Quebbster wrote: Polares wrote: Hey Quebbster what did you do in the end? And was it a good decision? Luck has awarded me the exact same configuration as you had 5/1/4 (and another green I had to waste ) so I can bring her to 405 If I want but I just have one purple cover which is by far not her best build I already have a 405 level OML so she would be a nice partner, but I am worried about MMR (fighting just 450 teams in PvP? no thanks) and PvE scaling (450+ level muscles? Again, no thanks). Right now both of them are quite sweet, so I don't want to mess with them too much, if things are not going to be for the better... PS: Input from other people with two 5s at this 400 level would be greatly appreciated. My Phoenix is still at base level, I focused on my fourstar roster first and only just now got OML up to level 330. Ironically I am getting the green Phoenix cover in tomorrow's resupply. I also got a fifth and sixth red cover from legendary tokens...
Polares wrote: Hey Quebbster what did you do in the end? And was it a good decision? Luck has awarded me the exact same configuration as you had 5/1/4 (and another green I had to waste ) so I can bring her to 405 If I want but I just have one purple cover which is by far not her best build I already have a 405 level OML so she would be a nice partner, but I am worried about MMR (fighting just 450 teams in PvP? no thanks) and PvE scaling (450+ level muscles? Again, no thanks). Right now both of them are quite sweet, so I don't want to mess with them too much, if things are not going to be for the better... PS: Input from other people with two 5s at this 400 level would be greatly appreciated.
Polares wrote: Quebbster wrote: Polares wrote: Hey Quebbster what did you do in the end? And was it a good decision? Luck has awarded me the exact same configuration as you had 5/1/4 (and another green I had to waste ) so I can bring her to 405 If I want but I just have one purple cover which is by far not her best build I already have a 405 level OML so she would be a nice partner, but I am worried about MMR (fighting just 450 teams in PvP? no thanks) and PvE scaling (450+ level muscles? Again, no thanks). Right now both of them are quite sweet, so I don't want to mess with them too much, if things are not going to be for the better... PS: Input from other people with two 5s at this 400 level would be greatly appreciated. My Phoenix is still at base level, I focused on my fourstar roster first and only just now got OML up to level 330. Ironically I am getting the green Phoenix cover in tomorrow's resupply. I also got a fifth and sixth red cover from legendary tokens... So you have her at 5/1/5? Random is really GREAT sometimes... PS: It would be very nice if we could change the color of the 5s cover we get when they are over 5. Having a 5/1/5 or 5/2/5 char and keep getting the same covers over and over again and having to sell them for just 2000 iso is going to be really annoying.
SnowcaTT wrote: I guess I should start trying mine? I have a 1/5/1 Phoenix as my best 5* (along with 5/0/0 SS, RNG has been brutal to me). I could run her alongside Cyc or HB for a red user, just doesn't pass an eye test as a good/scary team to me.
SnowcaTT wrote: SnowcaTT wrote: I guess I should start trying mine? I have a 1/5/1 Phoenix as my best 5* (along with 5/0/0 SS, RNG has been brutal to me). I could run her alongside Cyc or HB for a red user, just doesn't pass an eye test as a good/scary team to me. I read all of the folks wishing they had Purple and wanting purple as the daily drop cover....I want anything except that! Red would have been best for me, that Green (eventually) will do - probably will still need it in 6ish months. RNG has been kind to me after this, continuing to grant me Phoenix in batches. One set of pulls and I went to 2/5/2. A later set of pulls I went to 3/5/3 (to bad my SS RNG went to 6/0/0 in the meantime...all with the wish that 6th or higher cover to be re-colored!) It's finally time to level her; I had her at 300 for quite some time and I started putting all ISO into her on the last day of LR's last week, I'll have her at 355 or so by the end of LR's this week. Looking forward to having a usable 5* at last, just don't know where to stop leveling to get in a range where 4* teams don't hit me as much in Sim, but I don't see 5* teams only!
SnowcaTT wrote: SnowcaTT wrote: I guess I should start trying mine? I have a 1/5/1 Phoenix as my best 5* (along with 5/0/0 SS, RNG has been brutal to me). I could run her alongside Cyc or HB for a red user, just doesn't pass an eye test as a good/scary team to me. It's finally time to level her; I had her at 300 for quite some time and I started putting all ISO into her on the last day of LR's last week, I'll have her at 355 or so by the end of LR's this week. Looking forward to having a usable 5* at last, just don't know where to stop leveling to get in a range where 4* teams don't hit me as much in Sim, but I don't see 5* teams only!
Phumade wrote: SnowcaTT wrote: It's finally time to level her; I had her at 300 for quite some time and I started putting all ISO into her on the last day of LR's last week, I'll have her at 355 or so by the end of LR's this week. Looking forward to having a usable 5* at last, just don't know where to stop leveling to get in a range where 4* teams don't hit me as much in Sim, but I don't see 5* teams only! My only real advice to you is to wait until you have a 2nd viable 5* to be a good running partner. I made the decision to convert to 5* tier a month ago, and my main observation is that. As long as your 5* are lower than your buffed 4*, then 5* MMR isn't an issue. The game will primarily match you with other max level 4*. Once you have 1 5* are higher level than your 4*, your guaranteed to see at least 1 5* (even if its a weakly covered/leveled 5*) every other match. This is sorta the sweet spot where the MMR still primarily matches you with teams that are primarily weaker than you. Once you have 2 5* that are higher than your buffed 4*, you will start see dual 5*. This isn't actually as big off a deal as people think. As long as your picking fights with similar or slightly stronger teams, you will be fine as long as you play smart. The real benefit of having dual 5* is that your completely OP in LR and in alot of the pve modes. Ironically, pvp seems to get harder with dual 5*, but the flexibility of being able to compete for LR and PVE top placements is a real game changer when it comes to farming iso.
SnowcaTT wrote: It's finally time to level her; I had her at 300 for quite some time and I started putting all ISO into her on the last day of LR's last week, I'll have her at 355 or so by the end of LR's this week. Looking forward to having a usable 5* at last, just don't know where to stop leveling to get in a range where 4* teams don't hit me as much in Sim, but I don't see 5* teams only!
Ozark Boatswain wrote: There was a stealth update with Psychic Flames some days ago. It at least counts CDs as friendly special tiles now. Before, it only counted attack/protect/strike tiles.
vudu3 wrote: Ozark Boatswain wrote: There was a stealth update with Psychic Flames some days ago. It at least counts CDs as friendly special tiles now. Before, it only counted attack/protect/strike tiles. Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't that a bad change for the player? Makes it easier to trigger the requirement for enemy attack tiles.
Nicholas Hewitt wrote: vudu3 wrote: Ozark Boatswain wrote: There was a stealth update with Psychic Flames some days ago. It at least counts CDs as friendly special tiles now. Before, it only counted attack/protect/strike tiles. Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't that a bad change for the player? Makes it easier to trigger the requirement for enemy attack tiles. There's been nothing BUT bad changes for the player when it comes to Phoenix. Green at five used to stun the enemy team, after reviving red used to be 6AP and purple was 8AP, and now this.
Polares wrote: I finally pulled my last PH cover, so I started hoarding so I can champ her and respec, mine is 5/3/5. But I have A LOT of doubts to which is her best build. It looks like most people have her 3/5/5 (PvP Build?) or 5/4/4 (PvE build?), but I really think 5 in purple is mandatory so I might go from 3/5/5 to 5/5/3 depending who I am fighting. It is really annoying that going from 4 to 5 in red brings almost no use for the user (why attack tiles improve in number and strength and user strike tiles just improve in number ??????), and 4/5/4 doesn't look like a very good build.
jobob wrote: Polares wrote: I finally pulled my last PH cover, so I started hoarding so I can champ her and respec, mine is 5/3/5. But I have A LOT of doubts to which is her best build. It looks like most people have her 3/5/5 (PvP Build?) or 5/4/4 (PvE build?), but I really think 5 in purple is mandatory so I might go from 3/5/5 to 5/5/3 depending who I am fighting. It is really annoying that going from 4 to 5 in red brings almost no use for the user (why attack tiles improve in number and strength and user strike tiles just improve in number ??????), and 4/5/4 doesn't look like a very good build. 5 purple is critical and the key to all her damage. 5* cascades are typically more damaging than the abilities. If you can get a red out first so there are some strike tiles... you can do 50k damage with the right board. You're right, 4/5/4 doesn't give you much. As far as the difference in red from 4-5 only adding a tile... but no extra damage... by comparison, when OML goes from 3 - 4 tiles added, the strength of each actually drops. So he only gains like 260 more damage... Phoenix's extra 460 damage does add up. Having that extra tile is also important in the way the move plays with her purple. Cast her purple, you want as many strike tiles as possible. First, it pumps up cascade damage, but- more importantly- some red tiles will get matched away. You want as many tiles to remain as possible, and you want AT LEAST 3 to survive so that they can get a boost from her passive Purple power if you get a critical.
jobob wrote: I can see running 4 red so that you don't put 5 out (though, with SW... but I still don't see the point of 4 in green. Go 5, or go 3. You are only talking a difference of maybe 3,000 health... Which you would probably save anyway if you dropped it to 3 covers and added damage to red or purple. I will, on occasion, run 5/5/3 for max survivability.
Level 5: Deals 8849 damage, 4 strength 416 Strike tiles. If 5+ friendly special tiles, 4 strength 1301 Black enemy Attack tiles.
PeterGibbons316 wrote: jobob wrote: I can see running 4 red so that you don't put 5 out (though, with SW... but I still don't see the point of 4 in green. Go 5, or go 3. You are only talking a difference of maybe 3,000 health... Which you would probably save anyway if you dropped it to 3 covers and added damage to red or purple. I will, on occasion, run 5/5/3 for max survivability. Well, if I determine that I want exactly 4 red for max damage with min tiles, that leaves 9 for purple/green. Obviously purple is going to be 5, which leaves 4 for green.
jobob wrote: As far as the difference in red from 4-5 only adding a tile... but no extra damage... by comparison, when OML goes from 3 - 4 tiles added, the strength of each actually drops. So he only gains like 260 more damage... Phoenix's extra 460 damage does add up.
TxMoose wrote: Level 5: Deals 8849 damage, 4 strength 416 Strike tiles. If 5+ friendly special tiles, 4 strength 1301 Black enemy Attack tiles. does that include cds in 'special tiles'?
Polares wrote: I still don't agree with red at 5 making all disadvantages worse, this is some very bad design, getting more covers should always improve the power. If she would have more strike tiles, stronger strike tiles and more damage I could understand getting more disadvantages, because the advantages would be bigger than the disadvantages, but just for adding one strike tile? It doesn't make any sense. The logical thing would be that at 5 you win one strike tile and the enemy attack tiles do LESS damage.