*** Mystique (Raven Darkholme) ***

Quebbster

Talahamut wrote:

Quebbster wrote:

The main reason I am considering respecing is that level 4 Shapeshift gathers purple and black, so it would, in theory, make up for the lost tiles from Infiltration somewhat. I am also somewhat partial to long stuns. From the responses, it seems I shouldn't bother though.

Don't...the purple is almost always cast as an immediate precursor to black, and won't stay out long enough to collect anything worthwhile.

Yes, that's mostly how I have been using it. I was just entertaining the possibility that there might be more to purple than just extra damage for black.

Unknown

Quebbster wrote:

The main reason I am considering respecing is that level 4 Shapeshift gathers purple and black, so it would, in theory, make up for the lost tiles from Infiltration somewhat. I am also somewhat partial to long stuns. From the responses, it seems I shouldn't bother though.

Honestly...if you want to stun just bring MBW teamup.

D3 went too far in her nerf much like 3* spidey so now she's completely outclassed.

Funny thing is, Iron Fist/Scarlet Witch are basically 1 character winfinites but they haven't been touched.

famousfoxking

raisinbman wrote:

Funny thing is, Iron Fist/Scarlet Witch are basically 1 character winfinites but they haven't been touched.

How do you get infinite turns out of either of those?

Unknown

famousfoxking wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

Funny thing is, Iron Fist/Scarlet Witch are basically 1 character winfinites but they haven't been touched.

How do you get infinite turns out of either of those?

Rafiki is telling you to look closer

simonsez

famousfoxking wrote:

How do you get infinite turns out of either of those?

Let's watch his stream and see him not do it...

famousfoxking

raisinbman wrote:

Rafiki is telling you to look closer

Dude, I am an old man. I need large type and reading glasses, can you give me a hint?

Unknown

famousfoxking wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

Rafiki is telling you to look closer

Dude, I am an old man. I need large type and reading glasses, can you give me a hint?

He's exaggerating, or using the wrong word for massive AP and crit generation.

I'm still astounded at how weak the double nerf to infiltration has made her.

Unknown

daibar wrote:

famousfoxking wrote:

raisinbman wrote:

Rafiki is telling you to look closer

Dude, I am an old man. I need large type and reading glasses, can you give me a hint?

He's exaggerating, or using the wrong word for massive AP and crit generation.

I'm still astounded at how weak the double nerf to infiltration has made her.

not the wrong word, it is the heir

Chrono_Tata

daibar wrote:

I'm still astounded at how weak the double nerf to infiltration has made her.

I remember spending the whole week making a dozen posts trying to convince the devs that the double nerf was a bad idea when it was announced, which were summarily ignored. I think that was the last straw that made me lose any faith in the devs to balance this game.

Unknown

Chrono_Tata wrote:

daibar wrote:

I'm still astounded at how weak the double nerf to infiltration has made her.

I remember spending the whole week making a dozen posts trying to convince the devs that the double nerf was a bad idea when it was announced, which were summarily ignored. I think that was the last straw that made me lose any faith in the devs to balance this game.

why balance when you can release counter-characters and new, more powerful versions of characters, seems legit *kappa*

rkd80

Championed her (to ultimately get the iceman covers) and been running her in 5/3/5 mode. It can put a serious damper on the opposite team and the 2 turn stun is nice in a pinch.

My issue is that I am having a hard time finding a suitable partner for her, her colors are...odd. Most of the 4*s that I have leveled: XF, Thor4*, HB all overlap in some strong way with her and it just makes her awkward to use.

She will be the featured PvP character after Punisher and am wondering how to best spec her given the set of buffed characters. Drawing blanks frankly.

TxMoose

rkd80 wrote:

Championed her (to ultimately get the iceman covers) and been running her in 5/3/5 mode. It can put a serious damper on the opposite team and the 2 turn stun is nice in a pinch.

My issue is that I am having a hard time finding a suitable partner for her, her colors are...odd. Most of the 4*s that I have leveled: XF, Thor4*, HB all overlap in some strong way with her and it just makes her awkward to use.

She will be the featured PvP character after Punisher and am wondering how to best spec her given the set of buffed characters. Drawing blanks frankly.

first, I don't play with her. hardly any. if I were playing a strictly 3* roster for this event, buffed cyke is probably a must. his best partner will likely be unboosted fist. they only leave blue, which mystique has and her blue feeds black and purple, which works well for that team. could also go cyke/boosted hood, but would leave green uncovered, but between hood and mystique purple, lots of ap control.

rkd80

That makes a ton of sense. I think IF + Cyke and respec Mystique back to 3/5/5 would make for a very fast team indeed. Can rotate Hood instead of IF here and there.

That is truly my favorite aspect of championing, being able to tweak builds based on circumstance is absolutely essential for characters whose "best" build is far from obvious.

wymtime

TxMoose wrote:

rkd80 wrote:

Championed her (to ultimately get the iceman covers) and been running her in 5/3/5 mode. It can put a serious damper on the opposite team and the 2 turn stun is nice in a pinch.

My issue is that I am having a hard time finding a suitable partner for her, her colors are...odd. Most of the 4*s that I have leveled: XF, Thor4*, HB all overlap in some strong way with her and it just makes her awkward to use.

She will be the featured PvP character after Punisher and am wondering how to best spec her given the set of buffed characters. Drawing blanks frankly.

first, I don't play with her. hardly any. if I were playing a strictly 3* roster for this event, buffed cyke is probably a must. his best partner will likely be unboosted fist. they only leave blue, which mystique has and her blue feeds black and purple, which works well for that team. could also go cyke/boosted hood, but would leave green uncovered, but between hood and mystique purple, lots of ap control.

If you wanted to leave red alone you can run Hood IW with Mystique. That is the team I am running I. Her essential in PVE. You can run mystique 5,3,5 and use IW blue and hoods yellow. It is amazing at how Hood can make the worst characters kind of good.

Quebbster

rkd80 wrote:

My issue is that I am having a hard time finding a suitable partner for her, her colors are...odd. Most of the 4*s that I have leveled: XF, Thor4*, HB all overlap in some strong way with her and it just makes her awkward to use.

With X-force Wolverine, I'd probably run Mystique 5/5/3 and use her as a stunner and feed Wolverine black AP for Surgical strike.
With Thor, a 5/3/5 build is probably best for two double whammys - Blue + Red from Thor and Purple + Black from Mystique.
Hulkbuster... probably 5/5/3 there as you are more likely to use HBs black.

Tiger_Wong

It's Mystique's event and I was struggling to come up with a team. I settled on.....

Coulson 4/5/4
Mystique 3/5/5
Switch 5/3/5

really good symmetry. The important colors to get are purple, blue and (surprisingly) TUP. When you get 6+ TUP, it speeds up Switch's CD to get more purple on the field. And when a CD goes off, you get 2 AP in a random color. Use Coulson's Best Laid Plans early in the match to get more blue and black AP for Mystique. She'll hit the hardest with her purple+black combo. When there's only 1 character left, then activate Reality Crush. 

This team is surprisingly fast and is only a red from the rainbow. But you're not gonna care about red anyway since Mystique's Infiltration transforms red, green, and yellow into purple and black. 

Rick_OShay

Tiger Wong said:

It's Mystique's event and I was struggling to come up with a team. I settled on.....

Coulson 4/5/4
Mystique 3/5/5
Switch 5/3/5

really good symmetry. The important colors to get are purple, blue and (surprisingly) TUP. When you get 6+ TUP, it speeds up Switch's CD to get more purple on the field. And when a CD goes off, you get 2 AP in a random color. Use Coulson's Best Laid Plans early in the match to get more blue and black AP for Mystique. She'll hit the hardest with her purple+black combo. When there's only 1 character left, then activate Reality Crush. 

This team is surprisingly fast and is only a red from the rainbow. But you're not gonna care about red anyway since Mystique's Infiltration transforms red, green, and yellow into purple and black. 

Hey, I just fought your team above. It was terribly annoying! The AI really goes for TU at the beginning of the match, and purple was smashing everywhere. Had I read this before I may have skipped, but you were worth 56 pts.
I would attack my grandma for 56 points. 
Anyway, to my surprise the AI saved up for SW's purple instead of Coulson or Mystique's purple the first time, so it didn't hurt too much besides the terribly long stun to my Mystique. Boosted Moon Knight and 4Thor didn't feel much pain though. Once I had enough black to 1shot your SW, things finally turned around.

Your team sounds great and fun for climbing PvP pretty quicky. I wouldn't leave them on defense for long. 

I'm a fan of Mystique overall. You can actually steal quite a bit of AP for the duration of her CD. Her Black hits hard when the CD is out (and many people forget that her black reduces enemy AP as well). Her blue is underrated for accelerating her powers, or others.

Kudos for refreshing her thread.

Tiger_Wong

Rick OShay said:

Tiger Wong said:

It's Mystique's event and I was struggling to come up with a team. I settled on.....

Coulson 4/5/4
Mystique 3/5/5
Switch 5/3/5

really good symmetry. The important colors to get are purple, blue and (surprisingly) TUP. When you get 6+ TUP, it speeds up Switch's CD to get more purple on the field. And when a CD goes off, you get 2 AP in a random color. Use Coulson's Best Laid Plans early in the match to get more blue and black AP for Mystique. She'll hit the hardest with her purple+black combo. When there's only 1 character left, then activate Reality Crush. 

This team is surprisingly fast and is only a red from the rainbow. But you're not gonna care about red anyway since Mystique's Infiltration transforms red, green, and yellow into purple and black. 

Hey, I just fought your team above. It was terribly annoying! The AI really goes for TU at the beginning of the match, and purple was smashing everywhere. Had I read this before I may have skipped, but you were worth 56 pts.
I would attack my grandma for 56 points. 
Anyway, to my surprise the AI saved up for SW's purple instead of Coulson or Mystique's purple the first time, so it didn't hurt too much besides the terribly long stun to my Mystique. Boosted Moon Knight and 4Thor didn't feel much pain though. Once I had enough black to 1shot your SW, things finally turned around.

Your team sounds great and fun for climbing PvP pretty quicky. I wouldn't leave them on defense for long. 

I'm a fan of Mystique overall. You can actually steal quite a bit of AP for the duration of her CD. Her Black hits hard when the CD is out (and many people forget that her black reduces enemy AP as well). Her blue is underrated for accelerating her powers, or others.

Kudos for refreshing her thread.

Cool. Yeah I left that team on. I usually don't care what my team is after my first climb to 575. I kinda figured the AI would be dumb enough to misuse all the purple they could get. The AI doesn't use Coulson well at all. 

I've always like Mystique. I just couldn't really find a team for her to thrive with in 4* land. 

himatako

Tiger Wong said:

I've always like Mystique. I just couldn't really find a team for her to thrive with in 4* land. 

So much this. I wish they would buff her again. The nerf makes her event super boring to play. It isn't fun at all to me, so much that I just ignore her PvP event completely. 

Having her in the team is such a burden that I don't really know what to do. Her blue being double nerfed meaning you can't build your team around it, so that leaves 5/3/5 the only useful build. But her purple + black combo is so weak even when boosted that it isn't worth the setup, especially with health boost every character got. All that effort for 10k isn't really worth it. 

Rick_OShay

himatako said:

Tiger Wong said:

I've always like Mystique. I just couldn't really find a team for her to thrive with in 4* land. 

So much this. I wish they would buff her again. The nerf makes her event super boring to play. It isn't fun at all to me, so much that I just ignore her PvP event completely. 

Having her in the team is such a burden that I don't really know what to do. Her blue being double nerfed meaning you can't build your team around it, so that leaves 5/3/5 the only useful build. But her purple + black combo is so weak even when boosted that it isn't worth the setup, especially with health boost every character got. All that effort for 10k isn't really worth it. 

Are you viewing her purple as a stun only? The AP that it steals can be fantastic. Everyone complains about how many cascades the other team gets, well if this CD survives even 4 turns out of 6, that's 4 to maybe 12 AP stolen for your team depending on what they match against you. Stealing AP is waaaay better than powers that just generate AP for yourself since it takes it away from the enemy.
It even steals TU, who else does that? I certainly wish you could place more than 1 at a time but come on. 
Her black could cost less or have a different bonus-damage qualifier, but that's what her blue power is designed for. It adds a ton of purple and black to the board. Generally bringing a better blue user on the team is a smart move, but for a 3 star she can be very annoying to play against, and therefore a good one to use on your team. Even the AI seems to get her Masterstroke after playing her purple, instead of first, for less damage.