Laeuftbeidir said: Well, the issue isn't that it leads to an auto loss or can't be dealt with.. The issue is that it's an auto include. Do you have any blue deck without it? No? Me neither.
MTG_Mage said: hmm, the paper card only gets mana from artifacts, but the mtgpq card converts for any support. Why did they not specify the support sub-type artifact? They have specified sub-types in all cards since they came out, but didnt with this one. It itself has sub-types enchantment/land so it shouldnt even get its own bonus.This card really does need adjusting and everyone knows it.
FindingHeart8 said: MTG_Mage said: hmm, the paper card only gets mana from artifacts, but the mtgpq card converts for any support. Why did they not specify the support sub-type artifact? They have specified sub-types in all cards since they came out, but didnt with this one. It itself has sub-types enchantment/land so it shouldnt even get its own bonus.This card really does need adjusting and everyone knows it. If you play paper mtg, you know that artifacts are insanely easier to cast there than in mtgpq. You also don't run the risk in paper mtg of StV accidentally destroying your other artifacts, which is a problem you can frequently encounter in mtgpq.The developers took a different route on StV that still managed to meet the same outcome that it should in paper mtg.Before the update where treasures/clues would be targeted with support destruction before an actual support-card itself I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. But since that update it's easier to destroy StV, the card has already been "adjusted."Now when I lose to StV, I don't blame the card, I blame the fact that I didn't put support destruction in my deck.
wereotter said: FindingHeart8 said: MTG_Mage said: hmm, the paper card only gets mana from artifacts, but the mtgpq card converts for any support. Why did they not specify the support sub-type artifact? They have specified sub-types in all cards since they came out, but didnt with this one. It itself has sub-types enchantment/land so it shouldnt even get its own bonus.This card really does need adjusting and everyone knows it. If you play paper mtg, you know that artifacts are insanely easier to cast there than in mtgpq. You also don't run the risk in paper mtg of StV accidentally destroying your other artifacts, which is a problem you can frequently encounter in mtgpq.The developers took a different route on StV that still managed to meet the same outcome that it should in paper mtg.Before the update where treasures/clues would be targeted with support destruction before an actual support-card itself I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. But since that update it's easier to destroy StV, the card has already been "adjusted."Now when I lose to StV, I don't blame the card, I blame the fact that I didn't put support destruction in my deck. Also.... I could be wrong here, but I don't think they introduced the artifact subtype to the cards until Dominaria so that it could line up with cards that care about being historic. Hence Storm the Vault couldn't look for artifacts. This, however, could easily be adjusted where it has to look for how many artifacts, specifically, you control in order to flip, and it only converts gems to blue based on how many artifacts.OR another possible adjustment could be rather than converting gems to blue, it raises your blue mana bonus by +x, equal to the number of artifacts you control.