Cancel the Heroic Juggernaut

GrumpySmurf1002

UGH THIS EVENT IS BRUTAL (cue everyone playing it anyway).

MPQ is a numbers driven enterprise. If they see participation is normal, they'll assume things are normal. Yes, the devs acknowledged the complaints and gave rise to a hope of new content. They're still going to keep churning it out as long as participation is normal.

You want to get rid of Heroics: Stop grinding these tinykitty events. "Oh no i'll miss a new character." Big deal. There will be another one tomorrow.

SnowcaTT

This is possibly the worst one ever. Colossus and Miss marvel are two newer characters, so unless you had a great roster to get them (or paid a bunch), you don't have them leveled.

I have a decent BP and GSBW, but it's those two and 2* Wolvy + Magneto. That's it, that's all I can run that are past level 90. Can't even touch lower nodes. Can't even touch final essential.

Heroic for a new character is terrible. Heroic for a new character ending near the same time as season for a new character is even worse. What are you doing D3?

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GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

UGH THIS EVENT IS BRUTAL (cue everyone playing it anyway).

MPQ is a numbers driven enterprise. If they see participation is normal, they'll assume things are normal. Yes, the devs acknowledged the complaints and gave rise to a hope of new content. They're still going to keep churning it out as long as participation is normal.

You want to get rid of Heroics: Stop grinding these tinykitty events. "Oh no i'll miss a new character." Big deal. There will be another one tomorrow.

Skipping this event means we basically have to skip the next event - as the new character will be a required character for the next one.

In fact, if things hold as they do, once you skip a PVE event, you're basically screwed in EVERY OTHER EVENT FROM THEN ON, unless you can manage a good set of covers in the PVP that gives out the new char. Which is never a guarantee, especially for transitioning players or those that can't grind their way up due to life concerns.

GrumpySmurf1002

RefinedBean wrote:

Skipping this event means we basically have to skip the next event - as the new character will be a required character for the next one.

False. Mystique will be in a PvP that ends prior to the next PvE ending. You might be hurting for progression awards, but you'll be able to compete for covers with good join times.
However, in the event you can't get her there either, missing two PvE's isn't necessarily a bad thing. It might be good for a few people's sanity.

RefinedBean wrote:

In fact, if things hold as they do, once you skip a PVE event, you're basically screwed in EVERY OTHER EVENT FROM THEN ON

Also false. Next PvE will have mystique as an Essential, but the one after that will (likely) have existing characters as the essentials. There's no guarantee you'll be screwed there, in fact the featured could be the 3* you have highest covers for.

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camichan wrote:

I love this game, but this PVE is an unbearable grind off the masochism meter. I'm gonna take a hint from Joshua from the classic movie Wargames "The only way to win is not to play" and sit this one out. I'll have to have my date with Mystique another day. Hats off to anyone who grinds this for the next 2.8 days -- you're a harder core masochist than I am.

"Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess"

"The only winning move is not to play" is oh so true.

cg2912

[quote="GrumpySmurf1002
Also false. Next PvE will have mystique as an Essential, but the one after that will (likely) have existing characters as the essentials. There's no guarantee you'll be screwed there, in fact the featured could be the 3* you have highest covers for.[/quote]
Or it could be like we just saw w/: PVE w/Mrs Marvel rewards, Mrs Marvel required for Blade, Blade required in Gauntlet.

GrumpySmurf1002

cg2912 wrote:

Or it could be like we just saw w/: PVE w/Mrs Marvel rewards, Mrs Marvel required for Blade, Blade required in Gauntlet.

As far as the schedule has been, that's an anomaly. But also why I said 'likely.' It's missing the general point though. I just don't get the logic behind "I hate this event." and "i'm going to play it optimally for 4 days anyway."

We all love this game, but at some point you have to stop beating your head against a wall because ZOMG NEW COVERZ.

wymtime

My issues with Heroic events specificly juggs:
1) limited nodes so you are playing the same nodes over and over. This creates boring game play ahd huge personal and community scaling. This also limits rewards as each node has a limited amount.
2) Juggs leveled up with goons. Juggs has such cheep powers when he keeps buffing up he can fire off unstopable crash almost every turn which generates cascades and then into Headbutt. He does not have to be level 166 level 100 makes the AI feel like it is cheating.
3) Giving us a limited roster that takes forever to get going while seeing point #2. If you are going to give us limited rosters at least give us 4 characters from 3* and 4 from 2* and create balance. Having to boost AP in day 1 in order to complete nodes in a 4 day event is not fun. It makes the PVE an iso drain instead of a way to build ISO and HP.
4) limited rewards especially when a new character is comming out. Heroic's specificly don't give out a lot of HP. This makes it extremly difficut when you are releasing 4 new characters in 3 weeks. my roster slots cost 500HP so that is 2000 HP just on roster slots. When you give PVE's with subs and the ability to earn HP it makes it so the HP requirement not so bad. Heroics are brutal since you are limited in the HP earned when a new character.
5) rubberbanding- these events have had such huge rubberbanding that players can join the last day and still ear most of the progressions. You also have to play in the last hour to get top 50 becuase of rubberbanding. You have run some PVE's where the point totals you can earn are much lower at the end of the event providing people who have put in the time and effot a cushion and more events should be this way.
6) The Story. These Heroic's are now over 1 year old and in the prologue. The story is a minor distraction, but when it is new gives us something else to play for. Even if it was a 2nd run of an old PVE sometimes players did not have the essential character so missed part of the story. My recomendation is to run a PVE 3 times total. I look at the Deadpool PVE. First time was awsome everyone loved the comments and story from Deadpool. 2nd time players who did not have the essentials got a 2nd crack at it. when you run it a 3rd time the jokes are just not as funny we know what is comming and are ready for something new. I have to imagine that writing the stories and creating the art work takes time but from a player perspecitive the enjoyment from the artwork and story last 2-3 events. I am not saying get rid if the events because new players join daily, but shelve them for 6 months after they have run 3 times. It will let more people enjoy them

One positive: I like that it is shorter 3 1/2 days. Please run more PVE's like this 7 day PVE's are just a grind especially for players who actually enjoy starting the event in the beginnig. 3 1/2 days or 4 1/2 days fees like the right amount of time for a PVE. Longer than PVP so you can tell the story, and be replayable as well as farm ISO and earn HP but not too long that it is a grind fest.

cg2912

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

cg2912 wrote:

Or it could be like we just saw w/: PVE w/Mrs Marvel rewards, Mrs Marvel required for Blade, Blade required in Gauntlet.

As far as the schedule has been, that's an anomaly. But also why I said 'likely.' It's missing the general point though. I just don't get the logic behind "I hate this event." and "i'm going to play it optimally for 4 days anyway."

We all love this game, but at some point you have to stop beating your head against a wall because ZOMG NEW COVERZ.

I agree, just hope that stays an anomaly and not a new trend.

This is the first PVE I haven't joined on the first day. Will probably join tonight and looking for top 150 only, don't care about the progression rewards. I've always tried to get the new cover since the first running of the Hunt, when I didn't have who ever the required was for that(Punisher?)

MarvelMan

wymtime wrote:

One positive: I like that it is shorter 3 1/2 days.

Wasnt it 2.5 days the last time through? So they "rewarded" us with an extra day! Be happy!



btw, the (Heroic) beatings will continue until morale improves.

mags1587

MarvelMan wrote:

wymtime wrote:

One positive: I like that it is shorter 3 1/2 days.

Wasnt it 2.5 days the last time through? So they "rewarded" us with an extra day! Be happy!.

It was 2.5 days before. They changed it specifically so it would end on the last day of the season.

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AznLyte wrote:

At the risk of being the most hated person on the forums, I'd just like to express that I actually like Heroics.

I feel like it rewards diverse rosters, and with restricted rosters, in my personal experience the points totals don't go as high.
Thus, I guess I like them because I feel like they are more relaxing than PVE's where you have to grind two branches at once.

That being said, I agree with NorthernPolarity that if there is anything negative to be said about Heroic Juggs, it's the lack of subs.

I think subs really help in feeling rewarded for efforts. Just my two cents.

Unknown

This has proved to me it may be time to move on. This event is for new a new character, and one that I like in the comics (although doesn't seem so great in game). But I looked at the progressions, saw there was nothing to motivate me. I then looked at my roster. I have my 166 BP, boosted over 200, and everyone else is under 100 (with level buffs). There really is no point to even try, unless I get morbidly curious to see what the scaling is in the hard nodes.

PvE, even though we have already repeated the newest one three times, is what I enjoy most for the most part. People claim they are sick of the repetition, but PvP is even worse, besides the goofy themed events. All the regular ones eventually boil down to just fights against Featured + Hood/Daken+Sentry or CMags+XForce. So the variety mostly boils down to the featured hero. Atleast in PvE I can have variety in who I use (unless it is a heroic), without worrying about how many people queue up my not ideal teams.

I think I may be dropping down to a solo daily player, that just comes in to see if there is a new gauntlet or PvE event, and just goes merc for the events I actually think look fun. This means I can't fathom dumping any money into the game from here on out.

Unknown

It's one thing to say this event is garbage. It is. It's ****. It's another thing to go into hysterics about how you're going to stop playing the game because the events this week aren't giving you something you want.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here. If the game itself, the "match 3 and use marvel character's powers to win" part of it isn't fun to you anymore, you shouldn't be playing. If you're going to waste your time, do it doing something fun. Otherwise find something where you're actually getting dollars in exchange for doing something you don't enjoy doing.

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Fievel wrote:

While I don't pretend to speak for the others, I'm in the precarious situation where I'm in the midst of the 2*->3* transition, and I don't have a strong enough team to guarantee a top 100 win in PVP

As for fixes to the Heroics, probably the only thing that I would really like to see is the scaling set, not to entire rosters, but available rosters. I have a 144 Patch (3/4/5) and a 130 Sentry (3/5/4), but if I can't use them, and instead have to use my 76 GSBW (3/3/5) and 45 BP (2/2/1), I shouldn't be fighting enemies scaled to take on my Patch & Sentry. Either scale appropriately, or allow me to use my full roster.

Humbly disagree with your PvP statement. I am running no one higher than level 120 and have finished top 10, 25, 50, and 50 in the last 4 events, while maintaining an average score over 800 for this season. With Patch and Sentry that well covered and leveled, you should have no issues finishing in the top100, regardless of the rest of your roster.

I am F2P who runs 150 to 225 hero points worth of shields per event, so it is not that I am paying for those finishes. Good luck.

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An x/5/4 sentry is enough to top 25 pretty much every pvp event.

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I'm new and love to grind, but I am not doing this PvE event. Lame locked roster and don't have black panther. No thanks

Wonko33

I like heroic a because they make me use characters I usually don't and it's a change of pace. I do have a fairly well rounded roster though

The only way to make this fair would be to scale base on strength of limited roster, it would be at my disadvantage to have people with smaller rosters competitive but we get a huge advantage in PvP so why not even the field more in PvE?

Things like making Blade required to get the top reward on the first Gauntlet was an example of how sometimes it seems that there isn't much thought put into these things, many starting players would have loved to get an Ares cover, it would have been a worthwhile reward for the first node. But in all honesty not many people who have Blade needed an Ares cover.
I understood them doing that when the 10-pack guaranteed featured cover, it was an incentive to make people buy the 10-pack and be able to do the essential nodes, but now who would do that for a 2% chance ?


I think it should be near impossible for a poor roster to win but they should be able to get their hands on a few good 2* covers and an heroic token or 2, how else can they make the 2-->3 leap?

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Switchman wrote:

I'm new and love to grind, but I am not doing this PvE event. Lame locked roster and don't have black panther. No thanks

You can get one from progression easily if you start tomorrow, and do the rest of the nodes. I'm having no trouble in my steam account where my highest character is 52.

Unknown

I wish! I got 755 in the Blade PVP and barely managed to stay in the top 100. I think it's all a matter of whether or not you're lucky enough to stay out of the hell brackets. Lately I've been trying to start closer to the end times just to see if I can play through to the last minute without stopping, in the hopes that I can pace the top teams. I got slaughtered in a previous PVP, making it all the way to 700 and then taking almost 400 points in losses before I could even try to shield (didn't, because at that point, why bother?).