**** Juggernaut (Fear Itself) ****

Looks like a fitting power set, but I still don't feel like blue is right for that one. I probably would have made his Active black, or made it green and then changed Collateral to black. That said, the Active blue will probably fit into more teams than an Active black or green would have, so it's probably for the best, just aesthetically annoying.

RickOShay said:

Wow that match damage reduction is going to make him relevant against five star teams, as long as you can get him to tank a color or three.

If the match damage reduction is applied before strike tiles are added (which I think is what usually happens for this kind of power?), then Rocket/Kitty based teams may still be effective against him.  Of course, his blue will help in clearing out hard to reach special tiles if they stick around to mid-game.

I think Thorkoye will be pretty good with him 

If you want to know what his matches actually do, multiply his match damage by:
Rank 1/2: 1.4
Rank 3: 1.65
Rank 4: 2
Rank 5: 3.25

And that’s Base damage, like Ghost, rather than an increase on the match, like Vision, Chavez, or Thanos. So at level 270 rank 5 Unstoppable, damage is:
Green: 276
Red: 240
Blue: 211
Team Up: 139
Black: 42
Purple: 39
Yellow: 35

I’ll need to take Blackbird off Kitty, but he will tank green and blue over Gritty in Story, and tanks over them in Versus. I’ll try Chewie on her and try Blackbird on Juggernaut (once he can be Champed.)

Demiurge_Anthony said:

Thanos said:

@Demiurge_Anthony Does his blue really need to cost 11 just for some tile destruction?

It will also do damage from each tile that he destroys. He has a good chance of tanking his colors, so this should do pretty good damage (and ends up getting some sweet cascades too).

Here is a screenshot of lv 270 Juggernaut activating his blue power with 5 power levels.


And this is the destruction and damage that it did.


(everytime I see these screenshots, I have to check to make I am not leaking anything ><)

Thanks for posting this.  You said he does some pretty good damage, but is 2134 direct damage strong for 11 AP in the 4* world?  To compare black cats green does 4570 damage plus a potential 2281 for a total of over 6800 damage for 6 AP s level 270.  For cascades you would need an extra 4K plus damage just to make up that difference and it costs 5 more AP?  

From players perspective this is the way s lot of players look at this power and feel 11 AP is way too expensive and that as a developer you are over valuing board shake and potential cascades.

For 9 red AP, my Domino does 1546 damage PER black tile destroyed (50% of the blacks on the board) as a comparison. that blue power is not what I care about with Juggernaut. His utility is in passive, match-based team damage getting stacked with a force multiplier like Okoye on my roster.

*edit* if his AOE isn't stacking with WF, that sounds like it needs to get fixed. His power does a defined amount of bonus damage, and all the powers that destroy tiles and have that component gain the benefit of wakanda forever. Same with Gatling Gun if it's broken.

wymtime said:

Demiurge_Anthony said:

Thanos said:

@Demiurge_Anthony Does his blue really need to cost 11 just for some tile destruction?

It will also do damage from each tile that he destroys. He has a good chance of tanking his colors, so this should do pretty good damage (and ends up getting some sweet cascades too).

Thanks for posting this.  You said he does some pretty good damage, but is 2134 direct damage strong for 11 AP in the 4* world?  To compare black cats green does 4570 damage plus a potential 2281 for a total of over 6800 damage for 6 AP s level 270.  For cascades you would need an extra 4K plus damage just to make up that difference and it costs 5 more AP?  

From players perspective this is the way s lot of players look at this power and feel 11 AP is way too expensive and that as a developer you are over valuing board shake and potential cascades.

It is overpriced I agree, I think it should cost 9 and have a bit more guaranteed damage.
Now, we need to also consider how much cascade AP you gain from playing it. When you realize that you probably always get at least 3 AP and 6 to 9+ often, that makes this ability much better (on paper), a more reasonable Net cost.
There is good value in choosing the column at power level 5 (I'm not yet convinced you would want to reduce his other powers though). 
Also, he could have been designed to accelerate his blue, by gaining 1 blue AP when a condition happens. Or even better, if the cost is reduced by 1 each per condition. Perhaps the cost would get reduced by 1 when a match-4 happens against him, a friendly/enemy power is fired, teammate stunned, etc. I think expensive powers are fine when the character has a way to help fuel it.

So, let's compare this to a few other board shake powers with some level of damage component, or -potential- damage and AP gains:
Low to mid damage with cascade potential: Domino, Th4nos, Carnage, Venom, XFW, and Howard, green abilities, Quake blue. Most of these are less expensive, but do not necessarily guarantee more damage than Juggs.

Color change or swap abilities with cascade potential: Medusa, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Hulkbuster, Sandman, more. Less expensive, but you may Gain nothing.

TA Hulk: Medium damage for 13 green AP, requires 12 blue for big damage, targeted 3x3 block, fueled by passive (could be a great partner for Juggs). 

Far superior: 
Rogue red: for 12 AP she deals guaranteed damage, chosen 3x3, gains 9 AP and potentially more.
Shuri green, Gwenpool purple, and many more of course.


TLDR; Juggs 11 AP cost blue ability might be fair when considering potential cascade AP gains, but should have be designed with a way to reduce it's cost, or have higher guaranteed damage. 

RickOShay said:

Wow that match damage reduction is going to make him relevant against five star teams, as long as you can get him to tank a color or three.

So one of the big questions remains, will Okoye add to his passive AOE damage?

Juggernaut's power Collateral Damage will not activate Okoye's power Wakanda Forever as it is associated with making a match.

So, hypothetically, would the game crash if it became a 1on 1 between new Juggernaut and Nightcrawler?  Or does the same condition on Okoye's power apply to Nightcrawler's AOE avoidance power?