acescracked said: justsing said: acescracked said: Daredevil217 said: acescracked said: justsing said: So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over? Not you! Everytime I Q'd you in PvP you were running bishop. But there in lies the problem! We hate to run Bishop but must run Bishop because otherwise we get hit while the other Bishop teams flourish. You can use him every single match and still want him nerfed.See: Pre-nerf Gambit (really that comparison should be enough to at least warrant a look). Not even close. If you didn't counter Gambit with your own you had a high rate of losing. You can use alot of different teams to beat a bishop team. Obviously come out beat up a little to alot. Is that why I got hit a bazillion times? Oh wait, the hits stopped once I switched to Bishop. l o lYou can't run Thorkoye, Gritty, or the other teams you actually like running when everyone else is running Bishop teams. That's just painting a big fat target on your forehead. So yeah, I ran Bishop. And hated every minute of it. I skipped you because you help out in the PVE room, not because of bishop...haha. Lesson learned, I'll happily hit your bishop team and give you all the reds you need! If you climb high enough you'll get more from others,Funny you mention "can't run Thorkoye, Gritty" since both of them have had their share of NERF EM! threads. Ever since the community got D3 to nerf Gambit every team now that poses a threat needs to be nerfed. It seems a good percentage of the folks want easy win teams. Gritty teams are like a harder grill and bishop takes a little thought to beat. Stop asking for easy mode.
justsing said: acescracked said: Daredevil217 said: acescracked said: justsing said: So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over? Not you! Everytime I Q'd you in PvP you were running bishop. But there in lies the problem! We hate to run Bishop but must run Bishop because otherwise we get hit while the other Bishop teams flourish. You can use him every single match and still want him nerfed.See: Pre-nerf Gambit (really that comparison should be enough to at least warrant a look). Not even close. If you didn't counter Gambit with your own you had a high rate of losing. You can use alot of different teams to beat a bishop team. Obviously come out beat up a little to alot. Is that why I got hit a bazillion times? Oh wait, the hits stopped once I switched to Bishop. l o lYou can't run Thorkoye, Gritty, or the other teams you actually like running when everyone else is running Bishop teams. That's just painting a big fat target on your forehead. So yeah, I ran Bishop. And hated every minute of it.
acescracked said: Daredevil217 said: acescracked said: justsing said: So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over? Not you! Everytime I Q'd you in PvP you were running bishop. But there in lies the problem! We hate to run Bishop but must run Bishop because otherwise we get hit while the other Bishop teams flourish. You can use him every single match and still want him nerfed.See: Pre-nerf Gambit (really that comparison should be enough to at least warrant a look). Not even close. If you didn't counter Gambit with your own you had a high rate of losing. You can use alot of different teams to beat a bishop team. Obviously come out beat up a little to alot.
Daredevil217 said: acescracked said: justsing said: So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over? Not you! Everytime I Q'd you in PvP you were running bishop. But there in lies the problem! We hate to run Bishop but must run Bishop because otherwise we get hit while the other Bishop teams flourish. You can use him every single match and still want him nerfed.See: Pre-nerf Gambit (really that comparison should be enough to at least warrant a look).
acescracked said: justsing said: So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over? Not you! Everytime I Q'd you in PvP you were running bishop.
justsing said: So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over?
LLohm said: and to people telling me Silver Surfer and Ock can be in a state of “cannot be stunned”, there are many powers which hit for very big damage in the color blue in the 4* Arena. Why should people who pay or work hard for their 5* be derailed by 1 faulty broken character?
HoundofShadow said: The whales need to complain.Just expect more safe (or boring) characters to be released.
Sm0keyJ0e said: HoundofShadow said: The whales need to complain.Just expect more safe (or boring) characters to be released. Once again you add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Why is a well-described problem by numerous players who are in the 5* tier, not just "whales" as you say, dismissed as complaining?
Sm0keyJ0e said: LLohm said: and to people telling me Silver Surfer and Ock can be in a state of “cannot be stunned”, there are many powers which hit for very big damage in the color blue in the 4* Arena. Why should people who pay or work hard for their 5* be derailed by 1 faulty broken character? I agree. Furthermore, most folks who have entered the 5* tier in the last couple years likely do not have Surfer or Ock and no feasible way to gather their covers in a reasonable amount of time. On top of that, Surfer or Ock on a team worth anything is basically a grill for all other 5* teams, maybe even some 4* teams.
Borstock said: Sm0keyJ0e said: LLohm said: and to people telling me Silver Surfer and Ock can be in a state of “cannot be stunned”, there are many powers which hit for very big damage in the color blue in the 4* Arena. Why should people who pay or work hard for their 5* be derailed by 1 faulty broken character? I agree. Furthermore, most folks who have entered the 5* tier in the last couple years likely do not have Surfer or Ock and no feasible way to gather their covers in a reasonable amount of time. On top of that, Surfer or Ock on a team worth anything is basically a grill for all other 5* teams, maybe even some 4* teams. The last part of your argument doesn't work for me because, pre-Bishop+Gritty, there was NO reliable defensive team. Every single team could and would get pummeled given time. The only thing that even came CLOSE to a defensive squad was Mr. Cardusa, and the only reason that team was good on defense was because the animations were super long and no one wanted to sit there and watch them. Once they added the feature to disable animations, that team wasn't effective anymore either.If they ever release a no-meta balance, it might be more fun, but it will also make any team you can think of a grill team. That can't be part of the reason to nerf Bishop, IMO.
bluewolf said: @ThaRoadWarrior Sabretooth might have been useful there too.
Daredevil217 said: acescracked said: justsing said: acescracked said: Daredevil217 said: acescracked said: justsing said: So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over? Not you! Everytime I Q'd you in PvP you were running bishop. But there in lies the problem! We hate to run Bishop but must run Bishop because otherwise we get hit while the other Bishop teams flourish. You can use him every single match and still want him nerfed.See: Pre-nerf Gambit (really that comparison should be enough to at least warrant a look). Not even close. If you didn't counter Gambit with your own you had a high rate of losing. You can use alot of different teams to beat a bishop team. Obviously come out beat up a little to alot. Is that why I got hit a bazillion times? Oh wait, the hits stopped once I switched to Bishop. l o lYou can't run Thorkoye, Gritty, or the other teams you actually like running when everyone else is running Bishop teams. That's just painting a big fat target on your forehead. So yeah, I ran Bishop. And hated every minute of it. I skipped you because you help out in the PVE room, not because of bishop...haha. Lesson learned, I'll happily hit your bishop team and give you all the reds you need! If you climb high enough you'll get more from others,Funny you mention "can't run Thorkoye, Gritty" since both of them have had their share of NERF EM! threads. Ever since the community got D3 to nerf Gambit every team now that poses a threat needs to be nerfed. It seems a good percentage of the folks want easy win teams. Gritty teams are like a harder grill and bishop takes a little thought to beat. Stop asking for easy mode. Honest question, how do I as a 5* player with no Surfer/Ock beat Bishop? Any matches I make trigger him for big retal damage and before I know it my team is stun locked and I’m eaten alive by 4 turns of unmitigated strike buffs.
DAZ0273 said: Last you posted your roster you had an 11 cover Ock and a 9 cover Surfer...not trying to be pedantic or anything but that is hardly "no Surfer/Ock" and skews your point a bit here. I understand that you consider these characters "unusable" because they are not champed but if they block the stun they are a Bishop counter, no?
jp1 said: I wonder if Hela punishes blue instead of green, what effect would that have on Bishop. Certainly, it wouldn’t be game breaking.
ThaRoadWarrior said: DAZ0273 said: Last you posted your roster you had an 11 cover Ock and a 9 cover Surfer...not trying to be pedantic or anything but that is hardly "no Surfer/Ock" and skews your point a bit here. I understand that you consider these characters "unusable" because they are not champed but if they block the stun they are a Bishop counter, no? Not to speak out of turn on this, but even with dual 5* MMR, the levels I'm seeing on Bishop, 4ocket, etc when paired with 5*s is astronomical, near max-champ. An unchamped 5* can't hang on my roster.I've tried running a 450 GED with a 2/4/4 405 Lumbercap as an anti-gritty attempt, and lumbercap just gets stomped out before I get the requisite yellow to revive doom. Health pools are too low, and if your build isn't "right," it's as good as not having them.