok a completely different character than what he was. How good or bad he is will be better determined after I've had a chance to get his blue and use him. Then I'll decide. Which is another problem completely. What happens when Juggs, Venom, and Bullseye get 3rd abilities? With out powerful characters and combos, how are we supposed to combat 300+ level opponents? PvE will become literally impossible. They are hard enough to defeat as is. After these changes, how do we stand against 350 Juggs, 350 Ares, 350 Daken? Now, suggestion for the Devs: Maybe someone at D3 could use the QA server and set up a match like this. Use all characters as they will be after these changes and put yourself against 350 Ares, Juggs, and Daken. And no cheating by giving yourself anything you want. Use the characters the way you would if you were a regular player. Ok here's my polite complaint: -nerfing magneto for no reason hurts 2* players unbelievably, and now he's useless -new ragnarok sucks(is 'sucks' polite?) -4*Thor didn't need a nerf Real classy bro.