***** Ultron (Age of Ultron) *****

TheRiddler

Sekilicious said:

I wonder if I hoard until Odin rotates if I would get enough to champ this or Shang-Chi. Shang-Chi with Chavez and Magik should be able to handle SCL10 in a reasonable amount of time. Ultron with Grocket/BRB and Polaris likewise. Maybe not. Whatever, I only have 127 pulls and have been hoarding since the end of July. 

Its possible. I believe I got 13+ covers on Wanda from that LL store with just 168 pulls.

Sekilicious

TheRiddler said:

Sekilicious said:

I wonder if I hoard until Odin rotates if I would get enough to champ this or Shang-Chi. Shang-Chi with Chavez and Magik should be able to handle SCL10 in a reasonable amount of time. Ultron with Grocket/BRB and Polaris likewise. Maybe not. Whatever, I only have 127 pulls and have been hoarding since the end of July. 

Its possible. I believe I got 13+ covers on Wanda from that LL store with just 168 pulls.

Hopefully we can all be that lucky. If the anniversary store is interesting I have 84 pulls for that as well, though that probably isn’t enough to fully cover Kitty (3/2/1) if she is in there. I would probably need 140 pulls for that

Iridious

I'm curious what will happen to the existing non-playable version of Ultron in PVE nodes outside of the alliance boss event. Will that version stick around so we have 3 total versions of Ultron (Tetris Boss, NPC original and this new 5*), or like back when Devil Dino was updated and became collectable will the old unplayable version be overwritten by this new instance everywhere? Fighting this new version would probably be preferable as he's not stun-immune, but equally I haven't checked if his match damage is significantly better than the old one.

Now I've used the word "version" too much and the word sounds weird to me.

dianetics

I may try to fully cover him but it depends who comes after him. If it’s an appealing toon I will chase the three Shang chi, ultron, and the next…but if it’s not I will probably pass on him.
I don’t see him as a must roster like 5witch or col5.
he would be nice to pair with knull but with these numbers he is not moving the needle for me.

Anon

Ultron, Loki, and Magneto huh. What a store.

Polares

Whaaaaaat only 8k damage for 7AP, is this a mistake or what ?!?!?!

Ultron could be a really good char if his numbers where good. I get he will have a few strike tiles when he fires his red (maybe) but even with those, 8k is laughable.... in a bad way, like a seriously bad joke!

Once again they put too many things into the same power to make it bad. Why create strike tiles with his red??? just do damage with it! Who cares about the power reduction thing if his damage is useless... Even Silver Surfer as old as he is does more damage (and creates charged tiles) for the same AP. and that power is useless nowadays  

If at least he would cancel power reduction for all powers while there was X strike tiles in the board... But as he is right now he might be another dead on arrival char

5/3/5 seems as the clear build option.


PS: I dont know, maybe those red strike tiles are better than I give them credit, they are worth almost 2k in damage. But it has been a while since strike tiles have mattered in 5 land... Maybe he will be decent for PvE

PS: Also reading this "Ultron fires intense energy beams from his Vibranium fingertips." hurts me really bad. I get Marvel didnt have the rights to use Adamantium back then but ULTRON is MADE OF ADAMANTIUM !!!! (and they do have the rights now)

Warbringa

Like many have said before, at first glance on paper, he is probably not one you bust a hoard for and he is not great at anything.  HIs black is ok but countdown based and if you are looking for a stunner, there are several other options.  His red isn't really good imo since it is far easier to just stun problematic characters with damage reduction and then deal with them last rather than use this power and has anyone really found protect tiles to be a problem recently?  His blue is a much weaker Kitty but not terrible.  He needed some additional benefits like much better damage production, immune to stun and maybe some true healing thrown into his set to even make him average.

killahKlown

Red is almost good but the damage is WAY too low.  Plus it's conditional.  I don't mind the conditional part, but if you meet the condition you should be rewarded with a much better punch.

And in order to meet that condition, you have to get specials going.  But no specials generation begins unless you first fire red.  So really, you have to use red once to begin the condition, then a 2nd time to finally hit for pretty weak damage.

Surely I'm missing something here.  That absolute damage will barely make a dent in an equally leveled Wanda, Colossus, Professor X, or Beta Bill.... or whoever else this absolute damage was intended to counter.

killahKlown

Polares said this nonsense:

PS: Also reading this "Ultron fires intense energy beams from his Vibranium fingertips." hurts me really bad. I get Marvel didnt have the rights to use Adamantium back then but ULTRON is MADE OF ADAMANTIUM !!!! (and they do have the rights now)

Clearly this is the MCU Ultron.  From the artwork to the given backstory, this is from the MCU movie. However, even the MCU version wasn't made out of Vibranium.  It's  and odd inclusion.

rainkingucd

killahKlown said:

Polares said this nonsense:

PS: Also reading this "Ultron fires intense energy beams from his Vibranium fingertips." hurts me really bad. I get Marvel didnt have the rights to use Adamantium back then but ULTRON is MADE OF ADAMANTIUM !!!! (and they do have the rights now)

Clearly this is the MCU Ultron.  From the artwork to the given backstory, this is from the MCU movie. However, even the MCU version wasn't made out of Vibranium.  It's  and odd inclusion.

Didn't Ultron use Wanda/Pietro to get the Vibranium from Klaue, so Ultron could build a Vibranium body?  

mdreyer93

rainkingucd said:

killahKlown said:

Polares said this nonsense:

PS: Also reading this "Ultron fires intense energy beams from his Vibranium fingertips." hurts me really bad. I get Marvel didnt have the rights to use Adamantium back then but ULTRON is MADE OF ADAMANTIUM !!!! (and they do have the rights now)

Clearly this is the MCU Ultron.  From the artwork to the given backstory, this is from the MCU movie. However, even the MCU version wasn't made out of Vibranium.  It's  and odd inclusion.

Didn't Ultron use Wanda/Pietro to get the Vibranium from Klaue, so Ultron could build a Vibranium body?  

and that body became Vision

wymtime

For everyone hating on Ultrons red it is pretty on par with many 5*.  

JJ gives one more strike tile an a little more damage for 9AP. 

 Carnage for 6AP does 9K damage but also does self team damage

Hela for 9AP gives 4 strike tiles only slightly better than Ultron.

it might not be Apocalypse or IHulk level red but it is not bad.  Plus you will be able to get out a lot of very strong strike tiles if you pairing him with a strike tile producer making his red do a lot of extra damage

Borstock

Hela, JJ, and Carnage don't get used because of their reds, though. Is it your intent to defend it as the obligatory bad power of the three? Okay. Not much of a redemption there.

AP denial tends not to be an effective strategy. Maybe he's different, but I would have to see it to believe it.

That essentially means his value needs to come from the stun and boosting specials. Is he better than the current options that rely on boosting specials? I would argue no. Is he better than the current options that rely on the stun game? I would argue no.

ThaRoadWarrior

As a robot, maybe being stun immune would have given him a bit of a niche?

Warbringa

I guess what I can't get over is how bad the devs over-estimate powers that rely on countdown tiles.  I mean you are paying the AP for a power that may never go off.  Yeah they are really good when you have AI goons feeding you AP every round and you get to match tiles (PvE AI ahem....) but in PvP they are generally lousy.  There are so many ways to destroy countdown tiles in this game.  In addition, since you have the wait for the power to fire, it is less valuable than in instant fire ability (I guess you could call that time value of AP or something).  Countdown tiles, when they go off, should have really strong impacts and in this game, most of the countdown powers are worse than active instant use powers and passive powers.  

entrailbucket

wymtime said:

For everyone hating on Ultrons red it is pretty on par with many 5*.  

JJ gives one more strike tile an a little more damage for 9AP. 

 Carnage for 6AP does 9K damage but also does self team damage

Hela for 9AP gives 4 strike tiles only slightly better than Ultron.

it might not be Apocalypse or IHulk level red but it is not bad.  Plus you will be able to get out a lot of very strong strike tiles if you pairing him with a strike tile producer making his red do a lot of extra damage

Those other characters are unusable trash because they're not as good as the 3 or 4 good characters. 

If Ultron isn't at least as good as Apocalypse or Hulk, he is also unusable trash.

Borstock

Tony_Foot said:

Barely hits harder than my Hulk buster. It seems like everything is released to be useable when boosted to 550 or with that boost in mind.

I feel like the pre-release nerfs came before that, back when metas involved Okoye or Kitty. No one was allowed to hit too hard, because they were almost always paired with a character that boosted their damage.

TheRiddler

wymtime said:

For everyone hating on Ultrons red it is pretty on par with many 5*.  

JJ gives one more strike tile an a little more damage for 9AP. 

 Carnage for 6AP does 9K damage but also does self team damage

Hela for 9AP gives 4 strike tiles only slightly better than Ultron.

it might not be Apocalypse or IHulk level red but it is not bad.  Plus you will be able to get out a lot of very strong strike tiles if you pairing him with a strike tile producer making his red do a lot of extra damage

JJ came out 3 years ago. Back when you didn't have characters like Knull with 100k health or Colossus doing 6k+ in match damage. I would guess and say that the average 5* character now has more a fair amount more health and match damage than back when she was released.

I used to run Carnage alot with Chavez and/or Karnak. And I never fired his red for that reason.... unless it was to end the match. If I was using Carnage it was for his match damage and the free match every turn. Red was a nonfactor.

I never see Hela unless she is boosted.

But you are right he will be better if you use him with somebody like Kitty or Okoye.

entrailbucket

If you look at the entire 5* tier, almost all of the characters are somewhere between mediocre and awful.  Then there's a few weird outliers that are just massively better in every way.  Those are the characters that get used, and those are the standard that's set for every new character.

Compare Beta Ray Bill to Ultron.  Every single one of his powers is better than Ultron's powers and it's not even close. 

For 7ap Ultron makes an unfortified countdown that destroys some AP and stuns once.  For 6ap (on a self-fed color) Beta Ray Bill does a hit bigger than Ultron's red, and puts out a fortified countdown that's guaranteed to make at least two protect tiles (that then feed that same ability if destroyed). 

Why are these characters even at the same tier?  Ultron isn't just worse than Beta Ray Bill, he's totally outclassed. 

Which one is the aberration?  Ultron looks like 95% of all the other 5* characters, and Beta Ray Bill is off in some completely different tier with Okoye, SW, and Apocalypse.

TheEyeDoctorsWife

We already had our quota of 2 metas this year . You might as well hoard until 2022.