If your complaint about Gritty is "It's so annoying fighting the same team over and over", then you don't have a complaint because even if both are nerfed tomorrow, something else will just take their place as the new "best team".
Grocket and Kitty are both fine, both easily counterable, and they are essential to keeping PVE playable. Leave them be.
NotBAMF said: If your complaint about Gritty is "It's so annoying fighting the same team over and over", then you don't have a complaint because even if both are nerfed tomorrow, something else will just take their place as the new "best team". Grocket and Kitty are both fine, both easily counterable, and they are essential to keeping PVE playable. Leave them be.
Polares said: NotBAMF said: If your complaint about Gritty is "It's so annoying fighting the same team over and over", then you don't have a complaint because even if both are nerfed tomorrow, something else will just take their place as the new "best team". Grocket and Kitty are both fine, both easily counterable, and they are essential to keeping PVE playable. Leave them be. No, it is about a team combination that it is completely broken ( the same as Gambit was, or 3 Magneto, or Ragnarok). They are broken, and you know it. When a 4 (not buffed) and a 5 team can obliterate full 5 teams and the most strong PvE enemies without problems (and without firing a power) you know there is something wrong. And in Shield the team is two 4s and one 5! And Bishop is even better if he is not completely leveled. Even more broken!You know they only reason you dont want them nerfed is because they let you clear boards (specially in PvE) super fast. But I will ask you, what is the point? Do you even fire a power? Do you find it fun to play Gritty? It is like playing a game with God mode On.If you read my comment, you probably saw that I also requested buff fors 5s in PvP, so the meta shifts a bit (like they did for 4s, when te game was also getting stale three years ago). I get we didnt get buffs for 5s when there were just 4 or 5 and OML dominated. But nowadays, Why the f. we dont have buffs for 5s? At least we would have different teams every week!
It's not completely broken.
It's not even remotely close to completely broken.
As many, many other folks in this thread have said, they are eminently beatable and counterable. People are more upset about having to use health packs and/or change their go-to team between battles than they are that the Gritty team is somehow broken and unbeatable.
Comparing them to Gambit is not even in the same realm as close. Gambit was in a broken class all by himself. That's not a good comparison at all. You needed Gambit to beat Gambit. You can beat Gritty with any number of other teams. Again, scroll through the thread. You'll see whole lists of teams that defeat Gritty.
And using Gritty in PVE is not God Mode; as others have stated here, using literally almost any 5* in PVE is better/faster than Gritty for 4* players. But Gritty is the only thing 4* players have to even help bridge the gap somewhat. So that's hardly "God Mode". Are you a 5* player? Do you use your 3* characters in PVE because using your "god mode" 5*'s makes it boring?
You want to talk broken? PVE is broken. Having to clear the same nodes for multiple times in a hurry at specific times of day? It's repetitive, boring, stressful, and tedious. So yes, Gritty makes it tolerable. PVE is awful, and Gritty is the only reason I still play it, personally.
I do agree Bishop is problematic. If they felt a need to nerf Bishop, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But Grocket and/or Kitty? Nah.
NotBAMF said:I do agree Bishop is problematic. If they felt a need to nerf Bishop, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But Grocket and/or Kitty? Nah.
NotBAMF said: Polares said: NotBAMF said: If your complaint about Gritty is "It's so annoying fighting the same team over and over", then you don't have a complaint because even if both are nerfed tomorrow, something else will just take their place as the new "best team". Grocket and Kitty are both fine, both easily counterable, and they are essential to keeping PVE playable. Leave them be. No, it is about a team combination that it is completely broken ( the same as Gambit was, or 3 Magneto, or Ragnarok). They are broken, and you know it. When a 4 (not buffed) and a 5 team can obliterate full 5 teams and the most strong PvE enemies without problems (and without firing a power) you know there is something wrong. And in Shield the team is two 4s and one 5! And Bishop is even better if he is not completely leveled. Even more broken!You know they only reason you dont want them nerfed is because they let you clear boards (specially in PvE) super fast. But I will ask you, what is the point? Do you even fire a power? Do you find it fun to play Gritty? It is like playing a game with God mode On.If you read my comment, you probably saw that I also requested buff fors 5s in PvP, so the meta shifts a bit (like they did for 4s, when te game was also getting stale three years ago). I get we didnt get buffs for 5s when there were just 4 or 5 and OML dominated. But nowadays, Why the f. we dont have buffs for 5s? At least we would have different teams every week! It's not completely broken.It's not even remotely close to completely broken.As many, many other folks in this thread have said, they are eminently beatable and counterable. People are more upset about having to use health packs and/or change their go-to team between battles than they are that the Gritty team is somehow broken and unbeatable.Comparing them to Gambit is not even in the same realm as close. Gambit was in a broken class all by himself. That's not a good comparison at all. You needed Gambit to beat Gambit. You can beat Gritty with any number of other teams. Again, scroll through the thread. You'll see whole lists of teams that defeat Gritty.And using Gritty in PVE is not God Mode; as others have stated here, using literally almost any 5* in PVE is better/faster than Gritty for 4* players. But Gritty is the only thing 4* players have to even help bridge the gap somewhat. So that's hardly "God Mode". Are you a 5* player? Do you use your 3* characters in PVE because using your "god mode" 5*'s makes it boring? You want to talk broken? PVE is broken. Having to clear the same nodes for multiple times in a hurry at specific times of day? It's repetitive, boring, stressful, and tedious. So yes, Gritty makes it tolerable. PVE is awful, and Gritty is the only reason I still play it, personally. I do agree Bishop is problematic. If they felt a need to nerf Bishop, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But Grocket and/or Kitty? Nah.
OJSP said: Polares said:If you read my comment, you probably saw that I also requested buff fors 5s in PvP, so the meta shifts a bit (like they did for 4s, when te game was also getting stale three years ago). I get we didnt get buffs for 5s when there were just 4 or 5 and OML dominated. But nowadays, Why dont have buffs for 5s? At least we would have different teams every week! This is an interesting point. I suppose it would make some characters more usable as they could hit harder than usual, but how big of a level boost are we talking about? Using my own roster as an example and how I play with my 5*s, with Classic characters roughly 10-20 levels higher than Thor, Okoye, and Kitty (let's call them the big three) I can confidently say, they are still massively behind in the power curve. To make the older ones comparable and to allow them to beat the big three reliably, I think they need to be boosted at least 30 levels. So, what happens to people with only the older 5*s when the big three are boosted 30 levels?Smaller level boosts might be fine to some characters like Hawkeye, DD or even BSSM to specifically counter Kitty, but that wouldn't do much to help others.Wasp or arguably Banner might need a bigger level boost to be relevant.
Polares said:If you read my comment, you probably saw that I also requested buff fors 5s in PvP, so the meta shifts a bit (like they did for 4s, when te game was also getting stale three years ago). I get we didnt get buffs for 5s when there were just 4 or 5 and OML dominated. But nowadays, Why dont have buffs for 5s? At least we would have different teams every week!
Polares said: NotBAMF said: Polares said: NotBAMF said: If your complaint about Gritty is "It's so annoying fighting the same team over and over", then you don't have a complaint because even if both are nerfed tomorrow, something else will just take their place as the new "best team". Grocket and Kitty are both fine, both easily counterable, and they are essential to keeping PVE playable. Leave them be. No, it is about a team combination that it is completely broken ( the same as Gambit was, or 3 Magneto, or Ragnarok). They are broken, and you know it. When a 4 (not buffed) and a 5 team can obliterate full 5 teams and the most strong PvE enemies without problems (and without firing a power) you know there is something wrong. And in Shield the team is two 4s and one 5! And Bishop is even better if he is not completely leveled. Even more broken!You know they only reason you dont want them nerfed is because they let you clear boards (specially in PvE) super fast. But I will ask you, what is the point? Do you even fire a power? Do you find it fun to play Gritty? It is like playing a game with God mode On.If you read my comment, you probably saw that I also requested buff fors 5s in PvP, so the meta shifts a bit (like they did for 4s, when te game was also getting stale three years ago). I get we didnt get buffs for 5s when there were just 4 or 5 and OML dominated. But nowadays, Why the f. we dont have buffs for 5s? At least we would have different teams every week! It's not completely broken.It's not even remotely close to completely broken.As many, many other folks in this thread have said, they are eminently beatable and counterable. People are more upset about having to use health packs and/or change their go-to team between battles than they are that the Gritty team is somehow broken and unbeatable.Comparing them to Gambit is not even in the same realm as close. Gambit was in a broken class all by himself. That's not a good comparison at all. You needed Gambit to beat Gambit. You can beat Gritty with any number of other teams. Again, scroll through the thread. You'll see whole lists of teams that defeat Gritty.And using Gritty in PVE is not God Mode; as others have stated here, using literally almost any 5* in PVE is better/faster than Gritty for 4* players. But Gritty is the only thing 4* players have to even help bridge the gap somewhat. So that's hardly "God Mode". Are you a 5* player? Do you use your 3* characters in PVE because using your "god mode" 5*'s makes it boring? You want to talk broken? PVE is broken. Having to clear the same nodes for multiple times in a hurry at specific times of day? It's repetitive, boring, stressful, and tedious. So yes, Gritty makes it tolerable. PVE is awful, and Gritty is the only reason I still play it, personally. I do agree Bishop is problematic. If they felt a need to nerf Bishop, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But Grocket and/or Kitty? Nah. Were you here when 3 star Magneto was reworked? Would you say he was broken? Was he beatable? (the answers are obiously yes he was op, and yes he was beatable). The same goes for 3 star Spidey, and some of the other real OP chars (not like poor OML nerfed without reason).A team might be OP and still be countereable or beatable (mostly because AI is stupid). A team is OP when it can easily punch trough a category above them (that is I think a great definition for OP in games). With Gritty you can easily won 5 stars teams, and not just that you can even won 550 level 5s. That says it all. A 4 and a 5 at base levels can beat 550 level teams. Try to do the same with any other combination of a 4 and a 5. Even with two 450 level 5s you are going to have serious problems.And sure PvE is boring, but it ALWAYS has been like that, this is nothing new. This game has always been about repetition. To be fair, I think the game is now way worse than it used to be, as you dont even need to think while playing, you just match tiles and you win, which makes it even more tedious. i still don't understand why Devs changed PvE so 5 matches were needed to get the max CP they made a big big mistake, that was pretty dumb.
So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with.
Malcrof said: So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with. Link to video? i want to see this team in action since my loki is low key sad.
tiomono said: Malcrof said: So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with. Link to video? i want to see this team in action since my loki is low key sad. Granted Carol does alot here as well generating more purple for the Loki death machine.
Malcrof said: tiomono said: Malcrof said: So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with. Link to video? i want to see this team in action since my loki is low key sad. Granted Carol does alot here as well generating more purple for the Loki death machine. Using the Carol yellow on SW is semi genius, never would have thought of it, always used it on her cd lol, thank you for this, no Loki, but now 4arol//sw are going to have some fun in the next PVE
tiomono said: Polares said: NotBAMF said: Polares said: NotBAMF said: If your complaint about Gritty is "It's so annoying fighting the same team over and over", then you don't have a complaint because even if both are nerfed tomorrow, something else will just take their place as the new "best team". Grocket and Kitty are both fine, both easily counterable, and they are essential to keeping PVE playable. Leave them be. No, it is about a team combination that it is completely broken ( the same as Gambit was, or 3 Magneto, or Ragnarok). They are broken, and you know it. When a 4 (not buffed) and a 5 team can obliterate full 5 teams and the most strong PvE enemies without problems (and without firing a power) you know there is something wrong. And in Shield the team is two 4s and one 5! And Bishop is even better if he is not completely leveled. Even more broken!You know they only reason you dont want them nerfed is because they let you clear boards (specially in PvE) super fast. But I will ask you, what is the point? Do you even fire a power? Do you find it fun to play Gritty? It is like playing a game with God mode On.If you read my comment, you probably saw that I also requested buff fors 5s in PvP, so the meta shifts a bit (like they did for 4s, when te game was also getting stale three years ago). I get we didnt get buffs for 5s when there were just 4 or 5 and OML dominated. But nowadays, Why the f. we dont have buffs for 5s? At least we would have different teams every week! It's not completely broken.It's not even remotely close to completely broken.As many, many other folks in this thread have said, they are eminently beatable and counterable. People are more upset about having to use health packs and/or change their go-to team between battles than they are that the Gritty team is somehow broken and unbeatable.Comparing them to Gambit is not even in the same realm as close. Gambit was in a broken class all by himself. That's not a good comparison at all. You needed Gambit to beat Gambit. You can beat Gritty with any number of other teams. Again, scroll through the thread. You'll see whole lists of teams that defeat Gritty.And using Gritty in PVE is not God Mode; as others have stated here, using literally almost any 5* in PVE is better/faster than Gritty for 4* players. But Gritty is the only thing 4* players have to even help bridge the gap somewhat. So that's hardly "God Mode". Are you a 5* player? Do you use your 3* characters in PVE because using your "god mode" 5*'s makes it boring? You want to talk broken? PVE is broken. Having to clear the same nodes for multiple times in a hurry at specific times of day? It's repetitive, boring, stressful, and tedious. So yes, Gritty makes it tolerable. PVE is awful, and Gritty is the only reason I still play it, personally. I do agree Bishop is problematic. If they felt a need to nerf Bishop, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But Grocket and/or Kitty? Nah. Were you here when 3 star Magneto was reworked? Would you say he was broken? Was he beatable? (the answers are obiously yes he was op, and yes he was beatable). The same goes for 3 star Spidey, and some of the other real OP chars (not like poor OML nerfed without reason).A team might be OP and still be countereable or beatable (mostly because AI is stupid). A team is OP when it can easily punch trough a category above them (that is I think a great definition for OP in games). With Gritty you can easily won 5 stars teams, and not just that you can even won 550 level 5s. That says it all. A 4 and a 5 at base levels can beat 550 level teams. Try to do the same with any other combination of a 4 and a 5. Even with two 450 level 5s you are going to have serious problems.And sure PvE is boring, but it ALWAYS has been like that, this is nothing new. This game has always been about repetition. To be fair, I think the game is now way worse than it used to be, as you dont even need to think while playing, you just match tiles and you win, which makes it even more tedious. i still don't understand why Devs changed PvE so 5 matches were needed to get the max CP they made a big big mistake, that was pretty dumb. So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with.
Polares said: tiomono said: Polares said: NotBAMF said: Polares said: NotBAMF said: If your complaint about Gritty is "It's so annoying fighting the same team over and over", then you don't have a complaint because even if both are nerfed tomorrow, something else will just take their place as the new "best team". Grocket and Kitty are both fine, both easily counterable, and they are essential to keeping PVE playable. Leave them be. No, it is about a team combination that it is completely broken ( the same as Gambit was, or 3 Magneto, or Ragnarok). They are broken, and you know it. When a 4 (not buffed) and a 5 team can obliterate full 5 teams and the most strong PvE enemies without problems (and without firing a power) you know there is something wrong. And in Shield the team is two 4s and one 5! And Bishop is even better if he is not completely leveled. Even more broken!You know they only reason you dont want them nerfed is because they let you clear boards (specially in PvE) super fast. But I will ask you, what is the point? Do you even fire a power? Do you find it fun to play Gritty? It is like playing a game with God mode On.If you read my comment, you probably saw that I also requested buff fors 5s in PvP, so the meta shifts a bit (like they did for 4s, when te game was also getting stale three years ago). I get we didnt get buffs for 5s when there were just 4 or 5 and OML dominated. But nowadays, Why the f. we dont have buffs for 5s? At least we would have different teams every week! It's not completely broken.It's not even remotely close to completely broken.As many, many other folks in this thread have said, they are eminently beatable and counterable. People are more upset about having to use health packs and/or change their go-to team between battles than they are that the Gritty team is somehow broken and unbeatable.Comparing them to Gambit is not even in the same realm as close. Gambit was in a broken class all by himself. That's not a good comparison at all. You needed Gambit to beat Gambit. You can beat Gritty with any number of other teams. Again, scroll through the thread. You'll see whole lists of teams that defeat Gritty.And using Gritty in PVE is not God Mode; as others have stated here, using literally almost any 5* in PVE is better/faster than Gritty for 4* players. But Gritty is the only thing 4* players have to even help bridge the gap somewhat. So that's hardly "God Mode". Are you a 5* player? Do you use your 3* characters in PVE because using your "god mode" 5*'s makes it boring? You want to talk broken? PVE is broken. Having to clear the same nodes for multiple times in a hurry at specific times of day? It's repetitive, boring, stressful, and tedious. So yes, Gritty makes it tolerable. PVE is awful, and Gritty is the only reason I still play it, personally. I do agree Bishop is problematic. If they felt a need to nerf Bishop, I wouldn't be opposed to that. But Grocket and/or Kitty? Nah. Were you here when 3 star Magneto was reworked? Would you say he was broken? Was he beatable? (the answers are obiously yes he was op, and yes he was beatable). The same goes for 3 star Spidey, and some of the other real OP chars (not like poor OML nerfed without reason).A team might be OP and still be countereable or beatable (mostly because AI is stupid). A team is OP when it can easily punch trough a category above them (that is I think a great definition for OP in games). With Gritty you can easily won 5 stars teams, and not just that you can even won 550 level 5s. That says it all. A 4 and a 5 at base levels can beat 550 level teams. Try to do the same with any other combination of a 4 and a 5. Even with two 450 level 5s you are going to have serious problems.And sure PvE is boring, but it ALWAYS has been like that, this is nothing new. This game has always been about repetition. To be fair, I think the game is now way worse than it used to be, as you dont even need to think while playing, you just match tiles and you win, which makes it even more tedious. i still don't understand why Devs changed PvE so 5 matches were needed to get the max CP they made a big big mistake, that was pretty dumb. So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with. tinykitty man! So a 5 a 4 and a 3 beat a 5 and 4, how is that punching through a category above them ?!?!? Also, I will add, speed is a big issue here. You might win with a team of 4s a team of 5s, but usually you need A LOT of time, and strategy.So let me add, to the rule, in no time and with 0 strategy, to make it even more clear.A team is OP when it can easily punch trough a category above them super fast and with almost no strategy required.
tiomono said: Malcrof said: So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with. Link to video? i want to see this team in action since my loki is low key sad. https://youtu.be/Bgmm8ZtO75gGranted Carol does alot here as well generating more purple for the Loki death machine.
moss04 said: tiomono said: Malcrof said: So punching above your tier is op and needs to be dealt with? There is a video with 5* Loki, 4* Carol, and 3* scarlet witch dismantling gritty with nico. That says it all. When you have a 3 star on a team easily beating 5*s something must be done. Scarloki is op and needs to be dealt with. Link to video? i want to see this team in action since my loki is low key sad. https://youtu.be/Bgmm8ZtO75gGranted Carol does alot here as well generating more purple for the Loki death machine. This is an egregiously bad example as a large amount of luck was required for this to play out this way. Firstly, they managed to destroy most of the strike tiles with the first few moves and with random placement of SW's CD adding extra matches. That's lucky and won't often play out that way. Secondly, because the SW's CD got matched away a few times and they got their yellow quickly they managed to trigger the CD before Kitty's circuit breaker ate it. That also won't normally happen and bringing SW to a gritty match is usually a recipe for eating a diaper full of damage from circuit breaker.