Theghouse said: entrailbucket said: Theghouse said: The biggest con with this idea is that there is very rarely any kind of added rewards, mostly only traded rewards. I would not want to trade CP which I can spend anywhere in special stores or Latests, or Latest tokens i can save up for a good group of characters, or guaranteed 5* shards, for a classic token where the dilution is absolute garbage and have a very very very low chance of getting a worthwhile 5*.I'm just over-the-moon ecstatic for the outspoken player(s?) who could pull classics for 5+ years - from the very beginning of the 4* and 5* tiers - and champ every character ever released in the game. To think that newer players can accomplish the same given the overwhelming dilution in 4* and 5* over the last 3 years of this constant release cycle is just a completely ridiculous idea and terrible advice for those who want to build a competitive roster. It's like a lottery winner encouraging people to take money out of retirement funds and buy more lottery tickets because " look at me! I did it! There's your proof that it works! Just do exactly what I did! " I didn't win the lottery, in fact I did exactly the opposite of that. I made extremely slow, steady progress over a period of many years.If you're a weightlifter just starting today, and you can only lift 100lbs, but your goal is to lift 500lbs, there's only one way to get there. You lift a little bit more each time you work out. You might never reach your goal of 500lbs, but if you make a small amount of progress every week, over a very, very long period of time, it adds up. One thing is for sure: you'll definitely never get there if you don't work out at all and never make any progress.If your goal isn't "get all the 5* to 550" or you think that goal is stupid or worthless, that's fine! It's my goal, not yours, and I couldn't care less what you think about it. My strategy supports my goal. If you have a different goal, use a different strategy. Yeah ok sure let's go with your weight lifter analogy instead of the lottery winner.You could only lift 100 lbs and you want to get to lifting 500 lbs. You joined the gym over 5 years ago and the barbells weighed exactly 100 lbs. Over time, the gym added weight to the barbells gradually. Now the barbells weigh 500 lbs but you can lift them because your strength grew proportionately with the increasing weight of the barbells.Now a newbie joins the gym and can only lift 100lbs just like when you started. And you tell them "hey just use these barbells everyday and you'll get to lift 500 lbs just like me!". Except the barbells already weigh 500 lbs. And you go on expecting them to be able to make the same progress you did, just because you did it starting 5 years ago under wildly different circumstances.
entrailbucket said: Theghouse said: The biggest con with this idea is that there is very rarely any kind of added rewards, mostly only traded rewards. I would not want to trade CP which I can spend anywhere in special stores or Latests, or Latest tokens i can save up for a good group of characters, or guaranteed 5* shards, for a classic token where the dilution is absolute garbage and have a very very very low chance of getting a worthwhile 5*.I'm just over-the-moon ecstatic for the outspoken player(s?) who could pull classics for 5+ years - from the very beginning of the 4* and 5* tiers - and champ every character ever released in the game. To think that newer players can accomplish the same given the overwhelming dilution in 4* and 5* over the last 3 years of this constant release cycle is just a completely ridiculous idea and terrible advice for those who want to build a competitive roster. It's like a lottery winner encouraging people to take money out of retirement funds and buy more lottery tickets because " look at me! I did it! There's your proof that it works! Just do exactly what I did! " I didn't win the lottery, in fact I did exactly the opposite of that. I made extremely slow, steady progress over a period of many years.If you're a weightlifter just starting today, and you can only lift 100lbs, but your goal is to lift 500lbs, there's only one way to get there. You lift a little bit more each time you work out. You might never reach your goal of 500lbs, but if you make a small amount of progress every week, over a very, very long period of time, it adds up. One thing is for sure: you'll definitely never get there if you don't work out at all and never make any progress.If your goal isn't "get all the 5* to 550" or you think that goal is stupid or worthless, that's fine! It's my goal, not yours, and I couldn't care less what you think about it. My strategy supports my goal. If you have a different goal, use a different strategy.
Theghouse said: The biggest con with this idea is that there is very rarely any kind of added rewards, mostly only traded rewards. I would not want to trade CP which I can spend anywhere in special stores or Latests, or Latest tokens i can save up for a good group of characters, or guaranteed 5* shards, for a classic token where the dilution is absolute garbage and have a very very very low chance of getting a worthwhile 5*.I'm just over-the-moon ecstatic for the outspoken player(s?) who could pull classics for 5+ years - from the very beginning of the 4* and 5* tiers - and champ every character ever released in the game. To think that newer players can accomplish the same given the overwhelming dilution in 4* and 5* over the last 3 years of this constant release cycle is just a completely ridiculous idea and terrible advice for those who want to build a competitive roster. It's like a lottery winner encouraging people to take money out of retirement funds and buy more lottery tickets because " look at me! I did it! There's your proof that it works! Just do exactly what I did! "
Jacklag said: I am a reasonably new player (just recently started moving towards 5* play) and even I know pulling from Classic Legends is a waste of CP. Even as I was collecting my 4*s I knew if I pulled there I was risking getting a lot of covers of characters too weak to make any sort of difference and many covers discarded as I wouldn't have the roster slots needed to keep them all.Not saying if they added Classic Legends Tokens to the game that I wouldn't be opening them now. I just think if I were a newer player I would still save them up until I had all main 5*s at least rostered.What DID help me get started on my 5* collection were those Special Store tokens that used to be awarded in the end of Boss Alliance events, awarding 1 pull to a special store featuring 3 5-stars and some 4*s at extra odds. That I think would be worth it.What I did suggest once was that they replace the Classic Legends store with a Special Classic store that rotated every week or every month, so player could make their pools more precisely. That would feature a rotating selection of five 5* classic characters and maybe 20 4*s with the same 15%/85% odds we have on all Legendary stores today.
Jacklag said: I am a reasonably new player (just recently started moving towards 5* play) and even I know pulling from Classic Legends is a waste of CP. Even as I was collecting my 4*s I knew if I pulled there I was risking getting a lot of covers of characters too weak to make any sort of difference and many covers discarded as I wouldn't have the roster slots needed to keep them all.
Jacklag said:What I did suggest once was that they replace the Classic Legends store with a Special Classic store that rotated every week or every month, so player could make their pools more precisely. That would feature a rotating selection of five 5* classic characters and maybe 20 4*s with the same 15%/85% odds we have on all Legendary stores today.
MrEd95 said: I haven’t read through the whole threat, so this may have already been suggested, but what if the classic store had the same boosted rotation as we now have for events.Essentially, take for example this week’s boosted 5* list: daredevil, doc ock, gambit and spider man. Those 4 characters would have significantly boosted odds for pulling from classics for the weekit would work the same way as how we used to have increased odds for the latest 12 4* in the latest legends store.would something like that be an option?
Akoni said: Jacklag said: I am a reasonably new player (just recently started moving towards 5* play) and even I know pulling from Classic Legends is a waste of CP. Even as I was collecting my 4*s I knew if I pulled there I was risking getting a lot of covers of characters too weak to make any sort of difference and many covers discarded as I wouldn't have the roster slots needed to keep them all. Like @entrailbucket said, it depends on your goal. Pulling from CL worked well for me because I farm. If your goal is to farm, then collecting every character is important since each character gives you resources to collect the next character or resource. If your goal is to be as competitive as possible, then you should under no circumstances pull from CL. In addition, I believe that if you have no roster slots available, hoarding tokens and CP is the best thing to do since any covers for characters you do not have will be a waste. Now, I am in no way saying that you or any other player should play a certain way. Regardless of how a player chooses to play, though, there are optimized strategies for doing so. Jacklag said:What I did suggest once was that they replace the Classic Legends store with a Special Classic store that rotated every week or every month, so player could make their pools more precisely. That would feature a rotating selection of five 5* classic characters and maybe 20 4*s with the same 15%/85% odds we have on all Legendary stores today. MrEd95 said: I haven’t read through the whole threat, so this may have already been suggested, but what if the classic store had the same boosted rotation as we now have for events.Essentially, take for example this week’s boosted 5* list: daredevil, doc ock, gambit and spider man. Those 4 characters would have significantly boosted odds for pulling from classics for the weekit would work the same way as how we used to have increased odds for the latest 12 4* in the latest legends store.would something like that be an option? These are really good suggestions. The only issue I can see with boosting pull rates of 5* characters using current boosted 5* characters is that LL characters are often included in that list. For example, in PvE, Knull is boosted. Right now in PvP he is not. Of course, the specific character list can be altered for the CL store pull rate increase. What about 4*, though? Given the sheer number of 4* in the game, should their pull rates be boosted too?Nonetheless, I would really like to see something like this implemented. I don't even think including a rotation for boosted rates would be difficult for them. Modifying rewards to include CL tokens would indeed require some time and brainwork.Ahem...Dear MPQ Devs,We appreciate all of your hard work in providing us with a little enjoyment during our down time. We just want you to know that if you would like to overhaul the Classics Legends store by including a rotating list of boosted characters and maybe a few Classics Legends tokens, we most of us might be a wee bit appreciative.P.S. Year end would be a great deadline, but no pressure.
Akoni said:I've been making suggestions in Speculations and Concepts for characters for a little while, but Ronan's repeater tiles is the first glimpse that I've seen that devs might actually have glanced at some of my suggestions. I don't think our suggestions should carry many expectations or hope behind them, but we should treat them more like brainstorming sessions. One tiny idea might make it through. Maybe devs decide to actually add Classic Legends tokens or feature very small boosted pull rates. They could also decide to go ahead and increase the CP cost to 25. All of this is just devs trying to put out the best product they can while making as many players as happy as possible.
Akoni said: I remember that thread. That's not the only time that devs have made adjustments after they were mentioned in threads, either. It's pretty obvious that devs monitor parts of the forum like Bugs and Technical Issues. We know that site admins also push certain things through to devs from other areas like General Discussion. I just wasn't sure if anyone was really paying much attention to Speculations and Concepts.
Akoni said: I certainly hope those changes weren't made because those players were loud and obnoxious. Hopefully it was because they were good ideas. I think updating CL is a good idea, but I don't want to be loud and obnoxious to make it happen.