Cancel the Heroic Juggernaut

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80 upvotes! Anybody know the record? Keep pushing!

yogi_

Paintsville wrote:

80 upvotes! Anybody know the record? Keep pushing!

Though I don't like them that much, I am largely indifferent to the Heroics but am surprised (well maybe not) at the strong reaction to them.

Unknown

yogi_ wrote:

Paintsville wrote:

80 upvotes! Anybody know the record? Keep pushing!

Though I don't like them that much, I am largely indifferent to the Heroics but am surprised (well maybe not) at the strong reaction to them.

Because who doesn't love fighting a level 390 Juggernaut + Venom team with Daredevil, Falcon, and cStorm

yogi_

gamar wrote:

yogi_ wrote:

Paintsville wrote:

80 upvotes! Anybody know the record? Keep pushing!

Though I don't like them that much, I am largely indifferent to the Heroics but am surprised (well maybe not) at the strong reaction to them.

Because who doesn't love fighting a level 390 Juggernaut + Venom team with Daredevil, Falcon, and cStorm

I prefer to see it as a challenge. Yeah, that's it.

My roster is not that cool yet to have had that honor of such high enemies (I don't even bother with the deadlies), but now that you mention it, it's coming back to me now...

And now I remember the importance of the saying, ignorance is bliss.

Not thinking about it is better for your mental health and you should just blindly click fight with whoever you have left alive.

Unknown

The real problem right now is just the lack of new PVE's. The amount of time between ISO-8 Brotherhood till now with only Prodigal Sun and DP Vs Marvel as the only two new events is amplifying the discontent involving Heroic PVE's (especially without subs, unless it does have subs now?).

If I had to guess the trade off has been TUP's, gauntlet, new PVP formats (BOP, arms, etc.), new LR's, the forthcoming event end-times, etc.

I'm not sure new PVE's should be a priority over getting the end-time issue corrected. However, at some point, new PVE's even if it's just new words in the captions (as someone DjangoUnbuffed put (bowgentle perhaps?)), or something.

I will also argue that fixing the 2.5 hour refresh timers should be a priority over new PVE's as well.

ErikPeter

Just put heroic tokens as a possible reward on every node and I'll quit complaining

Unknown

Actions speak louder than words. Y'all should skip the event. I'll endure the torture and report back how bad it is.

OnesOwnGrief

Skipping the event won't matter because us forumites are just a small subset of players.

Unknown

The is no point in skipping the PvE. There is a vote for changing it to a none-juggs-heroic, and i'm voting for this, too

brisashi

I left the game for about 8 months because I was tired of seeing the same pve events.

Over a year post release and little has changed. A new event once a month and then the same heroics we have seen dozens of time isn't fun or challenging, just frustrating and obstructive.

Unknown

Woah, this post reached a hundred upvotes in less than 24 hours Just shows how much people (including myself) hate Heroic Juggernaut
I wonder how many upvotes this will reach... maybe the number of +1's will be as high as the level of Juggernaut we'll be against

Thor82

Well I actually enjoy the Heroic. I seems like only the top tier players hate Heroic. As a low level player I can actually get one of the covers

Bowgentle

stephen43084 wrote:

I'm not sure new PVE's should be a priority over getting the end-time issue corrected. However, at some point, new PVE's even if it's just new words in the captions (as someone DjangoUnbuffed put (bowgentle perhaps?)), or something.

Yeah that was me.
I think making even a passing reference in the speech bubbles to the new chars introduced in the Heroic wouldn't be asking too much of the devs' time. But apparently it's totally fine to make us grind for days on the same map with crazy rubberbanding and not put any work into actually changing stuff.

Let's see.

Oct 10-17: Devil Dino
Oct 18-24: Ms Marvel
Oct 24-28: Blade
Nov 4-9: Mystique
Nov 9: Lady Thor

That is FIVE new characters introduced within a month. This is absolutely insane and unprecedented.
If you thought a new char every two weeks was a bit much, then this is bonkers.

Now I know, Blade was put in there on short notice, because, it was totally surprising that Halloween came around on Oct 31, there was absolutely no way to plan for that ahead of time.

Devil Dino is ok, because he is awesome and tied to the anniversary events.

What should have been done, was cancel either Ms Marvel or Mystique.

Nobody cared about Ms Marvel to begin with, nobody cares about her now, so nobody would have missed her if you postponed her PVE for 4 weeks.
Same goes for Mystique - end of November would have been plenty of time for her PVE.

Of course, if you mention specific dates for new chars in interviews, you're locked into fixed release dates.

What irks me specifically about Heroic Juggs and Venom: We all know these suck. You've heard us loud and clear, we've said it countless times, THEY SUCK.
Yet you somehow insist on running these over and over and over again for new char releases. Without even making a token effort to alter the story, even though you promised new story for months.

So the only thing I'm curious about is whether I will get bonus scaling again for my Level 270 Xforce and Fury, which I can't use in this Heroic? Because it's totally fair that my scaling is based on my complete roster, not my useable chars.

It's a given that this will end at 6am CET again, and that there is no distinction between rank 30 and 150 again, because that's how you roll.

Unknown

Thor82 wrote:

Well I actually enjoy the Heroic. I seems like only the top tier players hate Heroic. As a low level player I can actually get one of the covers

As a low level player you might not even have character combo that you can use, least being able to deal with overbuffed character with most health in game and undeniably cheap yet very damaging powers.

hurcules

stephen43084 wrote:

Actions speak louder than words. Y'all should skip the event. I'll endure the torture and report back how bad it is.

Don't doubt this man. He played in every single LR during the anniversary week. Red Bull stock price allegedly saw a puzzling minor spike that week.

ThatOneGuyjp189512

i am normally on the fence to most things, i usually give D3 the benefit of the doubt(didn't mind true healing, loved the level shift) but i feel i must speak up on this and agree...I HATE heroic juggs....seriously, it's the worst event in the entire PVE rotation, give us something we'd want D3, anything but Heroics basically....even the simulator was better than this.

Unknown

I have a feeling that someone at D3 is looking at this thread, blinking in confusion and saying "But the participant numbers when we run a heroic with a new character are huge - how can these people be complaining?" without realizing that of COURSE the participation is high. Because if we don't participate in the life-screw that is these heroics then we do not get the new character and cannot compete properly in the NEXT PvE because that new character is ALWAYS required.

It's a vicious cycle of torture.

yogi_

dearbluey wrote:

I have a feeling that someone at D3 is looking at this thread, blinking in confusion and saying "But the participant numbers when we run a heroic with a new character are huge - how can these people be complaining?" without realizing that of COURSE the participation is high. Because if we don't participate in the life-screw that is these heroics then we do not get the new character and cannot compete properly in the NEXT PvE because that new character is ALWAYS required.

It's a vicious cycle of torture.

Pretty much this.

It's the human element, someone was talking about in another recent thread.

Unknown

dearbluey wrote:

I have a feeling that someone at D3 is looking at this thread, blinking in confusion and saying "But the participant numbers when we run a heroic with a new character are huge - how can these people be complaining?" without realizing that of COURSE the participation is high. Because if we don't participate in the life-screw that is these heroics then we do not get the new character and cannot compete properly in the NEXT PvE because that new character is ALWAYS required.

It's a vicious cycle of torture.

Not speaking about proper participation in the next featured PvP , in this case on Nov, 14th ...

Unknown

Bowgentle wrote:

stephen43084 wrote:

I'm not sure new PVE's should be a priority over getting the end-time issue correctedonowever, at some point, new PVE's even if it's just new words in the captions (as someone DjangoUnbuffed put (bowgentle perhaps?)), or something.

Yeah that was me.
I think making even a passing reference in the speech bubbles to the new chars introduced in the Heroic wouldn't be asking too much of the devs' time. But apparently it's totally fine to make us grind for days on the same map with crazy rubberbanding and not put any work into actually changing stuff.

Let's see.

Oct 10-17: Devil Dino
Oct 18-24: Ms Marvel
Oct 24-28: Blade
Nov 4-9: Mystique
Nov 9: Lady Thor

That is FIVE new characters introduced within a month. This is absolutely insane and unprecedented.
If you thought a new char every two weeks was a bit much, then this is bonkers.

Now I know, Blade was put in there on short notice, because, it was totally surprising that Halloween came around on Oct 31, there was absolutely no way to plan for that ahead of time.

Devil Dino is ok, because he is awesome and tied to the anniversary events.

What should have been done, was cancel either Ms Marvel or Mystique.

Nobody cared about Ms Marvel to begin with, nobody cares about her now, so nobody would have missed her if you postponed her PVE for 4 weeks.
Same goes for Mystique - end of November would have been plenty of time for her PVE.

Of course, if you mention specific dates for new chars in interviews, you're locked into fixed release dates.

What irks me specifically about Heroic Juggs and Venom: We all know these suck. You've heard us loud and clear, we've said it countless times, THEY SUCK.
Yet you somehow insist on running these over and over and over again for new char releases. Without even making a token effort to alter the story, even though you promised new story for months.

So the only thing I'm curious about is whether I will get bonus scaling again for my Level 270 Xforce and Fury, which I can't use in this Heroic? Because it's totally fair that my scaling is based on my complete roster, not my useable chars.

It's a given that this will end at 6am CET again, and that there is no distinction between rank 30 and 150 again, because that's how you roll.

I didn't mention the new characters because to me it's been a year, we should know, new character every two weeks. I know at this point it's been established and that won't change. Whether that's the engine that makes mpq run or just a bad case of ocd, out seems apparent they believe MPQ would suffer (go under) without new characters. It's hard to argue against their logic, when people do pve's they loathe and scores rocket in pvp's with new characters. I think this is their bread and butter. Would I rather more space between characters, yes. Would I rather me characters every two weeks then the game lose money (or ask for money from me), no. If new characters are the cost of doing business, I accept that. Is that the actual case? As I always say, I play games, I don't make them. I got no clue.

I do think the dichotomy is funny. People don't like the event, but they don't want to not get the new character either. Almost all the characters are not game changers in PvP, so that's not really a reason to play pve for them. If you can win pve now without them, you probably don't need them for pve. Some would say you need them for the next essential node. That's fine for some, but not really veterans who are burnt out from overplaying the same pve. We know the next pve will be for a character we already have, so we can jump back into the essential node pool two weeks after this pve any way. Plus, veterans can get at least one cover of the new character of their PvP, which starts usually right after the pve ends.

So, the only real reason veterans play pve's we rather not play is try to get as many new character covers that we want, but don't need, as quickly as we can. So this supports mpq's premise that new characters move the charts not new events.

I also think they are set up like most companies where different things are done by different people so that the people who work on characters mechanics don't work on character art and v the people who work on new pve's don't work on the characters. Therefore, either the new characters aren't the problem, or they are the problem, but are seen as essential so that won't change. Also, we used to get both new characters and new events, so it seems unlikely new characters are precludingnew events.

Rather the interlude of new events seems to have come as I previously stated while they work on Tup's, gauntlet, new pvp's, and end times. It was for this reason, (even though it does not affect me living us central time) I said if the end times is the hold up, im okay with tr-running bad events till they get out fixed because that seems more important. However, at some point (relatively soon) I'd like new stories (you know, like the comics the game is based on) and a resolution to the dark reign storyline ) before the avengers movie trilogy concludes. After all, what's the point of adding characters to tell more diverse stories if we don't get new stories.

I guess what I'm saying is at some point it'd be nice to get a set rotation of new story content at least once per month, not have new character releases tied to so many heroic pve's, and fix 2.5 hour refresh timers. This is burning out your loyalest player base.

Case in point, the first time you beat a game, it's great. The next couple times, it's alright. However, at some point, you cross a threshold where playing is work and no longer fun. Yea, that threshold for re-running pve's was crossed a while back. If it was me, I might want to think about freshening up this aspect when the next opportunity arose when resources were available to do so.