***** Ultron (Age of Ultron) *****

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2021
    wymtime said:
    Awymtime said:
    wymtime said:
    wymtime said:
    For everyone hating on Ultrons red it is pretty on par with many 5*.  

    JJ gives one more strike tile an a little more damage for 9AP. 

     Carnage for 6AP does 9K damage but also does self team damage

    Hela for 9AP gives 4 strike tiles only slightly better than Ultron.

    it might not be Apocalypse or IHulk level red but it is not bad.  Plus you will be able to get out a lot of very strong strike tiles if you pairing him with a strike tile producer making his red do a lot of extra damage
    Those other characters are unusable trash because they're not as good as the 3 or 4 good characters. 

    If Ultron isn't at least as good as Apocalypse or Hulk, he is also unusable trash.
    With boosted 5* it is not about 3-4 good characters it is about is the boosted character useful.  Ultron will be useful when boosted
    This just isn't true.  I wish it was.

    An Ultron boosted to 550 will be about as good as a 450 Apocalypse.
    An Ultron boosted will get more play in PVP than an un boosted Apocalypse.  Any 2nd tier 5* gets played more in PVP when boosted.  SW/Colossus would be the PVP meta if there were no boosted characters.  Now with Boosted 5* there are typically one to 2 5* that will be played in PVP over the regular meta.
    It was this way for awhile but it's not now (for me, anyway), unless one of the best few characters is boosted.  People tried using the boosted characters but seem to be back to running meta teams.
    Amazingly enough I still saw a lot of BB and even some GR in PVP not just Okoye in Web 2.0.  Last week boost for PVP was cap only and combined arms.  Boosted 5* get played in PVP.  You might not choose to do it but they get played.  
    I...do choose to do it!  I run all the old guys at obscene levels against the meta teams.  But nobody else is using them, which is what I said.
  • atomzed
    atomzed Posts: 1,753 Chairperson of the Boards
    Entrail, your problem is 2-fold. Your MMR is skewed with certain of your 5* being 550 AND not all 5* are created equal. 
    We talked about the second part quite a lot so I won’t dwell on it again. 
    For the MMR, I think there’s a lot of scope for D3 to fine tune it so that players at your MMR have a better experience. 
    At my baby champ MMR level, I have a wide selection of teams to choose from, especially with the boosted 5*. It’s been a more pleasant experience for me. For your case I can imagine it being much worse since you only have a few 550, and it doesn’t match up to those with the newer 5*.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    atomzed said:
    Entrail, your problem is 2-fold. Your MMR is skewed with certain of your 5* being 550 AND not all 5* are created equal. 
    We talked about the second part quite a lot so I won’t dwell on it again. 
    For the MMR, I think there’s a lot of scope for D3 to fine tune it so that players at your MMR have a better experience. 
    At my baby champ MMR level, I have a wide selection of teams to choose from, especially with the boosted 5*. It’s been a more pleasant experience for me. For your case I can imagine it being much worse since you only have a few 550, and it doesn’t match up to those with the newer 5*.
    Yeah, I'm not reporting a problem, I'm describing what I see.  What I see is meta teams, not boosted 5*. 

    I have no problem utterly demolishing these teams using various ridiculously high-level old characters.
  • fight4thedream
    fight4thedream Posts: 2,017 Chairperson of the Boards
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  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,767 Chairperson of the Boards
    Borstock said:
    wymtime said:
    Awymtime said:
    wymtime said:
    wymtime said:
    For everyone hating on Ultrons red it is pretty on par with many 5*.  

    JJ gives one more strike tile an a little more damage for 9AP. 

     Carnage for 6AP does 9K damage but also does self team damage

    Hela for 9AP gives 4 strike tiles only slightly better than Ultron.

    it might not be Apocalypse or IHulk level red but it is not bad.  Plus you will be able to get out a lot of very strong strike tiles if you pairing him with a strike tile producer making his red do a lot of extra damage
    Those other characters are unusable trash because they're not as good as the 3 or 4 good characters. 

    If Ultron isn't at least as good as Apocalypse or Hulk, he is also unusable trash.
    With boosted 5* it is not about 3-4 good characters it is about is the boosted character useful.  Ultron will be useful when boosted
    This just isn't true.  I wish it was.

    An Ultron boosted to 550 will be about as good as a 450 Apocalypse.
    An Ultron boosted will get more play in PVP than an un boosted Apocalypse.  Any 2nd tier 5* gets played more in PVP when boosted.  SW/Colossus would be the PVP meta if there were no boosted characters.  Now with Boosted 5* there are typically one to 2 5* that will be played in PVP over the regular meta.
    It was this way for awhile but it's not now (for me, anyway), unless one of the best few characters is boosted.  People tried using the boosted characters but seem to be back to running meta teams.
    Amazingly enough I still saw a lot of BB and even some GR in PVP not just Okoye in Web 2.0.  Last week boost for PVP was cap only and combined arms.  Boosted 5* get played in PVP.  You might not choose to do it but they get played.  

    It just depends on the character and also the required, in some rare cases. It might've been interesting to see if people used a boosted Parker had he been boosted during Web 2.0. With Miles flooding the board with web tiles and hiding, Parker's boosted green and red would probably hit like a truck. It would be nice if they put that kind of thought into it.
    I don't look at Ultron as particularly viable boosted, but maybe I'm wrong. Like I said before, a double-dip from him and Kitty might get ugly, especially if they are both boosted. He might also be fun to play boosted with Hela, since she's got a nice buff when you down an enemy. But if he doesn't have a good duo partner that week, he's definitely not one you're gonna force.
    And this has been my whole point.  If he has another 5* who can provide special tiles he can be useful when boosted.  The Meta is no longer just 2 5*.  The meta is are the boosted 5* good enough to play when boosted.
  • Jimsta_rooney
    Jimsta_rooney Posts: 167 Tile Toppler
    Ultron is brittys best partner, much better than polaris.
    How are people not seeing this?
    Britty and ultron would wreck any team in shield
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    You need someone to create a strike tile for him, unless you want to collect 7 red aps.
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,656 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2021
    Anyone beaten the day 5 node with the loaners (CM, Beast, Thor) and no boosts?
    I tried something like 10 times and twice got him down to where the next turn I would have won but he killed me first. The other 8 he obliterated the loaner team because he could NOT stop lucking into match 5's which carved about 1/2 health off a character or more and of course all 3 characters are utter garbage (CM in particular is a poor choice due to her Black being worse than useless to fire).
    Once I got annoyed I switched to Polaris/Grocket/Medusa it took <12 moves (of course he lucked into yet another critical during that time).
    Since we can't stun on these test nodes the least they could do is set the AI critical damage to 1x to even it up.
    KGB
  • Captain_Trips88
    Captain_Trips88 Posts: 268 Mover and Shaker
    I tried it once with the loaners, quit out pretty quick after first two dropped out after a couple of turns. Returned with a normal team to cruise through it.

    would be interesting to know if it is at all doable with the loan team
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2021
    Use the loaner in the following order:

    Carol/Beast/Thor

    The strategy is simply to play defensively.
    Using this setup, Beast tanks yellow, green and blue, while Carol tanks Red and Black. 

    Gather 6 blue as soon as you can, then match red or yellow. Ultron's top 3 colours will trigger Carol's passive, which nets you 5 red and 3 black aps. 

    When you have 24 red aps, fire Thor's red thrice to create yellow tiles. Fire Beast's blue followed by his yellow.  You will repeat this a few times. Never fire Carol's black even when you have 30 of them because you are helping Ultron. You fire it when you will be able to down him in the next couple turns. Also, when someone is about to get stunned, always let Beast get stunned.




  • Jacklag
    Jacklag Posts: 316 Mover and Shaker
    edited September 2021
    A possibly more interesting approach to Ultron's Hive mind ability might be adding to his tile duplication the following passive:
    "Ultron takes 3% less damage for each friendly Attack, Protect and Strike tile on the board. When a friendly Attack, Protect or Strike tile is matched away or destroyed, Ultron takes X (roughly 3% of his max health) damage.
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2021
    There is a little 'he might make a decent solo 5* with Polaris and Grocket', 'all y'all have no clue how to evaluate characters without playing them', and 'he might play well with BRB and Kitty' sprinkled in there.

    In his PvP, his synergy with Polaris and Grocket is there but he does not share enough colors so my weak-tinykitty 4*s end up tanking more than I would like. He has better synergy with Sabertooth in that respect. It was nice he added protect tiles for BRB as well so they might indeed play well together in a pick 3. On defense, if you make four special tiles surrounding his SAP in non-diagonal directions, then he cannot make more and his blue stalls out. This is very much a weakness in his design, though very much rng dependent.. 

    Also, I somehow died to a Polaris cascade with Polaris and Morbius vs. Polaris and Medusa. I'm still not entirely sure how, but she lucked into an early stun (on Ultron) followed by unending match-5s. Whatever. 
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Here's another way of looking at Ultron's powers:

    R4G has been on the nerf wishlist for years. Some also wanted Kitty and Polaris to be nerfed. 

    If we were to combine Kitty and Polaris together, we get a nerfed version of them called Ultron.

    Can you imagine Ultron is a combination of the three characters above where he puts a strike tile at the start of the game and at the start of each turn (capped at 5) followed by buffing the strike tile immediately? Do you think this is broken?
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards
    Rocket + Kitty is strong because there are a buffable number of strikes in play from battle start. Adding a single strike per turn until you are at best 5 turns in (assuming none are matched, stolen, or removed by any of the myriad powers that do this) and THEN buffing them one at a time is a very weak power. You are essentially describing Knull's power, of which the strikes themselves are basically a non-factor - that is all about having enough of them on the board to trigger the AOE that can't be blocked.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    That's the problem, right?  Ultron's power may be a "fair" version of those others, but why on Earth would anyone use him when we have access to the "unfair" versions?

    (Please don't fixate on the words fair and unfair, I'm borrowing descriptive terms, not making a judgement)
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2021
    I also feel it's kind of a wild comment on the state of this character that nerfing two 4*s and adding in a hamstrung version of an old 5* = this brand new release...
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    It's the same reason SW's power boost is bad.  If she was the only booster in the game she'd be great!  But the other two boosts are way way better than her, so hers looks bad by comparison. 

    Ultron would be great if those other characters didn't exist, but they do, so he looks bad by comparison.
  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,679 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2021
    In his PVE, Ultron/Kitty/BRB is annoying to play.  Beatable now, but curious to see how annoying this will be when he is champed.  He's not the best 5* out there but I really believe he won't be at Banner or Wasp level either.