***** Ultron (Age of Ultron) *****

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,063 Chairperson of the Boards
    Woof.  8450 AOE at lvl 450 is actually *less* than I was expecting.
  • RickOShay
    RickOShay Posts: 452 Mover and Shaker
    entrailbucket said:
    Woof.  8450 AOE at lvl 450 is actually *less* than I was expecting.
    Not AoE though.
  • thedarkphoenix
    thedarkphoenix Posts: 557 Critical Contributor
    I assume whatever the boosted damage he fires off can't be reduced at all? If so the "low damage" makes sense if it goes through passives and all damage reducers.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,063 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2021
    RickOShay said:
    entrailbucket said:
    Woof.  8450 AOE at lvl 450 is actually *less* than I was expecting.
    Not AoE though.
    I...just assumed with a number that ridiculously low, that it was AOE damage...wow.

    Edit: 8450 AOE would be a low number for this power, in this meta. 

    8450 single-target is, like, I don't even
  • TheRiddler
    TheRiddler Posts: 291 Mover and Shaker
    Tony_Foot said:
    Jeez I want Shang but now need to decide which two duds to draw him with.

    I'm probably just gonna wait and see what the next one is to be honest. Either do Odin, Shang and Ultron or Shang, Ultron and ?. The next one is seemingly just as likely to be better and otherwise not much worse.
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards
    THese numbers are very, very low, but I'm still curious how it'll play. I wonder if it'll share the art from the regular one we already have?
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards
    Does Hive Mind create some kind of tile? It's worded in a strange way.
  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    Here are rhe numbers. Indeed, he is slow. And he is a mixture of kitty and many others. 
    However he buffs quite good, and his beam finally will benefit from that.
    Also he will stun for 2 turns with a fortifying. 
    I think he is a good third wheel when fighting SW, although he won't stop her quickly.
  • TheRiddler
    TheRiddler Posts: 291 Mover and Shaker
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Does Hive Mind create some kind of tile? It's worded in a strange way.

    I took it that if there are x number of strike/attack/protect tiles on the board then it either creates one next to an existing one or improves a random one.
    I'm wondering what it does if there are none on the board? Nothing?
  • Waddles_Pines
    Waddles_Pines Posts: 1,266 Chairperson of the Boards
    TheRiddler said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Does Hive Mind create some kind of tile? It's worded in a strange way.

    I took it that if there are x number of strike/attack/protect tiles on the board then it either creates one next to an existing one or improves a random one.
    I'm wondering what it does if there are none on the board? Nothing?
    I'm assuming it does nothing.  Boss Ultron does not replicate unless his bots give him tiles to replicate.  So, I'm assuming this Ultron plays the same way.  
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,545 Chairperson of the Boards
    Wow they really are going back into the mists of time this year! First Ronan and now Ultron. Not getting a comic book Ultron is a tough one because the film version was always terrible both look wise and generally but I guess this was a pretty easy week at the office in some ways. These numbers seem weirdly low, especially considering what we got when Apocalypse was made playable. I mean I get it is guaranteed damage on the red but you still need to meet conditions for that. I'm starting to wonder if Electro is that bad and to keep pulling with this current 3.
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bad said:
    Here are rhe numbers. Indeed, he is slow. And he is a mixture of kitty and many others. 
    However he buffs quite good, and his beam finally will benefit from that.
    Also he will stun for 2 turns with a fortifying. 
    I think he is a good third wheel when fighting SW, although he won't stop her quickly.
    That buff isn't quite as good when you see that Kitty buffs up to 5 tiles for ~650 each, for a total of 3,250/turn (based off my 453 Kitty, your mileage may vary). Ultron just does the one for 1028.

    I'm hoping that there will be some non-obvious thing he is good at, like CArbage, who had pretty weak numbers but turned out to be good actually, but i'm not super upbeat it will be the case.
  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    The way I see him his best setting would be 5/3/5 and the team where he can punch, a brolaris or a gritty team. 
    In a gritty team his beam can hit big in a few turns.
    Not sure if the gritty team is alive anymore in pick 3.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,063 Chairperson of the Boards
    The comparison to Apocalypse is not favorable.  Their red powers both cost 7. 

    Apocalypse does 4 low damage (but boostable) hits that always ignore protect tiles. 

    Ultron does one hit of slightly more damage that can conditionally ignore protect tiles and reduction powers. 

    How many characters even have passive damage reduction for enemy powers?  Just SW and PX?  It's way too narrow of an advantage for a huge difference in damage.
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards
    He may be the Counter-Odin?
  • Captain_Trips88
    Captain_Trips88 Posts: 268 Mover and Shaker
    with the very low damage when compared with current 5*, anyone else think the developers opened a folder up from a few years ago, found ultron lurking in there and thought 'ummm guys, did we forget this one? Quick chuck him in'
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,570 Chairperson of the Boards
    YET lol
  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,099 Chairperson of the Boards
    The way I see it, you’ll never fire it for just 8450 damage because it doesn’t overcome damage reduction unless there are at least 4 strikes/shields/attack tiles on the field. 
  • MrEd95
    MrEd95 Posts: 280 Mover and Shaker
    Considering how much of a beast Apocalypse is after finally being made playable, Ultron seems to be made up of the numbers left over, now that he is finally playable

    Kind of like the DeVito to Apoc’s Schwarzenegger in Twins

    What the better that at some point we get a kaecilius who doesn’t have immortality (it would be op tbf), or they just decide to release Gorgon, but make him even more laughable
  • TheRiddler
    TheRiddler Posts: 291 Mover and Shaker
    entrailbucket said:
    The comparison to Apocalypse is not favorable.  Their red powers both cost 7. 

    Apocalypse does 4 low damage (but boostable) hits that always ignore protect tiles. 

    Ultron does one hit of slightly more damage that can conditionally ignore protect tiles and reduction powers. 

    How many characters even have passive damage reduction for enemy powers?  Just SW and PX?  It's way too narrow of an advantage for a huge difference in damage.

    That is something that bothers me about so many of the new characters. You have older characters that are significantly better across the board in every power. Who determines which characters are gonna be insanely better than the others and for what reason? And I've heard the argument that they slip up and release one occasionally that is better than they planned. I don't buy it.
    Apocalypse is the prime example. His black with 4 protects on the board does nearly 50k damage for just 7 AP. And he has a way to create those protects. A way that also further boosts his teams attacks. You don't accidentally give one character the ability to do outright unassisted 50k damage and another 8k for the same cost.
    As you mentioned his Red does 4 hits for a total of 16k damage and it ignores protects with no stipulations. When boosted each of those 4 hits are boosted. Which means not only is this power for a character that is 18 months old already outright hitting harder for the same cost but when boosted its hitting 4x harder. And he can considerably boost it himself. 
    I get that they can't all be great. But when there is such a huge gap between characters it makes the ones that aren't DOA.



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