dkffiv wrote: I'd like to point out that Iron Man and I'd assume Hulk are on a roughly 7 hour respawn timer if downed and can only presume that will turn into 8+ hours with the level shift. You are completely **** over players would built around tanks (or whichever character they got covers for first) instead of assassins.
Budget Player Cadet wrote: Is this change likely to make it possible for steam users in the 2* transition phase likely to be able to continue to progress?
Robably wrote: If the goal was truly to have roster diversity this would do it.. people would be able to select for powers they want, or compensate for very poor draw rates from packs.. like mine
SaintJimmy wrote: Robably wrote: If the goal was truly to have roster diversity this would do it.. people would be able to select for powers they want, or compensate for very poor draw rates from packs.. like mine They keep talking about roster diversity, and honestly it just annoys me. How are we supposed to play different people when there's no way to get covers for them? Say you want to level, I dunno, Human Torch. You have a 1% chance of drawing him, or you can pay $10 for ONE power rank ... assuming you even have that color to start with. Otherwise, the best you can do is slowwwwwwwly gain a cover or two of whatever hero they decide to dole out. If they wanted diversity, they should make it easier to get the covers you want. Respecs, trades (with your own covers), etc. There are so many people I would use if I could, and combinations I would want to try, but there is no point when the heroes are at 1/1/2 or something.
IceIX wrote: gobstopper wrote: 1. Have you considered that perhaps the reason those players have 3*s sitting doing nothing is that they don't have enough covers or ISO to level them? It is incredibly unlikely that people who play this type of game "cap out" on purpose. 2. "Players aren't getting what they should out of the more powerful characters" - How does one do this without covers/ISO and/or $? 1. Yep. We have quite a lot of players that are sitting on mounds of growing Iso-8 and maxed 1*/2* characters. Every now and then a new character release will make a couple people level one, then we see them suddenly blow the rest of the Iso-8 on leveling others as they figure out that there's a whole new world out there. 2. They don't get what they should because they don't invest the Iso-8 that they have in them when that's available. We've got a not insignificant percentage of players sitting there with 3-5 85s and a half dozen or so completely viable 3*s that have enough covers to overtake those 85s. Those same users also tend to be hoarding Iso for... I dunno, the Isopocalypse or something. Users that don't crunch the numbers or read guides simply don't realize that with a relatively minimal Iso-8 expenditure, the characters that they already have could give them a strong boost. gobstopper wrote: Adding 25 levels to a 1 cover Punisher is not going to all of a sudden make him competitive. Like you said, since the level shift is global, whatever "bonuses" are canceled out by the boost that everyone else has too. I would even argue that the power difference is actually exacerbated by this change, because while the level difference is the same, the level 166 has 2-3 abilities that have scaled but the underleveled 3* only has 1-2. Can you share playtest results that compare level 15 vs level 141 and level 40 vs level 166? A Level 40 Punisher base shows a 1* holdout that these 3* characters without much of a push will be stronger than their current roster. They then have something to work for and will likely start down the path of leveling 2*s and 3*s to do so. 2* players similarly suddenly have less than half the deficit to make up to start pushing into 3* land. As for shift in power levels, a 15 vs a 141 will get thwomped more than a 40 versus a 166. Tile damage and ability damage don't scale linearly. The difference isn't night and day, but there is a tad more survivability there. gobstopper wrote: TLDR This change is meant to "gently nudge" players to spend $ on their "suddenly more powerful" characters. Nope. The people we're targeting are generally sitting on hoards of unused/unusable Iso. They're not likely to suddenly buy more if they haven't figured out a use for it by now. Of course, a few weeks down the line when they're again down to normal levels of Iso-8 in the bank, who knows. Our main goal here is to get people that have stalled to realize that there's more to the game than the little tiers they've set for themselves and continue to play as a result.
gobstopper wrote: 1. Have you considered that perhaps the reason those players have 3*s sitting doing nothing is that they don't have enough covers or ISO to level them? It is incredibly unlikely that people who play this type of game "cap out" on purpose. 2. "Players aren't getting what they should out of the more powerful characters" - How does one do this without covers/ISO and/or $?
gobstopper wrote: Adding 25 levels to a 1 cover Punisher is not going to all of a sudden make him competitive. Like you said, since the level shift is global, whatever "bonuses" are canceled out by the boost that everyone else has too. I would even argue that the power difference is actually exacerbated by this change, because while the level difference is the same, the level 166 has 2-3 abilities that have scaled but the underleveled 3* only has 1-2. Can you share playtest results that compare level 15 vs level 141 and level 40 vs level 166?
gobstopper wrote: TLDR This change is meant to "gently nudge" players to spend $ on their "suddenly more powerful" characters.
Amanda1983 wrote: Looks like the character stats will indeed be changing rather than moving laterally. Which sucks for theHappyDance (and us if they don't want to bother updating the tools - which is totally understandable), as well as Nonce Equitaur 2.
OnesOwnGrief wrote: I'm gonna need this update to hit like RIGHT after the Daredevil tournament because I don't want to see level spikes during a Punisher tournament. That would be no beuno.
IceIX wrote: ... 1. Yep. We have quite a lot of players that are sitting on mounds of growing Iso-8 and maxed 1*/2* characters. Every now and then a new character release will make a couple people level one, then we see them suddenly blow the rest of the Iso-8 on leveling others as they figure out that there's a whole new world out there. 2. They don't get what they should because they don't invest the Iso-8 that they have in them when that's available. We've got a not insignificant percentage of players sitting there with 3-5 85s and a half dozen or so completely viable
IceIX wrote: We're currently planning on making a change (likely during the week of 7/1) to alter the starting levels of each of the rarities of characters past 1*. The max levels will be shifted according to this same amount, making the new top ends change accordingly. Characters will automatically shift the number of current levels equivalent to their rarity. This change will be retroactive, so all characters in the game will automatically be adjusted to the new levels. These changes are intended to make gaining a brand new rarer character immediately useful for those players topped out or transitioning from one rarity level to another. The changes to levels are as follows:Rarity Current (Base) Current (Cap) New (Base) New (Cap) Change 1* 1 50 1 50 +0 2* 6 85 15 94 +9 3* 15 141 40 166 +25 4* 30 230 70 270 +40 Leveling costs are unchanged with those costs simply shifted as well. So a 3* character leveling from 15->16 will cost the same amount as a post-shift 3* leveling from 40->41.
Rarity Current (Base) Current (Cap) New (Base) New (Cap) Change 1* 1 50 1 50 +0 2* 6 85 15 94 +9 3* 15 141 40 166 +25 4* 30 230 70 270 +40
killerkoala wrote: OnesOwnGrief wrote: I'm gonna need this update to hit like RIGHT after the Daredevil tournament because I don't want to see level spikes during a Punisher tournament. That would be no beuno. icex said, "We're currently planning on making a change (likely during the week of 7/1)" so it's tue-thurs, cause i know they don't want be in office fixing things on 4th of july, if anything goes wrong. and they will want to mess up and delay lightning rounds and the scaling for heroics event ending thursday
john1620b wrote: So...you increase the healing time on characters, and then increase their health to make healing take longer?
theHappyDance wrote: BTW, for anyone interested, Puzzle Quest 1 and 2 are both on sale for $5 in the steam summer sale. Unlike this game, those are both finished products that you can pickup and play whenever you want and don't have constant changes to screw you over.
iPulzzz wrote: Sorry if this has been said before, but I suspect this is also a ploy to make seed team climbing unviable, by making everyone take longer to kill.. Though with increased damage, who knows
vetheran wrote: theHappyDance wrote: BTW, for anyone interested, Puzzle Quest 1 and 2 are both on sale for $5 in the steam summer sale. Unlike this game, those are both finished products that you can pickup and play whenever you want and don't have constant changes to screw you over. For the love of... Do NOT pick those up, it's a trap! I've tried PQ2 and the AI is infuriatingly hard. You will cry.