Nerf Bishop
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acescracked said:justsing said:acescracked said:Daredevil217 said:acescracked said:justsing said:So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over?
See: Pre-nerf Gambit (really that comparison should be enough to at least warrant a look).
You can use alot of different teams to beat a bishop team. Obviously come out beat up a little to alot.
You can't run Thorkoye, Gritty, or the other teams you actually like running when everyone else is running Bishop teams. That's just painting a big fat target on your forehead. So yeah, I ran Bishop. And hated every minute of it.
Funny you mention "can't run Thorkoye, Gritty" since both of them have had their share of NERF EM! threads. Ever since the community got D3 to nerf Gambit every team now that poses a threat needs to be nerfed. It seems a good percentage of the folks want easy win teams. Gritty teams are like a harder grill and bishop takes a little thought to beat. Stop asking for easy mode.0 -
I feel Bishop shouldve had 5* Icemans mechanic where instead of stunning for 4 turns he puts down those single stun CDs when he hits his AP threshold. At least that way you could do something (you know, actually play the game). Then give Bobby a straight 4-turn stun like his 4* counterpart since he actually needs to collect his AP.0
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My take on bishop is this - Why get bigger 5* or even 5*?
bishop is all you need since it counters something as basic as 5* match damage. Try avoiding matching 5* tile damage the whole match!
Spend your money elsewhere instead of chasing 5* since a 4* now is better than a 5* and we should of course all be using that right?
The power set is counter intuitive to the very nature of the game. One aim out of many is to improve our rosters and they in turn earn some money from us doing it.
I am happy all I need is 13 4* covers and anybody wishing to hit me with a 5* gotta suck it.
if this does not describe broken, I rest my case.
and to people telling me Silver Surfer and Ock can be in a state of “cannot be stunned”, there are many powers which hit for very big damage in the color blue in the 4* Arena. Why should people who pay or work hard for their 5* be derailed by 1 faulty broken character?
I am not against punching up. You manage it, kudos to you. But don’t be unfair to the people who are working the game and paying for the lights to be kept on.8 -
I just found a Gritty/Juggernaut team in simulator... he seemed not quite champed, but had decent health. I was able to win with a champion GE Doom/GR RR/Nearly Champed Jessica Jones after both GR and GED were killed (removing the strikes).
Maybe the Bishop meta is on it's way out already, and we'll be able to reconvene in a month or so and complain about Juggernaut...1 -
@ThaRoadWarrior
Sabretooth might have been useful there too.
One problem with Doom is that unless the AI is chasing both black and yellow he's not much good overall. And that AI team would ignore black for the most part.
Juggs will add to the mix of teams but Bishop isn't going anywhere in his current state.0 -
LLohm said:
and to people telling me Silver Surfer and Ock can be in a state of “cannot be stunned”, there are many powers which hit for very big damage in the color blue in the 4* Arena. Why should people who pay or work hard for their 5* be derailed by 1 faulty broken character?
I agree. Furthermore, most folks who have entered the 5* tier in the last couple years likely do not have Surfer or Ock and no feasible way to gather their covers in a reasonable amount of time. On top of that, Surfer or Ock on a team worth anything is basically a grill for all other 5* teams, maybe even some 4* teams.
It's just dumb that there's no reasonable counter, and like I mentioned before, a counter to this guy could be worse and even more game-breaking. Bishop needs the nerf bat.0 -
The whales need to complain.
Just expect safer (or more boring) characters to be released.0 -
HoundofShadow said:The whales need to complain.
Just expect more safe (or boring) characters to be released.
Once again you add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Why is a well-described problem by numerous players who are in the 5* tier, not just "whales" as you say, dismissed as complaining?6 -
HoundofShadow said:The whales need to complain.
Just expect more safe (or boring) characters to be released.
But carry on...5 -
Sm0keyJ0e said:HoundofShadow said:The whales need to complain.
Just expect more safe (or boring) characters to be released.
Once again you add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Why is a well-described problem by numerous players who are in the 5* tier, not just "whales" as you say, dismissed as complaining?
I know I can’t stand him and in the history of the game I’ve never been VIP, spent on one bundle ($20 I think) and have been $2 a month for about 1-2 years. So less than 70 bucks over 4 years is whale territory now?0 -
Sm0keyJ0e said:LLohm said:
and to people telling me Silver Surfer and Ock can be in a state of “cannot be stunned”, there are many powers which hit for very big damage in the color blue in the 4* Arena. Why should people who pay or work hard for their 5* be derailed by 1 faulty broken character?
I agree. Furthermore, most folks who have entered the 5* tier in the last couple years likely do not have Surfer or Ock and no feasible way to gather their covers in a reasonable amount of time. On top of that, Surfer or Ock on a team worth anything is basically a grill for all other 5* teams, maybe even some 4* teams.The last part of your argument doesn't work for me because, pre-Bishop+Gritty, there was NO reliable defensive team. Every single team could and would get pummeled given time. The only thing that even came CLOSE to a defensive squad was Mr. Cardusa, and the only reason that team was good on defense was because the animations were super long and no one wanted to sit there and watch them. Once they added the feature to disable animations, that team wasn't effective anymore either.If they ever release a no-meta balance, it might be more fun, but it will also make any team you can think of a grill team. That can't be part of the reason to nerf Bishop, IMO.0 -
The devs have all kinds of data, including our spending. If the unhappy are mostly made up of players with very minimal spending, and the whales and a bigger percentage of the players are happy with the current situation, then the situation won't be changed. Look at R4G, the call for its nerf has been prevalent for years, and R4G is still putting out 7 strike tiles with zero cost.
If you want to interpret "more" as "all", I can't stop you. Carry on...0 -
Borstock said:Sm0keyJ0e said:LLohm said:
and to people telling me Silver Surfer and Ock can be in a state of “cannot be stunned”, there are many powers which hit for very big damage in the color blue in the 4* Arena. Why should people who pay or work hard for their 5* be derailed by 1 faulty broken character?
I agree. Furthermore, most folks who have entered the 5* tier in the last couple years likely do not have Surfer or Ock and no feasible way to gather their covers in a reasonable amount of time. On top of that, Surfer or Ock on a team worth anything is basically a grill for all other 5* teams, maybe even some 4* teams.The last part of your argument doesn't work for me because, pre-Bishop+Gritty, there was NO reliable defensive team. Every single team could and would get pummeled given time. The only thing that even came CLOSE to a defensive squad was Mr. Cardusa, and the only reason that team was good on defense was because the animations were super long and no one wanted to sit there and watch them. Once they added the feature to disable animations, that team wasn't effective anymore either.If they ever release a no-meta balance, it might be more fun, but it will also make any team you can think of a grill team. That can't be part of the reason to nerf Bishop, IMO.
People with 500+ rosters should not have to use a 453 Surfer or Ock to fight Bishop. Simple as that.0 -
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Daredevil217 said:acescracked said:justsing said:acescracked said:Daredevil217 said:acescracked said:justsing said:So... who else is glad that Bishop’s boost week is over?
See: Pre-nerf Gambit (really that comparison should be enough to at least warrant a look).
You can use alot of different teams to beat a bishop team. Obviously come out beat up a little to alot.
You can't run Thorkoye, Gritty, or the other teams you actually like running when everyone else is running Bishop teams. That's just painting a big fat target on your forehead. So yeah, I ran Bishop. And hated every minute of it.
Funny you mention "can't run Thorkoye, Gritty" since both of them have had their share of NERF EM! threads. Ever since the community got D3 to nerf Gambit every team now that poses a threat needs to be nerfed. It seems a good percentage of the folks want easy win teams. Gritty teams are like a harder grill and bishop takes a little thought to beat. Stop asking for easy mode.
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DAZ0273 said:
I've tried running a 450 GED with a 2/4/4 405 Lumbercap as an anti-gritty attempt, and lumbercap just gets stomped out before I get the requisite yellow to revive doom. Health pools are too low, and if your build isn't "right," it's as good as not having them.1 -
I wonder if Hela punishes blue instead of green, what effect would that have on Bishop. Certainly, it wouldn’t be game breaking.0
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jp1 said:I wonder if Hela punishes blue instead of green, what effect would that have on Bishop. Certainly, it wouldn’t be game breaking.2
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Hela's AP nibble doesn't take a large enough bite to hurt what I assume is the Gladiathor meta; it really just kicks the dead horse that is Banner, and keeps my GRRR from being able to get Hell Ride on the board for a turn.0
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ThaRoadWarrior said:DAZ0273 said:
I've tried running a 450 GED with a 2/4/4 405 Lumbercap as an anti-gritty attempt, and lumbercap just gets stomped out before I get the requisite yellow to revive doom. Health pools are too low, and if your build isn't "right," it's as good as not having them.
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