Vhailorx wrote: I strongly suspect that carnage's psychological value will drop significantly as more people start fighting him. He can be annoying, but no more so than other 4*s (I would argue less so than most other 4*s).
Sure, the ap/damage ration on his red is better. But he still isn't doing all that much damage to anyone except the main target and 5k won't down any mainline tank, PLUS he does self damage. and the AI will never use it optimally, so it's defensive value is basically just that it only costs 7 ap. But it costs 7 ap in a color that most offensive teams want very badly, so it's heavily contested and relatively easy to deny. It's not a bad red, it's just not as good as other options that are near to the same level and self-accelerated. Green can hit hard, but it's expensive and situational. So it's no real threat in the ai's hands. Same with the black. If you play like an idiot against the black, it can get really painful very quickly. But the offensive player basically controls how bad it will get, so it's not that threatening on defense.
barrok wrote: I am a consistent 1000 in pvp and I have never seen KP really played. Does he show up in the climb from 1000 to 1300 or something? Or is his ranking high for PVE purposes?
Polares wrote: I am surprised we dont see more Antman - Carnage teams in PvP (but I suppose It is because Jean has eclipsed him completely like what happened with Fisk and IMHB)
Polares wrote: Colognoisseur I would like to ask you specifically about Antman, why is so low in the list? I still dont have him maxed, but apart from his life not being too much I would think he is better than 4hor, Carnage and the Thing. Is there any special reason why you think he doesnt live up to his potential? or is it just simply that you dont see use for him contrary to those others? I am surprised we dont see more Antman - Carnage teams in PvP (but I suppose It is because Jean has eclipsed him completely like what happened with Fisk and IMHB)
Malcrof wrote: Nice list, i would move carnage down it though.. i have yet to see a single person in any PVP have him on their team.. saw plenty o Elektra (one of my personal fav's) but 0 Carnages...
MarcusGraves wrote: just curious about KP for PvP with would he actually be better served at 5/5/3 as a yellow feeder/disruptor and still get the big damage on black? there's no other ability in the game that can directly feed 8 yellow AP into your AP pool out of nowhere like his purple while also possibly avoiding being hit by a dangerous power by destroying 6 AP of strongest color. purple at 5 lets you only need 2 more AP after use to fire off maggia pawns and use his black to get the immediate damage or just use the yellow to fuel someone else like cage to get off his devastating righteous uppercut faster. this would really be a more for fun use of him in PvP though probably.
Colognoisseur wrote: he is another situational 4* who has his uses but PvP is not one of them.
Rhycar wrote: Colognoisseur, what character would you consider the top 3* and where would that character fall in your rankings? Are there multiple 3* you think are better than at least one 4*? Obviously, someone like Cyclops has more value than Devil Dino, but I'm wondering just how much the lists would overlap.
Vhailorx wrote: I am not colog, so take my advice fwiw, but I ring fist is hands down the best 3*. He is a bit squishy, but his free attack tile damage and black acceleration, and great so/damage ratio for the purple is the best overall package in the game right now. Some other top tier 3*s in no particular order are cage, cyclops, khan, and switch. There are others that are very good when boosted, but those 5 are generally the only one I will consider using even when unboosted. (and there is probably one that I am forgetting.
MarcusGraves wrote: Vhailorx wrote: I am not colog, so take my advice fwiw, but I ring fist is hands down the best 3*. He is a bit squishy, but his free attack tile damage and black acceleration, and great so/damage ratio for the purple is the best overall package in the game right now. Some other top tier 3*s in no particular order are cage, cyclops, khan, and switch. There are others that are very good when boosted, but those 5 are generally the only one I will consider using even when unboosted. (and there is probably one that I am forgetting. Doom is good as well unboosted considering he is the 2nd best black feeder, can blow apart a character with his purple, has a decent back up black that can help push people into a purple kill and has the above average 3* health of 9690 HP then of course there is Thor and Blade who see frequent use and I tend to avoid Blade just because his passive can make me take unwanted levels of damage like iron fist, I've had games where his thirst triggers 3 times quickly and the damage gets out of control on a cascade.
Rhycar wrote: MarcusGraves wrote: Vhailorx wrote: I am not colog, so take my advice fwiw, but I ring fist is hands down the best 3*. He is a bit squishy, but his free attack tile damage and black acceleration, and great so/damage ratio for the purple is the best overall package in the game right now. Some other top tier 3*s in no particular order are cage, cyclops, khan, and switch. There are others that are very good when boosted, but those 5 are generally the only one I will consider using even when unboosted. (and there is probably one that I am forgetting. Doom is good as well unboosted considering he is the 2nd best black feeder, can blow apart a character with his purple, has a decent back up black that can help push people into a purple kill and has the above average 3* health of 9690 HP then of course there is Thor and Blade who see frequent use and I tend to avoid Blade just because his passive can make me take unwanted levels of damage like iron fist, I've had games where his thirst triggers 3 times quickly and the damage gets out of control on a cascade. But where would you think those 3* you mentioned fall in the order of 4* rankings? Is Iron Fist better than IW? Than Xforce Wolvie? Than Fury? That's what I'm really trying to figure out to get a sense of how to prioritize my ISO use. And thank you for your response.