Cancel the Heroic Juggernaut

GrumpySmurf1002

Fievel wrote:

I got slaughtered in a previous PVP, making it all the way to 700 and then taking almost 400 points in losses before I could even try to shield (didn't, because at that point, why bother?).

This is derailing the thread, but there were plenty of times I left my 94 roster up overnight and didn't lose more than 150.

Losing 400 in the time it took you to complete your last match and then click shield cannot be possible.

On the bigger note though...with a 3/5/4 Sentry you can get a lot higher than 700, if you hop.

Unknown

Fievel wrote:

I wish! I got 755 in the Blade PVP and barely managed to stay in the top 100. I think it's all a matter of whether or not you're lucky enough to stay out of the hell brackets. Lately I've been trying to start closer to the end times just to see if I can play through to the last minute without stopping, in the hopes that I can pace the top teams. I got slaughtered in a previous PVP, making it all the way to 700 and then taking almost 400 points in losses before I could even try to shield (didn't, because at that point, why bother?).

The Blade pvp was not the norm. I barely eked out top 25 with 950.

rkd80

Signed. The point of the game is to be fun and enjoyable. Too often PvEs feel like a grind, the heroics take the grind to a new level of absolute torture. The quest for new characters exacerbates the torture further.

wymtime

MarvelMan wrote:

btw, the (Heroic) beatings will continue until morale improves.

Sounds like my work!!

Unknown

ark123 wrote:

Fievel wrote:

I wish! I got 755 in the Blade PVP and barely managed to stay in the top 100. I think it's all a matter of whether or not you're lucky enough to stay out of the hell brackets. Lately I've been trying to start closer to the end times just to see if I can play through to the last minute without stopping, in the hopes that I can pace the top teams. I got slaughtered in a previous PVP, making it all the way to 700 and then taking almost 400 points in losses before I could even try to shield (didn't, because at that point, why bother?).

The Blade pvp was not the norm. I barely eked out top 25 with 950.

Agreed, I put up a career high of 891 and finished 26th.

It depends on when you went to 700. There is no point in crossing 600 before you are ready to make a big push and shield. The hordes will hit you hard.

Unknown

Well as it stands right now I've got 1 Beast cover in my roster, 2 Mohawk Storm covers in my inventory (and no free slot to recruit her), and if all things go as they normally do I'll end up with one measly Mystique cover.

What's the point??

The best thing that will come from this tournament for me, ironically, will be a BP yellow (5,4,4, -> 5,3,5) and another yellow Ms Marvel. Yeah I hear you lot screaming how rubbish she is, but we need more two star characters and dare I say it some more 1 star characters.

wymtime

JusticeB wrote:

Well as it stands right now I've got 1 Beast cover in my roster, 2 Mohawk Storm covers in my inventory (and no free slot to recruit her), and if all things go as they normally do I'll end up with one measly Mystique cover.

What's the point??

The best thing that will come from this tournament for me, ironically, will be a BP yellow (5,4,4, -> 5,3,5) and another yellow Ms Marvel. Yeah I hear you lot screaming how rubbish she is, but we need more two star characters and dare I say it some more 1 star characters.

Heroic Venom for a 1 character nicknamed squishy. Make sure it is 7 days with a progresion reward of Dare Devil. Squishy will then be the essential character for the next PVE a new story with 5 essential nodes releasing 4 Thor. Only those with Squishy will be able to place well and earn insane amounts of HP, ISO and 4 Thor.
This is my nightmare and why I get all new characters. I will win you, and call you squishy and you will be mine!!!

David [Hi-Fi] Moore

Ben Grimm, Colognoisseur, Riggy, (and other interested forumites),

Could one of you get a poll started along the lines of: "What Aspects Of Heroic Chapters/Events Do You Dislike The Most?" with numerous voting options such as "Limited Rewards," "Old content," "rubberbanding," etc.

I'd run one myself but I don't want to miss voting options the long-standing community may understand better. This would be a serious poll that the developers will look at to best determine what to fix.

Thanks in advance for anyone who would care to assist with this!

Unknown

"David wrote:

Moore"]Ben Grimm, Colognoisseur, Riggy, (and other interested forumites),

Could one of you get a poll started along the lines of: "What Aspects Of Heroic Chapters/Events Do You Dislike The Most?" with numerous voting options such as "Limited Rewards," "Old content," "rubberbanding," etc.

I'd run one myself but I don't want to miss voting options the long-standing community may understand better. This would be a serious poll that the developers will look at to best determine what to fix.

Thanks in advance for anyone who would care to assist with this!

Old content - no new dialogue, nothing added
Roster limitations - Fine line between "challenging" and "beat your head into the desk unhappiness"
Lack of subs leads to rubber banding and scaling craziness
Rolling out new characters in a heroic - unfair?

Hmmm...what else?

MarvelMan

Before we start a poll, lets work out the details here so that we dont run into the problem of resetting vote counts when we come up with a great/horrible aspect to add.


Or maybe lock this, and start a new thread related to the proposed options then roll it out as a poll.

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MarvelMan wrote:

Before we start a poll, lets work out the details here so that we dont run into the problem of resetting vote counts when we come up with a great/horrible aspect to add.


Or maybe lock this, and start a new thread related to the proposed options then roll it out as a poll.

Yeah, that's sound. All the discussion goes here, and then the final poll can be posted and stickied in one fell swoop.

RWTDBurn

Signed. I'm not one to complain, but this Heroic Juggernaut PvE is horrible. Heroic events in general usually aren't fun but between the highly effective combinations for the enemy nodes versus the limited, non-synergetic heroes we're giving to use it's enough to make people walk away from this game forever. Add in the fact that this event is released at the end of season 7 where people usually grind the sim and the last 2 PvP events and I'd bet good money that you'll have a record number of people rage quiting MPQ this weekend. I hate to say it, but this event looks like a money grab to me. I'm sure there will be a boost in health packs sales and in turn HP purchased with real money, but for me I won't be giving any money to D3 for the next 2-3 months because of this. I gladly threw money to D3 when they had their anniversary event in hopes of encouraging events like that one. Likewise, I refuss to give them money when they try to force health pack sales with events like this. If my season results suffer some because of it, so be it.

Unknown

How about:

Un-intuitive limited roster (not allowing for ap steal, stun, etc)
Community scaling
No sub events
No variety in enemies
Juggernaut's cheap/effective abilities scale ridiculously well
Grindfest
Rubberbanding
Heroic's being used to introduce new characters
Subpar progression rewards (i.e. no hp)
Rehashed content

etc, etc.

MarvelMan

How about we start with some of these:

1) Rehashed story line, old dialogue
2) Limited roster
3) Lack of roster synergy
4) Scaling based on full roster, rather than available
5) Out of control community scaling
6) Out of control rubberbanding
7) Rank reward tiers
8) No subs
9) No additional nodes (as in Unstable ISO-8)
10) Goons feeding Juggs AP
11) ???
12) ???


Let me know if there are ones I should add, or ones you think should get pulled.


Also, how many votes should people get? Three?

Unknown

MarvelMan wrote:

How about we start with some of these:

1) Rehashed story line, old dialogue
2) Limited roster
3) Lack of roster synergy
4) Scaling based on full roster, rather than available
5) Out of control community scaling
6) Out of control rubberbanding
7) Rank reward tiers
8) No subs
9) No additional nodes (as in Unstable ISO-8)
10) Goons feeding Juggs AP
11) ???
12) ???


Let me know if there are ones I should add, or ones you think should get pulled.


Also, how many votes should people get? Three?

The introduction of a new character.
The lack of earnable Hero Points.
The need to play during the last hour to stay in the top-150, no matter when you join or how much you play.
If you join before Sunday, the perpetual Iso-20 prizes.
The repetitive opponents.
The repetitive opponents.

As for votes, I would say all 15. There are that many things wrong with this event.

HailMary

MarvelMan wrote:

How about we start with some of these:

1) Rehashed story line, old dialogue
2) Limited roster
3) Lack of roster synergy
4) Scaling based on full roster, rather than available
5) Out of control community scaling
6) Out of control rubberbanding
7) Rank reward tiers
8) No subs
9) No additional nodes (as in Unstable ISO-8)
10) Goons feeding Juggs AP
11) ???
12) ???

Taking this as the first draft of the "official list"...

MarvelMan wrote:

Also, how many votes should people get? Three?

3 doesn't seem like enough if the criticisms are specific enough to be useful. I'd say somewhere around 5 -- a lot of people seem to share the same core group of issues, but letting the poll devolve into "Everything sucks" makes it useless.

I'd clarify #7 to something like "Placement reward tiers are too small for given bracket size," since reward tiers scale based on bracket size, and add whereisbatman's "Very low variety in enemy team comp" as #11.

Unknown

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Losing 400 in the time it took you to complete your last match and then click shield cannot be possible.

400 sounds steep, but I can vouch for 200 points in losses in 5 minutes. To do it, shield in PVP with a modest team (e.g. max Ares+OBW) at some reasonably high point total (say 600), then go tank in simulator for an hour, then go back to the PVP and break shield in the last few minutes of the PVP event and eat crow.

Unknown

Again, if any of the devs had actually tried to play the game for more than 5 minutes, then they'd know that this PvE is the worst of the worst, and would never bring it back. Instead:
1) They don't play.
2) They don't know.
3) They do bring it back.

TazFTW

AznLyte wrote:

At the risk of being the most hated person on the forums, I'd just like to express that I actually like Heroics.

I feel like it rewards diverse rosters, and with restricted rosters, in my personal experience the points totals don't go as high.
Thus, I guess I like them because I feel like they are more relaxing than PVE's where you have to grind two branches at once.

That being said, I agree with NorthernPolarity that if there is anything negative to be said about Heroic Juggs, it's the lack of subs.

I think subs really help in feeling rewarded for efforts. Just my two cents.

I agree with the most hated person on the forums.

I like the restricted rosters. They usually choose a roster that uses characters that I'm not playing in PVP, so I can switch back and forth between Heroic and PVP without needing to use a health pack. Also agree about the single map negative. For me it means having to start playing earlier to avoid the scaling that will come towards the end.

Another thing I do not like about them is that because they are based on the Prologue, the Dark Avengers will never be part of the restricted roster. I want like to try it with a restricted roster that had a boosted Ares or Daken. I wonder if they would be able to make the other events "Heroic", like a restricted roster version of Deadpool vs MPQ. We have a lot more characters to choose from so the restriction shouldn't have to be 8 characters, it could be increased to 10 or 12.

Unknown

Cancel please