How is this possible

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  • MarvelMan
    MarvelMan Posts: 1,350
    KevinMark wrote:
    MarvelMan wrote:
    Its game breaking.
    Is that really?

    Yes. Obviously.

    Yeah, its only one person blatantly operating outside the rules of the game...what happens others start figuring out the loophole/hack? The quantity of people exploiting whatever it is should not be the determining factor on whether the exploit is game breaking. At least Sentry/Hood was legitimate....and it got "fixed."
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    Varg138 wrote:
    2nd place in my season bracket, JBK, only has one character, a Lvl15 Daken, and has over 10k points. I hope that it's just a fluke that I can't see their full roster
    He quit and sold his stuff
  • kalex716
    kalex716 Posts: 184
    MarvelMan wrote:
    KevinMark wrote:
    MarvelMan wrote:
    Its game breaking.
    Is that really?

    Yes. Obviously.

    Yeah, its only one person blatantly operating outside the rules of the game...what happens others start figuring out the loophole/hack? The quantity of people exploiting whatever it is should not be the determining factor on whether the exploit is game breaking. At least Sentry/Hood was legitimate....and it got "fixed."

    We can't say that its an exploit yet, because we don't know the particulars of how a person can get put into this scenario in the first place.

    Sure, its obviously not the intent of the designers for people to be in a situation where they can go uncontested, but if a user, through normal play, can engage in circumstances that puts them in such an aggressively advantageous scenario, its not their fault. Its not exploitative. Will it need to be fixed? Absolutely.

    But dont blame the people who are in the scenario until we know for certain just what you do to reproduce the issue at hand.

    If it requires hacking, or obvious manipulation, then its an exploit.... If its some weird combination of tanking, timing, and some obscure luck then its a bug.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    kalex716 wrote:
    if a user, through normal play, can engage in circumstances that puts them in such an aggressively advantageous scenario, its not their fault. Its not exploitative.
    that is the definition of exploitive
  • Unknown
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    Yama82 is currently sitting above me in fresh cut unshielded with 1412 points with less than an hour to go. I haven't found him once for the whole event.
    What a rip off!!
  • Orangecrush
    Orangecrush Posts: 119
    minimalbliss wrote:
    Yama82 is currently sitting above me in fresh cut unshielded with 1412 points with less than an hour to go. I haven't found him once for the whole event.
    What a rip off!!
    Same here. It's really annoying.
  • Unknown
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    It so happened that NRG521, one of the high scorers joined my alliance so today I asked him what's up with the super high scores. He said in some events he gets attacked but in others he doesn't. He isn't sure what happened and that he may be benefiting from some glitch or perhaps something related to MMR. He added he does use shields, but doesn't shield hop. He joined yama82's alliance in an attempt to see how yama82 does it, but said that yama82 never chats, so he's not sure.
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    Does he use a steam account? Just wondering if this is an issue with PC players as compared to tablet/phone players.
  • Unknown
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    camichan wrote:
    It so happened that NRG521, one of the high scorers joined my alliance so today I asked him what's up with the super high scores. He said in some events he gets attacked but in others he doesn't. He isn't sure what happened and that he may be benefiting from some glitch or perhaps something related to MMR. He added he does use shields, but doesn't shield hop. He joined yama82's alliance in an attempt to see how yama82 does it, but said that yama82 never chats, so he's not sure.
    Maybe it's a rare bug with shield usage and devs can't figure how to fix it yet.
  • slarti
    slarti Posts: 16 Just Dropped In
    Today I found him for the first time in PVP (last time slot). Couldn't resist to beat him icon_e_biggrin.gif
    He was an easy target and using OBW, Punisher and Thoresse.

    I am wondering if others can also see him now....
  • Demiurge_Will
    Demiurge_Will Posts: 346 Mover and Shaker
    KevinMark wrote:
    Maybe it's a rare bug with shield usage and devs can't figure how to fix it yet.

    It was a rare bug, yep. Turned out to not be specifically related to shield usage (that was our first line of inquiry too), but related to yama82 having characters on their team with invalid data. Other players' games looked at those characters' data, got scared because it didn't make sense, and threw away the pin.

    We're not sure exactly where the invalid data came from - possibly a rare side effect from when the base level of 2*, 3*, and 4* characters changed a while back, and not likely to be anything malicious on the part of players who were invisible as a result - but, as of yesterday afternoon, the bad data now gets fixed up automatically by the server and these players aren't invisible anymore.

    Owen (the server engineer) and I really appreciated the reports and videos in this thread. They were super helpful tracking down a sticky problem that we weren't able to reproduce in a test environment. Thanks!
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    Oh, well that's great. Now I get to feel bad.

    Yamaaaaaa! Forgive us! icon_lol.gif
  • Unknown
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    Demiurge_Will wrote:
    KevinMark wrote:
    Maybe it's a rare bug with shield usage and devs can't figure how to fix it yet.

    It was a rare bug, yep. Turned out to not be specifically related to shield usage (that was our first line of inquiry too), but related to yama82 having characters on their team with invalid data. Other players' games looked at those characters' data, got scared because it didn't make sense, and threw away the pin.

    We're not sure exactly where the invalid data came from - possibly a rare side effect from when the base level of 2*, 3*, and 4* characters changed a while back, and not likely to be anything malicious on the part of players who were invisible as a result - but, as of yesterday afternoon, the bad data now gets fixed up automatically by the server and these players aren't invisible anymore.

    Owen (the server engineer) and I really appreciated the reports and videos in this thread. They were super helpful tracking down a sticky problem that we weren't able to reproduce in a test environment. Thanks!

    Will, appreciate the response, but...

    This had been an issue for almost two months. It goes back to communication. A statement like this
    "We are aware of this issue and are looking into it. We do not believe there is any cheating going on. We believe it is a rare bug, but have been unable to isolate the source. Your reports and videos are very useful to us in tracking this down, so please continue posting."

    would have gone a long way towards stowing the pitchforks that the community had out for Yama82, as well as letting us know that D3 was not condoning cheating. While silence may be golden, in a situation like this, a little communication (even to say we don't know) would have gone a long way
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  • mags1587
    mags1587 Posts: 1,020 Chairperson of the Boards
    papa07 wrote:
    Will, appreciate the response, but...

    This had been an issue for almost two months. It goes back to communication. A statement like this
    "We are aware of this issue and are looking into it. We do not believe there is any cheating going on. We believe it is a rare bug, but have been unable to isolate the source. Your reports and videos are very useful to us in tracking this down, so please continue posting."

    would have gone a long way towards stowing the pitchforks that the community had out for Yama82, as well as letting us know that D3 was not condoning cheating. While silence may be golden, in a situation like this, a little communication (even to say we don't know) would have gone a long way

    To be fair, IceIX did post back in October that he looked into it and everything looked okay. There was quite a stretch without any word, though, so I see your point about getting an update.
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    I like to think Yama had no idea of what's going on. Looking forward to the thread they start: "What is this tinykitty that we have to SHIELD now?! LAMMMMMEEEEE."
  • lukewin
    lukewin Posts: 1,356 Chairperson of the Boards
    Why couldn't I get hit with a bug like this?
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    ricin wrote:
    Does he use a steam account? Just wondering if this is an issue with PC players as compared to tablet/phone players.

    He uses mobile phone.
  • Unknown
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    Demiurge_Will wrote:
    but related to ... having characters on their team with invalid data.
    That could explain why NRG got attacked sometimes and not others. He would probably be switching up his team configuration between several of his stronger characters and when he used specific ones, he would become "invisible", and when using others appear visible as any normal player would.
    Demiurge_Will wrote:
    We're not sure exactly where the invalid data came from
    It had to be Deadpool, that rascal! I know he's still sore at us (the community) for taking his 5000 ISO stash...
  • Wonko33
    Wonko33 Posts: 985 Critical Contributor
    all our bagmans could have data corruption and we would never know... icon_rolleyes.gif

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