Phumade said:Plus if we saw evidence that a dev was tapping, then we would settle the question of whether tapping is a dev approved tactic.
tiomono said: Phumade said:Plus if we saw evidence that a dev was tapping, then we would settle the question of whether tapping is a dev approved tactic. But we have that confirmation from will that at least he does not like it without knowing exactly what he does in game.If they want to share that's great. I just do not think they should have to. I see alot of pros and cons both ways.
Phumade said: tiomono said: Phumade said:Plus if we saw evidence that a dev was tapping, then we would settle the question of whether tapping is a dev approved tactic. But we have that confirmation from will that at least he does not like it without knowing exactly what he does in game.If they want to share that's great. I just do not think they should have to. I see alot of pros and cons both ways. LOL, thats a statement from Will, not his actual activity log or play history.and while I don't want to make this political.Need we remind ourselves who the current President of USA is and reflect on whether its wise to just accept blind statementsLOL.
tiomono said: Phumade said: tiomono said: Phumade said:Plus if we saw evidence that a dev was tapping, then we would settle the question of whether tapping is a dev approved tactic. But we have that confirmation from will that at least he does not like it without knowing exactly what he does in game.If they want to share that's great. I just do not think they should have to. I see alot of pros and cons both ways. LOL, thats a statement from Will, not his actual activity log or play history.and while I don't want to make this political.Need we remind ourselves who the current President of USA is and reflect on whether its wise to just accept blind statementsLOL. Yes that's what I said. So at least one voice in the office does not like tapping. Unless you just want to assume everything they tell us could be a lie so there' no point in them talking to us anyway.It may be naive but I like to actually believe what people tell me unless I have some other proof to the contrary. In the case of Will not liking tapping if another dev was on here saying it's ok then I would question it. I do not believe the devs would be ok with one or two people speaking on the forums but just spouting lies that do not actually represent the dev teams view.
Phumade said: tiomono said: Phumade said: tiomono said: Phumade said:Plus if we saw evidence that a dev was tapping, then we would settle the question of whether tapping is a dev approved tactic. But we have that confirmation from will that at least he does not like it without knowing exactly what he does in game.If they want to share that's great. I just do not think they should have to. I see alot of pros and cons both ways. LOL, thats a statement from Will, not his actual activity log or play history.and while I don't want to make this political.Need we remind ourselves who the current President of USA is and reflect on whether its wise to just accept blind statementsLOL. Yes that's what I said. So at least one voice in the office does not like tapping. Unless you just want to assume everything they tell us could be a lie so there' no point in them talking to us anyway.It may be naive but I like to actually believe what people tell me unless I have some other proof to the contrary. In the case of Will not liking tapping if another dev was on here saying it's ok then I would question it. I do not believe the devs would be ok with one or two people speaking on the forums but just spouting lies that do not actually represent the dev teams view. Ugh your last sentence is probably the precise reason why people want to know in game name and correlate those actions with past statements.Are the Devs saying one thing and doing another?And as the proverb goes. Actions speak louder than words. I'm pretty sure I understand what they have said about their design goals and intents. now I'm curious about whether their in game actions are consistent with those stated goals and actions plans.
Daredevil217 said: Phumade said: tiomono said: Phumade said: tiomono said: Phumade said:Plus if we saw evidence that a dev was tapping, then we would settle the question of whether tapping is a dev approved tactic. But we have that confirmation from will that at least he does not like it without knowing exactly what he does in game.If they want to share that's great. I just do not think they should have to. I see alot of pros and cons both ways. LOL, thats a statement from Will, not his actual activity log or play history.and while I don't want to make this political.Need we remind ourselves who the current President of USA is and reflect on whether its wise to just accept blind statementsLOL. Yes that's what I said. So at least one voice in the office does not like tapping. Unless you just want to assume everything they tell us could be a lie so there' no point in them talking to us anyway.It may be naive but I like to actually believe what people tell me unless I have some other proof to the contrary. In the case of Will not liking tapping if another dev was on here saying it's ok then I would question it. I do not believe the devs would be ok with one or two people speaking on the forums but just spouting lies that do not actually represent the dev teams view. Ugh your last sentence is probably the precise reason why people want to know in game name and correlate those actions with past statements.Are the Devs saying one thing and doing another?And as the proverb goes. Actions speak louder than words. I'm pretty sure I understand what they have said about their design goals and intents. now I'm curious about whether their in game actions are consistent with those stated goals and actions plans. And you in turn show me precisely why they shouldn’t. If a developer who plays the game in their free time chooses to tap it does not mean that they speak for the entire team. There are plenty of players who hate tapping and want to see it go away but do it. Maybe developer X feels the same way. And before you say well developer X could change it if he wants, they have to dedicate time and resources to whatever the bosses tell them (supports, push infinity war, etc.) and have to go through the proper protocols (testing, analysis, etc.). Heck, a developer tapping could be part of their testing for all we know. Actions don’t always speak louder than words, especially when you have no idea what the intention is behind said actions. In your previous post you mention that if a developer plays Star-Lord, it might mean something to you and maybe you’d give him a second look, when maybe that developer is just a fan of the character? You mentioned that maybe you could glean information into future plans (like an airborne specialist in the 5* tier) by tracking how developers play the game. I wouldn’t want people taking my actions out of context or reading more into it than is there. And while I know I don’t have the power to stop people from choosing their own narratives, I wouldn’t want to feed it either, and giving the information people are asking for would do just that.
Phumade said:If he's a fan of star lord, shouldn't he have to mention that bias in a general article meant to inform? No. He shouldn’t have to justify the use of each character he chooses to play to me or anyone else. Whether he likes the character, is testing for the game, thinks they are meta or whatever, explaining each decision they make on their own personal time (as to not allow conspiracies to run rampant) is a waste of their time IMO. I’d rather they do some character buffs! (I know most journalist would say full disclosure) Knowing that he's a fan of star lord tells me I can safely ignore his star lord recommendation at first glance.But ironically you’d have to trust their word... which you seem to be struggling with. You keep mentioning how you wouldn't want people misunderstanding your actions out of context. But the truth is is not about your feelings or even the developer's feelings.Its about "Can we take the developer's words as a reliable guideline?"Some things I do. Some things I don’t. I do believe that OML’s nerf was in part due to health packs. I do think ending vaulting was in part because people were covering characters too fast. I think there’s a lot they don’t say or want us to know and they pick and choose what to share. I’m ultimately okay with that because they are a business and have to protect their bottom line. Plus it doesn’t effect my enjoyment of the game. Do prior results indicate consistency between past statements and past actions?You want the forum to give the devs the benefit of the doubt?Then demonstrate that their actions are actually consistent with their words and practices. I know of no simpler way to establish truthfulness and trust?Isn’t the onus on you to find instances where they have been untruthful and untrustworthy? Or are they guilty until proven innocent?This reminds me of the jealous partner who says, “if you have nothing to hide then you’d let me read all your emails, see your call logs: and see all your Facebook messages. Oh, and then the onus is on you to explain each one. Then I’ll trust you even though you’ve not given me a reason not to.
Daredevil217 said: Phumade said:If he's a fan of star lord, shouldn't he have to mention that bias in a general article meant to inform? No. He shouldn’t have to justify the use of each character he chooses to play to me or anyone else. Whether he likes the character, is testing for the game, thinks they are meta or whatever, explaining each decision they make on their own personal time (as to not allow conspiracies to run rampant) is a waste of their time IMO. I’d rather they do some character buffs! (I know most journalist would say full disclosure) Knowing that he's a fan of star lord tells me I can safely ignore his star lord recommendation at first glance.But ironically you’d have to trust their word... which you seem to be struggling with. You keep mentioning how you wouldn't want people misunderstanding your actions out of context. But the truth is is not about your feelings or even the developer's feelings.Its about "Can we take the developer's words as a reliable guideline?"Some things I do. Some things I don’t. I do believe that OML’s nerf was in part due to health packs. I do think ending vaulting was in part because people were covering characters too fast. I think there’s a lot they don’t say or want us to know and they pick and choose what to share. I’m ultimately okay with that because they are a business and have to protect their bottom line. Plus it doesn’t effect my enjoyment of the game. Do prior results indicate consistency between past statements and past actions?You want the forum to give the devs the benefit of the doubt?Then demonstrate that their actions are actually consistent with their words and practices. I know of no simpler way to establish truthfulness and trust?Isn’t the onus on you to find instances where they have been untruthful and untrustworthy? Or are they guilty until proven innocent?This reminds me of the jealous partner who says, “if you have nothing to hide then you’d let me read all your emails, see your call logs: and see all your Facebook messages. Oh, and then the onus is on you to explain each one. Then I’ll trust you even though you’ve not given me a reason not to.
HoundofShadow said: Do the developers have to live-stream what they do in office every day, report to the players what their schedule are six months or one year in advance, invite players to sit beside them while they are working or invite players for each meeting they have to attend?