Thick As Thieves: Jan 26 - Feb 3

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It's a good thing they didn't introduce 8h countdowns in this. They might have made a technical error somewhere and completely screwed up an entire timeslice. People would be furious. The 3h countdowns prevented that, though.

squirrel1120

So many in my alliance had a very hard time with the c.mags/IM35/don node. There's a serious hard-spot in the event for 2* rosters relying on stormneto in that spot. I guess that's one place a more matured roster has the advantage for sure, because without boosting, Patch/Ldaken/Loki (the latter two of which are both under covered and under leveled, but at least loki has 5 black) were getting the node done pretty consistently. I had one loss when a major cascade just wiped patch out without a turn to let him hide behind Ldaken. Other than that, I'd have to healthpack Ldaken once in a while in the final clear stage because his health was low enough for mags nukes to take him out directly, or with one more match, or... because he lacks covers as mentioned and tends to choke himself to death more often than I'd like. Still better than TinyDaken on my roster tho, since at 114, he completely hides Loki at 95. In fact, this team is doing almost all the nodes just so I don't have to change characters out constantly. Saving the leveled goon only nodes for Lcap/IM40 as the exception.

bullseye/empirist/ares looks like it'll be the tougher one for those transitioners in this sub. If someone with a 2* roster figures out an easy combo for it, please post it up so I can help those with more fledgling rosters when they start to struggle with it as it scales.

I'm so glad they took the 4day sub down. That'd been a nightmare and I'm glad, even tho some managed to gain a slight advantage from it, that we won't have to be grinding 20 iso nodes down for that long.

Having yet to pick up even one FatThor yellow to date, i gotta say its the most annoying thing about having him as the essential. I'm gotten so used to his yellow leading into green when I played him through the transition, that I often catch myself matching yellow several times in a row and then remember I have no way to use it. At least he's beefy enough to take some hits and last through all the essentials. I had to h.pack him only once after running through the essentials on both subs.

lukewin

I did all but 1 essential and 1 trivial. So I did gain some points, but I am pretty sure other people did complete clears or multiple clears, putting me further behind. Sumilea, I'm in your bracket. Currently ranked 26, but bugs like this kill my desire to even try for Top 10, which was my goal. Top 5 is too nuts. When the sub disappeared, I sent off an email, first time doing so, before checking the forums. This sucks, but I think I called it in this post here, in the Upcoming PVE Mission Points Change.

http://www.d3pforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22217&start=220#p285713

... Probably too late to switch Thick as Thieves to an 8 hr, but one thing to note, did not have any bugs or outages or anything with 8 hr refreshes this PVE. Last PVE, there was a problem and that PVE had 3 hr refreshes. Coincidence? If it means that you'll switch Thick as Thieves to an 8 hr refresh, I think not. ...

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Sigh nevermind. This won't help.

Bowgentle

Scotland Yard only appeared for slice 1 though, right? Cause I've been looking for it the whole day in slice 2 and it wasn't there.

But yes, this should be cancelled.

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Worri wrote:

Sumilea wrote:

ark123 wrote:

Demiurge_Kevin wrote:

Hi all, yes, Scotland Yard ran early by mistake. We have hidden it and rescheduled it for when it is supposed to run. Nobody will lose any points they already gained in that sub-event. Sorry for the confusion.

Wait. so people in my bracket had access to more points than I did, and the nodes they hit will come back maxed when I get access to them?

So you guys just gave some people a bunch of points, right?

Yes they did. I got over 6K points to make up now as only did one node for 167 points in Scotland Yard sub. But such is life I guess I could risked doing a double/triple clear and been laughing!

Sum, the top 2 people in our bracket got 4701 and around 3000 from Scotland Yard. That is quite a lead when the scores should be 19-20k by doing every refresh. They jumped up by 25% almost.

I just saw this happen in the bracket I'm in as well, Scotland Yard was open when I started Anderson Inc but closed by the time I did each match once. I notice that the people who did do Scotland Yard before it closed have now shot ahead in the main event by at least 25% (I saw that the top 10 in Scotland Yard all had 3000+ points).

I hope there is still a way I can catch up later... cause there is no way I can get back and stay top 10 in the main with the points per match the way they are now. Iv been trying to play every 3hrs to max points, but that Scotland Yard mess up is a huge hit.

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lukewin wrote:

I did all but 1 essential and 1 trivial. So I did gain some points, but I am pretty sure other people did complete clears or multiple clears, putting me further behind. Sumilea, I'm in your bracket. Currently ranked 26, but bugs like this kill my desire to even try for Top 10, which was my goal.

I had a 3K lead over the current leader at the end of the first subs. I am currently 9.8K down. 2.5K of that is due to the fact they double cleared Anderson INC. So that is 10K they gained on me in those 2 hours and hence why I said I need to make up just over 6K. If they just bring the Scotland yard back with the same refresh timers as when they stopped it I be happy but I cannot see that happening so I lucked out by not taking advantage of the situation.

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Bowgentle wrote:

Scotland Yard only appeared for slice 1 though, right? Cause I've been looking for it the whole day in slice 2 and it wasn't there.

But yes, this should be cancelled.

Yes, it was up for over 2 hours in slice 1, allowing people points no one else can get now. If you grinded it before bed/work, you got a even bigger advantage we can't offset by optimal refreshes like normal.

So the scores in slice 1 arent legitimate at this point. Will be quite hard to make up points when there is nothing to make them up with.

Ebolamonkey84

Like Sumilea said, this will not be a big deal if the third sub comes back with the same refresh timers that it left with. If they come back full though, that is when you get the pitchforks and torches ready.

Scoregasms

Just curious since I'm not a veteran, but has something like this happened before? I have to assume so, what was done in the past? Did they correct the point totals?

I'm probably one of the few in the first slice that did do a full clear of Scotland Yard, but just one. I know at least a few folks did more than that. In my case, their lead isn't insurmountable (about 4K) with 4+ days left, but it definitely makes the climb/grind more difficult than it needs to be.

Why can't the points just be removed from those that did work on that erroneous sub (that includes me)?

sc0ville

Wow, I'm not in slice 1 and don't have to deal with the issue being described above, but if I did...

I would not be handling it as calmly as the people responding to this thread, my pitch fork would already be keenly sharpened and my torches would be slathered with pitch.

I assume everyone is just waiting for a formal response from D3 on how they'll adjust things to make it fair. I applaud your patience.

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sc0ville wrote:

I assume everyone is just waiting for a formal response from D3 on how they'll adjust things to make it fair. I applaud your patience.

I am just waiting to see what happens its easy to just pull the sub and stop making things worst. They got a couple of days to decided how they going to correct things so its remains a level playing field.

lukewin

I didn't realize off the bat, that it was a mistake that they were running 2 subs at the same time. I didn't think it'd be too big a problem, because there weren't that many nodes, compared to other PVEs that have 2 simultaneous subs. There being a lot of goon only nodes also alleviated my concerns. I did find it strange that there was a ridiculous amount of time that Scotland Yard was open, but I was still pretty tired / half asleep.

I finished #1 last PVE in my bracket, and figured I'd slow down for this one because it's a 4* and back to the 3hr refresh, so was only gonna go for Top 10. That's kinda out the window now, not because I can't make up the points, but bugs like this are demoralizing and takes away some drive. I happened to benefit this time, but with almost 5 days left in this event (slice 1), I might not be fortunate enough to be playing if more bugs take place.

orbitalint

Scoregasms wrote:

Just curious since I'm not a veteran, but has something like this happened before? I have to assume so, what was done in the past? Did they correct the point totals?

I'm probably one of the few in the first slice that did do a full clear of Scotland Yard, but just one. I know at least a few folks did more than that. In my case, their lead isn't insurmountable (about 4K) with 4+ days left, but it definitely makes the climb/grind more difficult than it needs to be.

Why can't the points just be removed from those that did work on that erroneous sub (that includes me)?

So, I can't remember them ever removing point totals. They've expanded reward structures to compensate, maybe given out a stray cover once (I can't remember for certain). I did a full clear on that thing too and benefited but it still doesn't seem remotely fair.

The issue with removing points is that you basically have to reset everyone's character health and healthpacks and do something to compensate the play time of players. People get cranky when you take something away that they put time into.

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orbitalint wrote:

Scoregasms wrote:

Just curious since I'm not a veteran, but has something like this happened before? I have to assume so, what was done in the past? Did they correct the point totals?

I'm probably one of the few in the first slice that did do a full clear of Scotland Yard, but just one. I know at least a few folks did more than that. In my case, their lead isn't insurmountable (about 4K) with 4+ days left, but it definitely makes the climb/grind more difficult than it needs to be.

Why can't the points just be removed from those that did work on that erroneous sub (that includes me)?

So, I can't remember them ever removing point totals. They've expanded reward structures to compensate, maybe given out a stray cover once (I can't remember for certain). I did a full clear on that thing too and benefited but it still doesn't seem remotely fair.

The issue with removing points is that you basically have to reset everyone's character health and healthpacks and do something to compensate the play time of players. People get cranky when you take something away that they put time into.

Well in theory they do not have to expand the rewards. They know exactly what points people are down so just let the event run. At the end of the event D3 takes the points you were behind in the sub and add them to your final total. If you go up a tier or two they give you those rewards as extra covers. Okay D3 have to give out some extra covers but no one loses out.

Edit just to be clear the final positions stand. This is something D3 does after the event as a "fix" for the people that missed out grinding Scotland Yard sub.

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Scoregasms wrote:

Just curious since I'm not a veteran, but has something like this happened before? I have to assume so, what was done in the past? Did they correct the point totals?

I'm probably one of the few in the first slice that did do a full clear of Scotland Yard, but just one. I know at least a few folks did more than that. In my case, their lead isn't insurmountable (about 4K) with 4+ days left, but it definitely makes the climb/grind more difficult than it needs to be.

Why can't the points just be removed from those that did work on that erroneous sub (that includes me)?

I think something weird happened before. I remember getting a free Beast cover once with a sorry message. Can't remember why.

I did the essentials on Scotland Yard. Thanks to the blizzard. I'm in no contention for even the Storm. Just grinding this one out to get the Thor cover.
Sorry to all the guys who got screwed.

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orbitalint wrote:

Scoregasms wrote:

Just curious since I'm not a veteran, but has something like this happened before? I have to assume so, what was done in the past? Did they correct the point totals?

I'm probably one of the few in the first slice that did do a full clear of Scotland Yard, but just one. I know at least a few folks did more than that. In my case, their lead isn't insurmountable (about 4K) with 4+ days left, but it definitely makes the climb/grind more difficult than it needs to be.

Why can't the points just be removed from those that did work on that erroneous sub (that includes me)?

So, I can't remember them ever removing point totals. They've expanded reward structures to compensate, maybe given out a stray cover once (I can't remember for certain). I did a full clear on that thing too and benefited but it still doesn't seem remotely fair.

The issue with removing points is that you basically have to reset everyone's character health and healthpacks and do something to compensate the play time of players. People get cranky when you take something away that they put time into.

Some people did Scotland Yard for up to a potential maximum of 3hrs that it was up.
From what I could see of the player count (I was something like 214 of 1000 with zero points in Scotland Yard before it disappeared) a lot more people didn't get gifted with the chance to farm those points before it closed, and its going to take a lot longer than 3hrs to close the gap (if its even possible) if both parties farm all nodes in a manner which maximises their total points.

orbitalint

Sumilea wrote:

Well in theory they do not have to expand the rewards. They know exactly what points people are down so just let the event run. At the end of the event D3 takes the points you were behind in the sub and add them to your final total. If you go up a tier or two they give you those rewards as extra covers. Okay D3 have to give out some extra covers but no one loses out.

It is definitely not as easy as that. Whatever lead that top person in the sub had at the time they closed it is not the entire amount of points they might have had at the end of the event as a result of this problem.

There is a distinct "during event" effect of insurmountable leads. This isn't that bad of a situation but it does change playing behavior because there is nothing you can do to make up these points, even with perfect refresh plays. It could definitely lead some to taper off their play accordingly after throwing their hands up with this fiasco. So, the simple gap of that sub might actually become 10k or 12k by the end of the event.

It also seems odd to reward people who ground down the nodes to get that lead in the phantom sub. In typical subs, they are eventually overtaken by semi-optimal play. None of us had a chance to even those totals because we didn't know it was only a 1 hour event. We would've played the heck out of those nodes if we all knew that simple fact.

IReallyHatePVP

Do we have any official word on why this happened?

I did the clear on SY when it was open, but its fine as I missed the end of the previous sub 'cause I can't reliably do math at 3 AM .

orbitalint

spaceowl wrote:

Some people did Scotland Yard for up to a potential maximum of 3hrs that it was up.
From what I could see of the player count (I was something like 214 of 1000 with zero points in Scotland Yard before it disappeared) a lot more people didn't get gifted with the chance to farm those points before it closed, and its going to take a lot longer than 3hrs to close the gap (if its even possible) if both parties farm all nodes in a manner which maximises their total points.

Completely agree. I'm not ok that I did get these free points. It is an unfair advantage and no amount of rubberbanding can fix that in the rest of the event. I think the best solution is you bring everyone's score up to exactly as much as the top scoring player in that sub when it closed. That just makes it unfair to the #1 scorer but all of us were playing on stolen time anyways once they decided to ax the node they mistakenly opened rather than let it play out.