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  • statnut
    statnut Posts: 131 Tile Toppler
    WilliamK1983 said:
    samael64 said:
    Now I'll need to come up with a new favorite heroes strategy.  ;)
    I'm sayin.  My current strategy for 4* favs is to get the 5* they feed a cover for each power.  My current 4* fav, Gamora is lvl 293.  The upcoming shards will give me the missing power for 5* Thanos who is 2/0/1.  I have a bunch of these to do.  But now idk what to do.  Staying with this example, the connection is obvious but could they make the switch to have 4* Thanos feed the 5* and have 4* Gamora feed the 5*?  Or do they leave it as is and make 4* Thanos feed 5* Gamora?

    Another example is 4* Moon Knight.  Doesn't have a feeder and neither does 5* Moon Knight.  Pretty straightforward assumption for a 4* to feed a 5*.  But do I run 4* MK up to 300(currently lvl 295) to get the LL and at some point double dip with the cover & shards?  MK might not even get the retro treatment.  

    So many different permutations that could play out, it's definitely something I'll be thinking about.  

    Edit: completely forgot about some of the recent feeder assignments that now look to be nothing more than placeholders to be changed at a later date.  Glidey Spidey and Reptil come to mind.
    Wait, who does spidey-goblin feed?
  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,637 Chairperson of the Boards
    statnut said:
    WilliamK1983 said:
    samael64 said:
    Now I'll need to come up with a new favorite heroes strategy.  ;)
    I'm sayin.  My current strategy for 4* favs is to get the 5* they feed a cover for each power.  My current 4* fav, Gamora is lvl 293.  The upcoming shards will give me the missing power for 5* Thanos who is 2/0/1.  I have a bunch of these to do.  But now idk what to do.  Staying with this example, the connection is obvious but could they make the switch to have 4* Thanos feed the 5* and have 4* Gamora feed the 5*?  Or do they leave it as is and make 4* Thanos feed 5* Gamora?

    Another example is 4* Moon Knight.  Doesn't have a feeder and neither does 5* Moon Knight.  Pretty straightforward assumption for a 4* to feed a 5*.  But do I run 4* MK up to 300(currently lvl 295) to get the LL and at some point double dip with the cover & shards?  MK might not even get the retro treatment.  

    So many different permutations that could play out, it's definitely something I'll be thinking about.  

    Edit: completely forgot about some of the recent feeder assignments that now look to be nothing more than placeholders to be changed at a later date.  Glidey Spidey and Reptil come to mind.
    Wait, who does spidey-goblin feed?
    5 star deadpool
  • Xception81
    Xception81 Posts: 431 Mover and Shaker
    Wait, who does spidey-goblin feed?
    5*Deadpool
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,655 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2022
    Bad said:
    KGB said:

    The problem is the double dipping. For example if your Antman is at L300, you've earned 2 5* covers already (1 cover + 500 shards). Tomorrow you'll get another cover and 500 more shards. Someone who is rostering all characters can't ever get that same reward. All they can get is 1 cover and 500 shards.

    And how will you do it in another way? If the feeders are changed and you have a 355 Ant Man and now you will get yellow jacket covers instead when  the time comes you could argue that you missed a lot of yellow jacket covers and you don't care at all about **** wasp, and now you have to sell Ant Man for to start over again, a character you rostered for years.
    So they instead give retro rewards which is the least problematic option.


    The least problematic option is just to make a brand new feeder. There are plenty of 4* characters and plenty of new ones being created.

    Even if they absolutely had to make Antman the feeder, they could instead have just made him feed 2 characters at once (like the 3* do). So at L280, you get a Wasp AND a Yellowjacket 5* cover and at other levels get double shards (for Wasp and Yellowjacket).  If they did that, no one gets **** on double dipped rewards.

    KGB
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    statnut said:
    killahKlown said:
    Small bitter people complain about free stuff when others get more free stuff than them.  No good deed goes unpunished.

    Just take whatever freebie gift you're entitled to and say thank you.  
    Agreed. Don’t understand why anyone would be upset by this. 
    Especially a softcapper who doesn't need 5* covers anyway.
  • Eirikr56
    Eirikr56 Posts: 31 Just Dropped In
    statnut said:
    killahKlown said:
    Small bitter people complain about free stuff when others get more free stuff than them.  No good deed goes unpunished.

    Just take whatever freebie gift you're entitled to and say thank you.  
    Agreed. Don’t understand why anyone would be upset by this. 
    It's just noting that this widens the gap between new players and vets and puts them further behind. Maybe that isn't great for the game, so thinking about a way to offset that with a future event or actions could be helpful. 

    That doesn't mean that retro rewards were the wrong thing to do necessarily. 
  • Godzillafan67
    Godzillafan67 Posts: 698 Critical Contributor
    statnut said:
    killahKlown said:
    Small bitter people complain about free stuff when others get more free stuff than them.  No good deed goes unpunished.

    Just take whatever freebie gift you're entitled to and say thank you.  
    Agreed. Don’t understand why anyone would be upset by this. 
    Welcome to the human condition. If you have a box a cookies and give a set of children arbitrarily different amounts, the children will not identify the distribution as fair. This analogy breaks down for us because people who have a 370 Emma have put in the time, effort, and/or money for it. I'm just saying that many of us have an innate desire for people to be fair and be treated fairly. 

    I however take whatever cookies I'm offered and have finally champed Emma, who now sits at 280. (None of the other retro feeders are close enough to their benchmarks to make it worthwhile to spend my CP.)
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,655 Chairperson of the Boards
    Godzillafan67 said:
     If you have a box a cookies and give a set of children arbitrarily different amounts, the children will not identify the distribution as fair. This analogy breaks down for us because people who have a 370 Emma have put in the time, effort, and/or money for it. I'm just saying that many of us have an innate desire for people to be fair and be treated fairly. 

    The cookie example is clearly not fair and children rightly identify it immediately. That shows how easily humans identify fairness.

    People with a L370 Emma should all get the same rewards. Someone tomorrow who has a 370 Emma will have gotten 12 5* covers (6 Wasp, 6 Antman). Someone today who champs Emma and raises her to 370 should get the same. One easy way to do that is to make Emma feed 2 5* at once (like some 3* do) and so at L280 you'd get a 5* Wasp and a 5* Yellowjacket. That way all L370 Emma reward the exact same thing for whatever combo of time/effort/money it took to get there.

    KGB
  • statnut
    statnut Posts: 131 Tile Toppler
    BriMan2222 said:
    statnut said:
    WilliamK1983 said:
    samael64 said:
    Now I'll need to come up with a new favorite heroes strategy.  ;)
    I'm sayin.  My current strategy for 4* favs is to get the 5* they feed a cover for each power.  My current 4* fav, Gamora is lvl 293.  The upcoming shards will give me the missing power for 5* Thanos who is 2/0/1.  I have a bunch of these to do.  But now idk what to do.  Staying with this example, the connection is obvious but could they make the switch to have 4* Thanos feed the 5* and have 4* Gamora feed the 5*?  Or do they leave it as is and make 4* Thanos feed 5* Gamora?

    Another example is 4* Moon Knight.  Doesn't have a feeder and neither does 5* Moon Knight.  Pretty straightforward assumption for a 4* to feed a 5*.  But do I run 4* MK up to 300(currently lvl 295) to get the LL and at some point double dip with the cover & shards?  MK might not even get the retro treatment.  

    So many different permutations that could play out, it's definitely something I'll be thinking about.  

    Edit: completely forgot about some of the recent feeder assignments that now look to be nothing more than placeholders to be changed at a later date.  Glidey Spidey and Reptil come to mind.
    Wait, who does spidey-goblin feed?
    5 star deadpool
    I gotta assume that’s a temporary thing when 4* Deadpool is a thing. 
  • DaSal
    DaSal Posts: 76 Match Maker
    Fantastic news. Tyvm 😃
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards
    I am in a much different roster place now than i was last time any retroactive rewards were given out. This time I have a 370 Frost, but since August 2018 when she was released it took me 4 years to get there, basically bonus heroing and then once they were implemented sharding my way to a completed Kitty. I was happy assuming she might someday just get a rework and be playable, but this feels pretty awesome, justifying that 4 years of grind. I don't really recall being salty as a 4* player that other people were coming out ahead of me who had better rosters, the only saltiness I felt was that I lost out on 1:1 rewards initially for Gambit back when The Deal Was Altered. For me, new feeders were a path towards a 5*. I could see somebody who has been grinding Frost chasing Kitty being mad that the feeder was changed, but somebody who just wasn't working on her at all? Feel your feelings I guess.
  • danielrandkai
    danielrandkai Posts: 90 Match Maker
    Hell yeah. I have had high hopes every since Broken Circle took over. The planned changes, the quick response with rewards when mistakes happen, the Five Star covers in team events continuing, and now the continuation of retro rewards. Excellent work, and thank you so much. 
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,655 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2022
    Bad said:

    However devs want a logical feeder. If they think having characters feeding logical 5*s rather than having a guide to localize all feeders, it's their call.
    The logical feeder to wasp 4* is wasp 5*.
    And a 4* feeding 2 5*s is too valuable. 
    Of course it's their call because it's their game. They could decide tomorrow to arbitrarily give a free LT to everyone who has a last name of B or nerf Shang Chi to Wasp level or whatever else the decide.

    Overall for the player base more feeders are a good thing. No one arguing that.

    But the dev's have consistently favored one group (Vets including F2P over actual paying customers) over everyone else every time they retroactively do things like this (and lets not pretend this is the last one they are going to do because clearly we are going to see more shuffling of feeders around which means lots more extra vet rewards coming down the line) by giving them double dip rewards. All I and others are pointing out it that what they are doing is unfair to some of the player base and that we'd like that addressed (equal pay for equal work). Doesn't mean it's going to happen but also know I'm going to bring it up every time they do this.

    KGB
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mr_F said:
    KGB said:
    Bad said:
    Eirikr56 said:
    Not saying it shouldn't be done, but it's worth noting that this is basically a massive giveaway to veteran players who are already way ahead, meanwhile newer players get basically nothing. This puts newer players even further behind relatively speaking (which does matter since there is a major competitive aspect to this game).

    It's good for the game if new people start playing and are encouraged so hopefully this won't have a negative impact. 
    Things so great like this one ultimately reminds f2p to spend a few bucks and roster all characters. 
    Or hoarders waiting for maxing a single character, that this is a champ'em all game. 
    That doesn't help though.

    It all depends on roster size. For me its few extra 5* covers. For someone else maybe its just one. Some will get nothing.

    It's just how life works. Newer players can't blame devs and vets for starting the game late and missing this. But vets and players "just below vet" (cant find better name for players such as me) just finally got upgrade/change made specifically for them. The DDQ update was/is mainly focused for lower roster players so they can easier catch up with us.

    Sorry guys, but I will not feel sorry for those who will not get this just like players with better rosters than mine wont be sorry that I will miss 5 shard covers of my belowed 5*Wasp (plus others). And I do not expect anyone to be sorry for me. For me and many of us it was a lot of works to just get where we are currently. I have whole topic of currently dozen+ pages describing some of it.
    Did you come out of retirement just for this moment?

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