Cancel the Heroic Juggernaut

CrookedKnight

Sure, but maxed rubberband is big enough to get you all the progression rewards in less than 24 hours.

Unknown

In the Colossus release (I think it was Heroic Venom), I couldn't play until only 45 minutes were left. I cleared all but 3 nodes and was close to double the last progression target

cg2912

papa07 wrote:

In the Colossus release (I think it was Heroic Venom), I couldn't play until only 45 minutes were left. I cleared all but 3 nodes and was close to double the last progression target

Stupid question I'm sure, but what if your only interested in snagging a single Cover? Same deal..join late?

NorthernPolarity

dearbluey wrote:

Silly question - What is our Community Manager for, if we still get such long patches of silence every single time a metaphorical bomb is dropped, raising ire?

Edit: I mean absolutely no disrespect to David with this question, I am just curious.

There is a community outside of the forums, (aka Facebook). He's also probably not allowed to directly comment on a lot of this stuff since he isn't really a developer, so he's probably quietly gathering information and reporting back to Demiurge execs / devs, who then tell him what to do. Also the Facebook stuff probably keeps him busy.

Unknown

Heroics - I try to join at the 6 hour mark. Clear 3 times (6 hours, 3.5 hours, 1 hour). It is more than enough no matter how bad the bracket is. To be extra safe, you can go with a 4 clear schedule and start around 9 hours.

Unknown

ark123 wrote:

Fievel wrote:

Sumilea wrote:

Its just 3.5 days on the same set of the nodes. The definition of insane must be grinding them 35 times each every 2 hours 24 minutes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKMMCPeiQoc

I believe we can all relate at this point.

1- Why is he having a teaching moment with a guy he's about to kill and

2- Why would you waste breath screaming "tinykitty you" when you're a second and a half from dropping to the bottom of a river

You're asking for reason and accountability from a crazy person. You might as well ask for rationality in economics, or civil discourse in politics and religion.

Edit: Or answers from the D3 devs.

Unknown

NorthernPolarity wrote:

dearbluey wrote:

Silly question - What is our Community Manager for, if we still get such long patches of silence every single time a metaphorical bomb is dropped, raising ire?

Edit: I mean absolutely no disrespect to David with this question, I am just curious.

There is a community outside of the forums, (aka Facebook). He's also probably not allowed to directly comment on a lot of this stuff since he isn't really a developer, so he's probably quietly gathering information and reporting back to Demiurge execs / devs, who then tell him what to do. Also the Facebook stuff probably keeps him busy.

Fair enough, that makes some sense. I tend to forget about Facebook.

_RiO_

Soooo..... 140 upvotes on the OP?
That should be some kind of record, right?

Unknown

We had this heroic in mid september. I think they just...forgot? Maybe?

Unknown

Since it's top 20 for 2 covers and top 150 for 1 cover it'd make more sense to join late and just write off more than 1 cover as lost cause if you don't plan on playing a lot. There's no scenario that doesn't involve extreme luck or extreme playing that'd let you get top 20 easily while joining late, and if you're going to play a ton you probably should do it from the beginning to be safe, because extreme playing alone is not enough for a top 20 finish if you join late if luck is not on your side.

itstime1234

Worst part is the progression doesn't even have any HP. I am pretty sure the HP progression in PVEs is gone for good and with the rate new characters are coming, this is getting ridiculous. In less than a week many will need to drop 1200+ HP for Mystique and 4Thor and they are squeezing the HP.

I am starting to move closer and closer to leaving this game. It really is moving to P2W

xKOBALTx

itstime1234 wrote:

Worst part is the progression doesn't even have any HP.

I think that's actually a Heroic: Juggernaut thing. I didn't remember any HP progression for the last couple of runs of it and confirmed that fact by pulling both old threads up in Events sub.

September run:

Notable progressions
100 - standard token
500 - 100 iso
1000 - power boost(seriously who uses these anyways?)
1500 - One True Healing™ Health Pack
2000 - stockpile!
2500 - 250 iso 8
3000 - wolverine yellow
3500 - 250 iso
4000 - Juggernaut Heroic token
4500 - 250 iso
5000 - Hawkeye Blue
6000 - 500 iso-8
8000 -Black Widow Purple
11000 - 100 iso
14000 - Juggernaut Event token
17000 - 500 iso
20000 - Thor green

June run:

Progress reward

100 recruit token
500 100 iso
1000 power boost all
1500 1 health pack
2000 Stockpile all
2500 250 iso
3000 p Mhawk
3500 250 iso
4000 Theme Token
4500 250 iso
5000 y cstorm
6000 500 iso
8000 y MNThor
11000 1000 iso
14000 Theme Token
18000 500 iso
22000 Y IM40

Unknown

I'm going to HAVE to play this event because a) I need some way of making decent ISO when there's no lightning rounds, and this is the only way to do that, and b) I've finally hit the "166 barrier" in the Shield Simulator and can no longer have fun in there.

Sure, there's the PVP event, but those aren't meant to be fun. And they aren't. So I only play them at the very final day or two.

Sigh.

David [Hi-Fi] Moore

Ben Grimm wrote:

Seriously - everybody hates these, and that heroic is just flat-out terrible. Stop introducing new characters in heroics. There is still time to change up the event. If you want to put in Mystique in a new PVE starting tomorrow, change it to a non-heroic. We're begging you. Heroic Juggernaut is a terrible event. Just awful. The player base has made it clear how much they hate this. Just don't do it.

I brought this up to the developers today in our daily conversation and they were already aware of the sentiments being expressed regarding Heroic Juggernaut. So, the feedback is being heard. Two things were expressed. Firstly, please do continue letting us know what you don't like about these types of Heroics. The opinions and suggestions are being taken into consideration so that we can improve moving forward. Secondly, you'll see less of this type of Event as the new PVE content is added to the game.

I know! Let me stop you right there - the new PVE content has been long-in-arriving - but I can reassure you once again that it is in development and will be added in the near future.

Hope that helps a bit. Thanks!

(Re-posting here from viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18585)

P.S. It's simply too late at this stage to cancel, test and implement a replacement Event.

Unknown

Anybody else having the scene from Alien Resurrection play in their head? The one where Ripley comes across a clone of her and it begs Ripley to kill it? Kinda feel like that is the state the game is in right now.

Unknown

"David wrote:

Moore"]Firstly, please do continue letting us know what you don't like about these types of Heroics. The opinions and suggestions are being taken into consideration so that we can improve moving forward.

The introduction of a new character.

The lack of any synergies amongst the Heroic team.

The lack of earnable Hero Points.

The lack of Sub-Events.

The need to play during the last hour to stay in the top-150, no matter when you join or how much you play.

If you join before Sunday, the perpetual Iso-20 prizes.

The repetitive opponents.

That's the top of my head list.

Unknown

This is what I put in the other thread:

Here's a big part of the problem: The event is three and a half days of grinding, with scaling going up and up, with a limited, not-particularly well coordinated roster, and nodes becoming functionally impossible one by one and still having to be grinded into oblivion. It's enemies we've fought over and over, repeating ad nauseam, and over-scaled to the point where a single CD tile can wipe out your team. And we've done it many, many times. The rewards are limited, the gameplay is boring, and there's no margin for error. And community scaling makes it absolutely infuriating.

In short, there is nothing good about these events. They're not fun, they're not rewarding, they're not novel, and they're not interesting. They are the game phoning it in.

Don't confuse this with challenging. The Gauntlet is challenging - once you beat a tricky node you don't have to do it again. You get a prize, get a little further along, and are ready to tackle the next challenge. And you have access to your roster, so it's often a matter of finding the right combination of personnel. Juggernaut is just doing the same thing over and over again, and hoping you don't get a bad board.

Juggernaut is just grinding, over and over. It's going in the forest to kill boars, except the boars get tougher and drop worse rewards as time goes on. And then the boars become impossible to beat, and still don't give you anything for beating them.

Nearly every character has been released in one of these lately. And they're awful, awful events.

itstime1234

xKOBALTx wrote:

itstime1234 wrote:

Worst part is the progression doesn't even have any HP.

I think that's actually a Heroic: Juggernaut thing. I didn't remember any HP progression for the last couple of runs of it and confirmed that fact by pulling both old threads up in Events sub.

September run:

Notable progressions
100 - standard token
500 - 100 iso
1000 - power boost(seriously who uses these anyways?)
1500 - One True Healing™ Health Pack
2000 - stockpile!
2500 - 250 iso 8
3000 - wolverine yellow
3500 - 250 iso
4000 - Juggernaut Heroic token
4500 - 250 iso
5000 - Hawkeye Blue
6000 - 500 iso-8
8000 -Black Widow Purple
11000 - 100 iso
14000 - Juggernaut Event token
17000 - 500 iso
20000 - Thor green

June run:

Progress reward

100 recruit token
500 100 iso
1000 power boost all
1500 1 health pack
2000 Stockpile all
2500 250 iso
3000 p Mhawk
3500 250 iso
4000 Theme Token
4500 250 iso
5000 y cstorm
6000 500 iso
8000 y MNThor
11000 1000 iso
14000 Theme Token
18000 500 iso
22000 Y IM40

Thanks. I just remember some of the more recent PVEs having no HPs at all. and at the current rate of characters its almost impossible to buy roster slots and shield in PVPs to get decent covers. Its getting ridiculous.

NorthernPolarity

"David wrote:

Moore"]

Ben Grimm wrote:

Seriously - everybody hates these, and that heroic is just flat-out terrible. Stop introducing new characters in heroics. There is still time to change up the event. If you want to put in Mystique in a new PVE starting tomorrow, change it to a non-heroic. We're begging you. Heroic Juggernaut is a terrible event. Just awful. The player base has made it clear how much they hate this. Just don't do it.

I brought this up to the developers today in our daily conversation and they were already aware of the sentiments being expressed regarding Heroic Juggernaut. So, the feedback is being heard. Two things were expressed. Firstly, please do continue letting us know what you don't like about these types of Heroics. The opinions and suggestions are being taken into consideration so that we can improve moving forward. Secondly, you'll see less of this type of Event as the new PVE content is added to the game.

I know! Let me stop you right there - the new PVE content has been long-in-arriving - but I can reassure you once again that it is in development and will be added in the near future.

Hope that helps a bit. Thanks!

(Re-posting here from viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18585)

P.S. It's simply too late at this stage to cancel, test and implement a replacement Event.

I think the main beef with Juggernaut specifically is that there are 0 sub events. The other heroics are more bearable since the sub events tend to make people think that their grinding each day is worthwhile since they can get sub awards at least. With juggs, 4 days of grinding the exact same nodes that deplete themselves of rewards after the first day and 0 sub rewards is terrible.

Nellyson

"David wrote:

Moore"]

Ben Grimm wrote:

Seriously - everybody hates these, and that heroic is just flat-out terrible. Stop introducing new characters in heroics. There is still time to change up the event. If you want to put in Mystique in a new PVE starting tomorrow, change it to a non-heroic. We're begging you. Heroic Juggernaut is a terrible event. Just awful. The player base has made it clear how much they hate this. Just don't do it.

I brought this up to the developers today in our daily conversation and they were already aware of the sentiments being expressed regarding Heroic Juggernaut. So, the feedback is being heard. Two things were expressed. Firstly, please do continue letting us know what you don't like about these types of Heroics. The opinions and suggestions are being taken into consideration so that we can improve moving forward. Secondly, you'll see less of this type of Event as the new PVE content is added to the game.

I know! Let me stop you right there - the new PVE content has been long-in-arriving - but I can reassure you once again that it is in development and will be added in the near future.

Hope that helps a bit. Thanks!

(Re-posting here from viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18585)

P.S. It's simply too late at this stage to cancel, test and implement a replacement Event.

Ok good, cause it really felt like they just hated us. But....NEW PVE CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It seriously can't come soon enough! So obviously they know the negatives of the Heroic events, but there are positives. I personally, like the limited roster idea. It makes you learn your characters. The bad part is the way they are selected. If we could select 4 out of the 8 characters, that would be an amazing addition. For example, the devs pick two 3 one 2 and one 1 ....then we get to choose one 3 two 2 and one 1 . The reason for this is so that people aren't constantly choosing their favorite two people, but also they get a chance to help get their rosters work to their play styles. Anyways, that's my suggestion.