The ChaHulk meta

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  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Is 7 aps considered expensive?
    3-5 aps are considered cheap. I'm not sure about 6 and 8 aps. 9 aps and above are considered expensive.

    Gargantos can do the hardest permanent damage in the game with his black but it's for pick-3. I think I did ~40-50k permanent damage against Chasm. His cd can do 4.7k at level 450. His permanent match damage while invisible might be bugged(?).

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    How does Iceman/Electro work? I don't see any synergy or self acceleration there..

    It was actually mThor and Iceman or Electro. I just got lazy writing it out.

  • Glockoma
    Glockoma Posts: 555 Critical Contributor

    I wish Surfer had a passive component to his active Black Hole that would proc a Black Hole each time an enemy revived. This allow for some competition from iHulk/Chasm teams while still giving a hard counter to the current meta through some active play.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    @HoundofShadow said:
    Is 7 aps considered expensive?
    3-5 aps are considered cheap. I'm not sure about 6 and 8 aps. 9 aps and above are considered expensive.

    Gargantos can do the hardest permanent damage in the game with his black but it's for pick-3. I think I did ~40-50k permanent damage against Chasm. His cd can do 4.7k at level 450. His permanent match damage while invisible might be bugged(?).

    Gargantos' black is unfortunately useless against Chasm, whose tiles are un-owned and won't count towards it's conditions to fire. I believe that Knull is closest to having a useful perma-damage capability, but his strikes are weaksauce. He puts them out way too slowly for Kitty to buff them. Old Man Daken probably has the best all purpose perma-damage on his green, but 9ap is a tall ask against a chasm team, even on his 3rd color.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    Mod On: I removed some comments as off topic since the discussion was escalating. Please keep this civil and refrain from personal attacks.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    WeFor Pick-3, I used Gargantos/Eddie Brock/Carbage. That's how I dealt that much permanent damage. I might need to test it out again.

    For buff to permanent damage, it's either strike tiles or power damage increment.
    Ultron is good with Knull because he speeds up the strike tiles created, and while he can't buff tiles as high as Kitty, he needs only 1 tiles for his passive to kick in. Unfortunately, they don't have defensive ability in pick-2 unless Deathlok or other defensive character is the essential. For ally power damage buff, we have more choices now: Okoye, Apocalypse, Emma, Wanda.

    Other way to deal with abilities is to 1) disable them or 2) reduce their power level
    Oscorp Spidey and 4* Emma can disable entire targeted enemy's abilities. Wanda and C&D can reduce targeted enemy's power level by 4, while 5* Emma can reduce all enemies' abilities by 3. And I brought this up is because such abilities help a lot after Chasm revives the first time. For example, after you fire Wanda's blue power, Chasm can only convert 1 tiles to Abyss tile, reduce only 1 ap, requires 5 Abyss tile to revive and reduces his match damage increment to between 75-150%. This is not theory because I it works every time.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    Emma and Wanda require you to have a bank of AP saved up, their buffs are not going to work against Chasm very well.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    That's why I emphasised that if you really understand how Chasm's black power deducts ap, you'll be able to collect 9 blue/purple aps without much trouble, depending on your team composition. There's an inherent weakness in how Chasm deducts ap, and if you can figure it out logically, you'll be able to work around it.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    Emma requires her top color to be in the bank, I think she is unsuitable. If you have somebody that tanks something else over Wanda’s purple and you choose a color that isn’t anyone’s top, your chances are better, but not what I’d say are reliable.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Please stop suggesting 4* characters for countering chasm.
    On my MMR if I use a 4* character on pvp, at the end of battle I've had lost more points that those that I've earned.
    SW with her hex is simply ridiculous.
    I use SW ALWAYS against chasm and by the time I can fire her hex, the board is full with void tiles and when he dies the hex expires so actually it makes no difference, just for to minimize his damage.
    Are you suggesting effective things? Or just something for to try to mock us?.
    And yes, we understand how chasm black power works, we have him rostered. The colors to lose are 4, black green and the 2 of your characters strongest color.
    All that doesn't change that we must play chasm's game and not ours.
    I repeat although you can counter chahulk team there is no better team than them.
    If you could fight a smart AI and if they could target your characters, no one would win a chahulk team.
    And that's the reason because they are everywhere and they are broken.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    I dunno, I'm seeing a lot of Knull, Adam and even Thor this PVP.
    And they're a pain.
    So maybe not broken, after all?

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards

    I see more Thor than anything else, I find that odd. I’ve seen two immortal teams at 600 pts.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    Boosted Thor is good, at half health he has around 70k Hp so he is a bit more survivable and has an AOE that hits for ~35k with auto acceleration. He’ll be fun with boosted Sighclops after Eye for and Eye wraps up.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I find that Chasm is a real puzzle to deal with and he behaves more like a puzzle than every variation of Puzzle Ops that have been runned. Playing against Chasm is like playing some kind of chess. Sometimes, you've to sacrifice some pawns to move ahead, and by pawns, I don't mean sacrificing a character. You need to sacrifice some moves in order to fire the real move to put him down for good.

    Hopefully, @Bad is not referring to me. Lol. Majority of the pick-2 counters I mentioned are made up of 5*, except for the team of Electro/Nick Fury. After reading how you use Wanda against Chasm and how you explain Chasm's black power, it seems like you don't fully understand how his black power works. However, it might be due to translation errors, or you can't be bothered to explain his black power properly.

    Anyway, the current and next boost week will be a breeze against Chasm/iHulk.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    @Bad said:
    Please stop suggesting 4* characters for countering chasm.
    On my MMR if I use a 4* character on pvp, at the end of battle I've had lost more points that those that I've earned.
    SW with her hex is simply ridiculous.
    I use SW ALWAYS against chasm and by the time I can fire her hex, the board is full with void tiles and when he dies the hex expires so actually it makes no difference, just for to minimize his damage.
    Are you suggesting effective things? Or just something for to try to mock us?.
    And yes, we understand how chasm black power works, we have him rostered. The colors to lose are 4, black green and the 2 of your characters strongest color.
    All that doesn't change that we must play chasm's game and not ours.
    I repeat although you can counter chahulk team there is no better team than them.
    If you could fight a smart AI and if they could target your characters, no one would win a chahulk team.
    And that's the reason because they are everywhere and they are broken.

    You know, there are 4* players in this game. They are entitled to post about 4* teams. Not everything has to be about you. The title of this thread is not "Help BAD defeat Chasm". You are not a moderator, you don't get to tell us what we can't discuss.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    What is the 4* player experience facing Chasm? I assume he is around partially covered but I’m curious if he is a big problem like that or not. There are so many more 4* powers that can help against him compared to the 5* tier (assuming level parity) that I wonder if he is even an issue.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    There is a thread on Reddit complaining about lack of variety in PvP and more than a few of the posts are about Polaris. I’m not sure how many of the forum members here are real 4* players (KGB and Skittledaddy don’t qualify anymore, lol).

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    @killahKlown said:

    You know, there are 4* players in this game. They are entitled to post about 4* teams. Not everything has to be about you. The title of this thread is not "Help BAD defeat Chasm". You are not a moderator, you don't get to tell us what we can't discuss.

    As a 5* player, I'm just saying 4* characters countering don't work for me. Can I say it? Or are you a moderator and you won't let me?
    As it's mentioned, almost all forumers are 5* players, or at least they say it, so it's another reason for my argument.
    Now you can discuss anything, you have my permission lol.
    Oh, and I don't need your help to defeat chasm, by the way, but if you feel better you can give me hints ;)

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,747 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    @Sekilicious said:
    There is a thread on Reddit complaining about lack of variety in PvP and more than a few of the posts are about Polaris. I’m not sure how many of the forum members here are real 4* players (KGB and Skittledaddy don’t qualify anymore, lol).

    Hey Now!

    I'm still a 4* player as long as continue to see 4* MRR opponents.

    4* MMR (at least mine in the L350 range) consists of the following:
    1) Polaris
    2) JThor
    3) Chasm
    4) Weekly Boosted 5*

    Roughly 9/10 teams fall into that category and often you see them combined (ie JThor + Polaris or Chasm + Polaris or boosted 5* + Chasm and so on). The final 1/10 team is something other than those 4 above. Less than 1/20 teams is dual 4* boosted.

    The 5* I do see are rarely fully covered (until I hit 600+ points) but typically have 6-10 covers to they are useful. And yes, I see ChaHulk teams once I hit 800ish points and get close to breaking MMR.

    I can still reach 25 wins but it takes a LOT of skips to get there now plus a lot of health pack it never used to require.

    KGB

  • Mr_F
    Mr_F Posts: 769 Critical Contributor

    @HoundofShadow said:

    Oscorp Spidey and 4* Emma can disable entire targeted enemy's abilities.

    Are we really 100% living in Times when SOMEBODY is suggesging using 4* Emma Frost and is not riddiculled, lol-ed or rotfl-ed to death? Beatifull Times. Waiting for Talos and my waifu.

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