*** Mystique (Raven Darkholme) ***

Unknown

Mystique/Hood/Guest would be shredded so hard on defense it's not even funny. 5100 health and 5950 health is barely as much health as ONE Thor or Sentry or other 10200 character. A +3 / X-Force can kill this entire team by himself, let alone extra team mates.

wymtime

Lerysh wrote:

Mystique/Hood/Guest would be shredded so hard on defense it's not even funny. 5100 health and 5950 health is barely as much health as ONE Thor or Sentry or other 10200 character. A +3 / X-Force can kill this entire team by himself, let alone extra team mates.

I didn't say she is good on defense, but for someone who can kill fast definatly. if you have shapeshift out master stroke is devistating. Hood would deny AP and depending on who was buffed they could tank for you as well. I agree that I would not leave this team as a defensive team, but I would play this team. I would also pair her with Deadpool for AP generation of purple if I wanted super whales

john1620b

For those of you with fully-covered Mystiques that have tried different builds: does 3 -> 5 in blue really make that much of a difference? It's only 3 tiles, but everyone seems to be singing its praises. I haven't tested her much myself, so I can't decide on the most useful build yet.

NorthernPolarity

john1620b wrote:

For those of you with fully-covered Mystiques that have tried different builds: does 3 -> 5 in blue really make that much of a difference? It's only 3 tiles, but everyone seems to be singing its praises. I haven't tested her much myself, so I can't decide on the most useful build yet.

Yeah. If you check my simulator post which is buried on the second page, the chance of cascade increases from 54 to 71%, and the average tiles destroyed almost doubles from 4 to 7 on a standard board. Its a huge deal.

john1620b

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Yeah. If you check my simulator post which is buried on the second page, the chance of cascade increases from 54 to 71%, and the average tiles destroyed almost doubles from 4 to 7 on a standard board. Its a huge deal.

I did actually do just that after posting, and saw the numbers. Seems like it would be worth it, you're right.

simonsez

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Yeah. If you check my simulator post which is buried on the second page, the chance of cascade increases from 54 to 71%, and the average tiles destroyed almost doubles from 4 to 7 on a standard board. Its a huge deal.

Agreed. Looking at the poll, a lot of people haven't seen your numbers.

Unknown

john1620b wrote:

For those of you with fully-covered Mystiques that have tried different builds: does 3 -> 5 in blue really make that much of a difference? It's only 3 tiles, but everyone seems to be singing its praises. I haven't tested her much myself, so I can't decide on the most useful build yet.

turul wrote:

Dat board control

It works.

esoxnepa

Tonight I had an amusing combination of necessity I would never have planned on. Due to odd pulls, my Mystique is 0/3/5. Simulator had had punished me, and I was left with Falcon (5/5/3), GSBW (5/3/5), and my Mystique, against 300 level goons. Mystique fed purple, which fed green, which rained down death.

I wouldn't have thought the combo would allow me so many green placements, but the cascades I could arrange off the Black and Purple matches would put just enough green out for Deceptive Tactics to match and feed re-cascade.

I'll have to try Myst/GSBW on some other goons and some players, and see how it works. I just didn't see this combo, until it dropped in!

Ryz-aus

simonsez wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Yeah. If you check my simulator post which is buried on the second page, the chance of cascade increases from 54 to 71%, and the average tiles destroyed almost doubles from 4 to 7 on a standard board. Its a huge deal.

Agreed. Looking at the poll, a lot of people haven't seen your numbers.

Using her more in the pve, this really understates the difference - because of the pairing with mnmags to turn purple into blue, you will easily be firing mystique blue multiple times. Those later firings will be on boards that are heavily biased to purple/black from your previous powers, so your cascade odds go up and mnmags becomes easier to fuel. I don't think I've ever had the second firing of mystique blue not cascade or setup multiple match 5s.

The result is you will consistently end up with an endless turn - even more than you could with the old Cmags blue. I think this is the best pairing now for overpowered pve opponents (over cap/im40).

orbitalint

^1000% agreed. I know she is all juiced up for Sim right now but my 2/5/5 and MNMags has been wrecking those essentials. I started with mq cap and hood and mq was talking most of the brunt. Now I'm getting out of there with less than 1k damage total to my team.

Storm-netos reign is over for go to for a pve. And yes, mq with 5 blue is amazing. This should be assumed as fact in my book. Cascades fur dayz.

fmftint

orbitalint wrote:

^1000% agreed. I know she is all juiced up for Sim right now but my 2/5/5 and MNMags has been wrecking those essentials. I started with mq cap and hood and mq was talking most of the brunt. Now I'm getting out of there with less than 1k damage total to my team.

Storm-netos reign is over for go to for a pve. And yes, mq with 5 blue is amazing. This should be assumed as fact in my book. Cascades fur dayz.

Throw in Patch and BR before you ramp up. It just rips through enemy HP.

orbitalint

Ooo, thanks. Wonder what team white (storm, mnm and patch) becomes with mq subbing in...

I was throwing in fat Thor for a warm body but patch will work out nicely for actual purpose.

evil panda

well, mystique is wearing white too, so we can still call it Team White

eidehua

MMags, Mystique and Xforce is fun, been using it this pve . My mystique is only 2/3/3 and it's still pretty good

atomzed

My combination of choice with mystique is : Mystique, Deadpool and Xforce.

They are a very fast rainbow team. Dp red deals quick 3k dmg and has slow but strong purple AOE. Xforce black and green are also very fast. Add in mystique blue ability to turn the tiles into purple and black, and you have tons of cascades leading into Surgical strike and Whales.

Unknown

If she gets nerfed, I'm blaming all of you!

GrumpySmurf1002

3/5/5 is almost certainly best for the mMags pairing. With that combo you're never using her purple, so not draining mMags red (which with Intimidation TU can still be cast to pick up more AP) plus the extra damage is helpful to speed things up.

On an unlimited budget, it seems she's a good candidate for duplicating with multiple builds. Otherwise it creates quite the conundrum, because 5/5/3 seems best for most other reasonable pairings.

Unknown

Also, those simulations only measure one thing: cascades.
With Mystique's infiltration, you'll have massive crit forming opportunities; the 3 extra tiles makes a significant difference. Finally a place to use +25% crit damage boosts!

turul

Keep also in mind that blue will generate the purple and black, which is not stealed of cover3 purple, probably more reliably.

himatako

Mystique + MNMag + Storm team works really really well for me in Combined Arms. From this, I can easily go with 3/5/5 I have her at 2/4/4 and her blue is already very helpful. Most of the time it fills purple and black enough for me to cast MNMag's purple multiple times and completely max Black AP at 30.

5/5/3 Storm is there to cause more cascade chaos + AP collection when you're lucky and get yellow & green AP. You can easily get a never-ending turn with these three. And when there's only one enemy left, my favourite combo is Shapeshift + Magnetic Flux. I have Magnetic Flux at 5 so it only take 1 turn to activate. This mean more AP collection and huge damage. You can even throw in Masterstroke for more damage after spending your own green, red and yellow AP.

This makes me regret selling Mohawk Storm, since I can see Mystique + MNMag + Mohawk Storm as a great team for some overpowered PvE nodes in future events.