killerkoala wrote: pasa_ wrote: killerkoala wrote: The devs really need to address the MMR issue before anything else. cause there is no reason someone with 2 141' and a buffed featured should be able to see and take away points form someone with 2 85's and a features a little above 100 in a pvp. i'd be different if i wanted to fight out of my weight class and try and get points higher than 27, it's another to be socked from behind and lose 35 points from someone if i could retaliated against and get 7 points back Quite the opposite as long as everyone fights in the same arena for the same stuff, there is no reason to have MMR at all. Why you think a developed guy deserves to see only 141 folks? What is the benefit of leveling up and be in the top 1%? Not to be able to meet weaker opponents 99% of the time? Just as you with your 85s that let's assume are good for the best 25% should have easy time to find lower opponents and get points, and not be bothered if a really rare 141 guy hits you instead a much weaker someone. If games are assigned by MMR there should be massive advantage from having it high, being able to get much bigger prizes like that happens elsewhere with such system in place. that is the point of MMR buckets and brackets, this isn't "no holds barred"; it should be an even field for everyone. i'll fight 85's and some 100's and 141's, if i want to, it'd be a risk / reward gamble for me. if you are a 1% that have all 141's, then you should fight only the 141's teams and not be able to hit lower guys. that is like having a heavy weight sucker punching someone from behind in the middle weight class, you think that's fair, he'd go to jail??? if you are too much "weak sauce", to fight someone in your weight class play candy crush. just cause you want easy points from someone you know that can't retaliate back and you won't lose too many hit point because you are probably using patch and 3* daken. you know what part of woman's anatomy you are. suck it up and fight your own MMR buckets.
pasa_ wrote: killerkoala wrote: The devs really need to address the MMR issue before anything else. cause there is no reason someone with 2 141' and a buffed featured should be able to see and take away points form someone with 2 85's and a features a little above 100 in a pvp. i'd be different if i wanted to fight out of my weight class and try and get points higher than 27, it's another to be socked from behind and lose 35 points from someone if i could retaliated against and get 7 points back Quite the opposite as long as everyone fights in the same arena for the same stuff, there is no reason to have MMR at all. Why you think a developed guy deserves to see only 141 folks? What is the benefit of leveling up and be in the top 1%? Not to be able to meet weaker opponents 99% of the time? Just as you with your 85s that let's assume are good for the best 25% should have easy time to find lower opponents and get points, and not be bothered if a really rare 141 guy hits you instead a much weaker someone. If games are assigned by MMR there should be massive advantage from having it high, being able to get much bigger prizes like that happens elsewhere with such system in place.
killerkoala wrote: The devs really need to address the MMR issue before anything else. cause there is no reason someone with 2 141' and a buffed featured should be able to see and take away points form someone with 2 85's and a features a little above 100 in a pvp. i'd be different if i wanted to fight out of my weight class and try and get points higher than 27, it's another to be socked from behind and lose 35 points from someone if i could retaliated against and get 7 points back
Ghast wrote: killerkoala wrote: pasa_ wrote: killerkoala wrote: The devs really need to address the MMR issue before anything else. cause there is no reason someone with 2 141' and a buffed featured should be able to see and take away points form someone with 2 85's and a features a little above 100 in a pvp. i'd be different if i wanted to fight out of my weight class and try and get points higher than 27, it's another to be socked from behind and lose 35 points from someone if i could retaliated against and get 7 points back Quite the opposite as long as everyone fights in the same arena for the same stuff, there is no reason to have MMR at all. Why you think a developed guy deserves to see only 141 folks? What is the benefit of leveling up and be in the top 1%? Not to be able to meet weaker opponents 99% of the time? Just as you with your 85s that let's assume are good for the best 25% should have easy time to find lower opponents and get points, and not be bothered if a really rare 141 guy hits you instead a much weaker someone. If games are assigned by MMR there should be massive advantage from having it high, being able to get much bigger prizes like that happens elsewhere with such system in place. that is the point of MMR buckets and brackets, this isn't "no holds barred"; it should be an even field for everyone. i'll fight 85's and some 100's and 141's, if i want to, it'd be a risk / reward gamble for me. if you are a 1% that have all 141's, then you should fight only the 141's teams and not be able to hit lower guys. that is like having a heavy weight sucker punching someone from behind in the middle weight class, you think that's fair, he'd go to jail??? if you are too much "weak sauce", to fight someone in your weight class play candy crush. just cause you want easy points from someone you know that can't retaliate back and you won't lose too many hit point because you are probably using patch and 3* daken. you know what part of woman's anatomy you are. suck it up and fight your own MMR buckets.
killerkoala wrote: that is the point of MMR buckets and brackets, this isn't "no holds barred"; it should be an even field for everyone. i'll fight 85's and some 100's and 141's, if i want to, it'd be a risk / reward gamble for me. if you are a 1% that have all 141's, then you should fight only the 141's teams and not be able to hit lower guys. that is like having a heavy weight sucker punching someone from behind in the middle weight class, you think that's fair, he'd go to jail??? if you are too much "weak sauce", to fight someone in your weight class play candy crush. just cause you want easy points from someone you know that can't retaliate back and you won't lose too many hit point because you are probably using patch and 3* daken. you know what part of woman's anatomy you are. suck it up and fight your own MMR buckets.
jozier wrote: killerkoala wrote: that is the point of MMR buckets and brackets, this isn't "no holds barred"; it should be an even field for everyone. i'll fight 85's and some 100's and 141's, if i want to, it'd be a risk / reward gamble for me. if you are a 1% that have all 141's, then you should fight only the 141's teams and not be able to hit lower guys. that is like having a heavy weight sucker punching someone from behind in the middle weight class, you think that's fair, he'd go to jail??? if you are too much "weak sauce", to fight someone in your weight class play candy crush. just cause you want easy points from someone you know that can't retaliate back and you won't lose too many hit point because you are probably using patch and 3* daken. you know what part of woman's anatomy you are. suck it up and fight your own MMR buckets. You sound like locked, ****. Grow up you crybaby. You want to win? Beat the best instead of being a **** **** chump.
JoshBot3000 wrote: killerkoala wrote: pasa_ wrote: killerkoala wrote: The devs really need to address the MMR issue before anything else. cause there is no reason someone with 2 141' and a buffed featured should be able to see and take away points form someone with 2 85's and a features a little above 100 in a pvp. i'd be different if i wanted to fight out of my weight class and try and get points higher than 27, it's another to be socked from behind and lose 35 points from someone if i could retaliated against and get 7 points back Quite the opposite as long as everyone fights in the same arena for the same stuff, there is no reason to have MMR at all. Why you think a developed guy deserves to see only 141 folks? What is the benefit of leveling up and be in the top 1%? Not to be able to meet weaker opponents 99% of the time? Just as you with your 85s that let's assume are good for the best 25% should have easy time to find lower opponents and get points, and not be bothered if a really rare 141 guy hits you instead a much weaker someone. If games are assigned by MMR there should be massive advantage from having it high, being able to get much bigger prizes like that happens elsewhere with such system in place. that is the point of MMR buckets and brackets, this isn't "no holds barred"; it should be an even field for everyone. i'll fight 85's and some 100's and 141's, if i want to, it'd be a risk / reward gamble for me. if you are a 1% that have all 141's, then you should fight only the 141's teams and not be able to hit lower guys. that is like having a heavy weight sucker punching someone from behind in the middle weight class, you think that's fair, he'd go to jail??? if you are too much "weak sauce", to fight someone in your weight class play candy crush. just cause you want easy points from someone you know that can't retaliate back and you won't lose too many hit point because you are probably using patch and 3* daken. you know what part of woman's anatomy you are. suck it up and fight your own MMR buckets. So you're basically saying that you should get easy matches because you haven't progressed & people that have progressed should only get tough fights? If your logic was strictly applied, then no one would want to progress because you'd only have tough fights. Additionally you're under some delusional spell if you think mmr doesn't strictly take care of this. Unless you're in mmr hell, 0-500 pts is wide open. You can end up fighting anyone. Experienced people can fight anyone. At 500 pts, the first change in opponents happens. You see max 2* & above teams from 500-800. No more 1* or low 2* teams anymore & if you do they're worth literally 4 pts or so (not worth the trouble). Above 800 is straight 141s mostly. Again maybe so max 2* teams creep into one'is queue for 2-3 pts which is definetly not worth it cause 141 teams are trying to take your points. 2* teams are actually nightmares for elite players because you can beat us for 30-40 pts & we only get 10 back. I was glad when I finally had a max LT & BP to stop those guys from taking my points (who are guys fighting outside their weight class as you put it) So 141 teams do have their bracketing. It's just done in terms of node queues & not in terms of overall brackets. Also remember these teams of 141s make up a very small percentage of overall teams maybe 1-3% overall So if you're too weak to beat 141s regularly, then do the following: 1) do a better job of entering events so you get a better bracket. There are better & worse times to start. I'll give one free piece of advice here: never ever start right when an event starts. That's a rookie mistake 2) find a good alliance. 5DA, xmen, we sorry & a few others have multiple alliances. Join one. Ask questions. They will teach you stuff to get better 3) go farm ISO 24/7 if you wanna get better. Level up your guys. Every single elite player complains about a lack of ISO & not a lack of hp. ISO is easier to find in game but elite players need ever increasing sums of ISO. So rather than complaining about perceived injustices, go play more efficiently & get better. Or YOU can leave to go play candy crush
hibikir wrote: The change probably won't hurt, but the big reason 3*s remain unleveled is not that you have to level them up to 100 for them to be useful, but that you need a ton of covers for the powers themselves to be useful. When you start fighting 3*s, you don't win by powerful matching, or by having a bit more HP, but by throwing powers around. Bersker's rage x2 + 5 blue for magneto means a dead team. So Imagine I am a 2* player, and I get 6 covers of patch and 6 magneto covers, 2x everything. At what level would they be better than running OBW + Thor? If you boosted them to level 200, I'd still use the 2*s, because with just 2 covers for each power, they are doorstops. Right now you won't see any serious use of an unboosted 3* until 10 covers because of powers and levels. If you boost the levels, we might start to see them used at 4-4-0, but that's not really that big a deal. And some characters will be used even less. You can also do the math and see at which level Lazy Thor starts to outdamage, powers wise, a 2* thor that is maxed out, when he is stuck with 5-8 covers. It ain't pretty.
mohio wrote: This whole argument is derailing the actual topic at hand (which has basically run it's course anyway, so not much harm done I guess). Plus it's pointless. Guy complaining, go tank your MMR if you're worried about facing too many fully maxed 3* teams (doesn't sound like you are, so why are you complaining?). Everyone else, why worry about some guy complaining? That happens everywhere on these forums. Also to the first guy - even us 141s (I only have 2, but whatever I'll join the group cause I don't tank and have a few others cover-maxed) get whacked for -40s by other 3* teams (and sometimes 2* teams!) so it's just something you have to learn to live with until the devs figure out how to fix it.
killerkoala wrote: i wasn't asking for easier matches. nor complaining or seeking "injustice" about the levels of the teams I fight, it's my choice i can skip them if i want. i am saying why should i be penalized in PvP for heavy weights wanting "easy matches" and losing -40 points to them.
TheHueyFreeman wrote: The only thing this does is make me wonder whether any of the 4 stars will be usable.
IceIX wrote: Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote: Most forumites seem to agree that Magneto is overpowered and deserves a small nerf, but also seem to agree that he isn't being heavily overused. He's not heavily overused in PVP. In PVE on the other hand, he and Good Ol' Tuxedo Man are by far and away the most used characters in the advanced 3* crowd.
Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote: Most forumites seem to agree that Magneto is overpowered and deserves a small nerf, but also seem to agree that he isn't being heavily overused.