TxMoose wrote: not sure what the hate for Lthor is about. he's my only 166 - loki at 142 and all the rest near 100. those 2 get me to 600 (automatic t100) every time and 700 if i just do 1 or 2 hops, which lately have been getting me t25 if i care about the other cover. i have started using my stable at 104 with the boosted ones (have ~15 at ~104, which ends up 144 with a weekly boost) but once i hit 500 or so, its thor/loki and they hardly fail. i rated him 10, but rated several others 10s as well. I'm not playing at the top yet - probably not for several months. need to finish covering some other top guys and save some iso to do everything at once. once i do, pve will be screwed.
Colognoisseur wrote: I have thought ever since the health nerf for both The Hood and Loki they have become irrelevant in any high end play. With rotating buffed characters they are too fragile. When i see one on an opposing team in PvP it might as well say "hit me". People are still holding on to them because they got used to the ap steal but now they are just liabilities because the match quickly turns into a 3v2 situation. There are a few specific places where they still work. when there is a buffed deadpool for them to hide behind and when they are buffed themsleves. I'll be using buffed Loki in Divine Champions because he will cause a problem because of his enhanced health. in my opinion all of this means The Hood and Loki should be close together in ranking somewhere in the 15-20 range. By the time we do this again I think most of the Hood and Loki users will have figured out they no longer stand up because of the low health that they have.
raisinbman wrote: Budget Player Cadet wrote: ...3* Thor at the top? Nobody still uses him. Is this internet sarcasm, or are you unaware of the different groupings of players who may find 3*Thor viable?
Budget Player Cadet wrote: ...3* Thor at the top? Nobody still uses him.
Colognoisseur wrote: One of the reasons Hood sees so much play and is highly regarded is many have him fully covered and pretty well leveled from the Sentry Bombing days. Some people even have three. When Sentry was nerfed Hood still remained viable, until the health nerf. Giving examples of single PvE nodes where Hood is good is silly. I can give single examples where Quicksilver is good. The question about overall utility is whether when you are looking at a hard PvE node the first character into your team is Hood or is it very often 3*Cap; then you choose for utility. The other aspect of this is in a hard PvE node if you do choose Hood and the ai gets a cascade he is toast as one high level Pve active goes off and that's it. you're likely pressing the retreat button. If you choose something with utility and higher health you can weather a cascade and still pull out the win. Finally I guess the way to look at this top 10 is if a new player joined your alliance and said they had the entire top 10 fully covered but all were at base iso level what order would you tell them to put iso into them. My answer would be: Iron Fist Luke Cage 3* Thor 3* Cap Cyclops Blade C Mags Patch The Hood Professor X All of those other top 10 3*'s are more generally useful than Hood and are better building blocks to a stronger roster for a transitioner.
Budget Player Cadet wrote: raisinbman wrote: Budget Player Cadet wrote: ...3* Thor at the top? Nobody still uses him. Is this internet sarcasm, or are you unaware of the different groupings of players who may find 3*Thor viable? When I'm climbing, I see tons of Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Cyclops, XForce... Almost never Thor. Since the health buffs, he's just not that spectacular - CTS has been outclassed by quite a few other AOEs, he doesn't quite have the explosive tempo of Iron Fist or Cyclops, the brute force of Hulkbuster, or the solid defense and nuke capabilities of Luke Cage.
over_clocked wrote: Ah, so 2* Stormneto/Hood clock in at 13k health. But in PvE, it doesn't matter if you bring three squishies to a fight, the AI won't retaliate based on the weakness of the player's team Here, some screenshots of how insignificant AP stealing/generation is.Fight one, lvl 306 in Deadpool versus MPQ: Didn't bother healing anyone, next node, lvl 266:
Wobby wrote: Basically it's "work on 4*s" or "Level up folks you think will be fun". I keep resisting the urge to max my 3/5/5 Quicksilver because I know he is awful... But he is different than what we see every day and on that merit alone I keep considering it.
daibar wrote: I agree Cap** is underrated because LCap exists. Same with tiny torch. Juggernaut is overrated; he's not as valuable as tiny torch unless boosted.
daibar wrote: Hulkbuster and KK are underranked, HB criminally so. If I were to redo the top 10 myself, I'd drop Blade and Cyclops, pushing Steve to 10th. I dare say that the interim rankings are closer in terms of comparative rankings - these results seem more biased by things like - "well X-Force was at a 10, so he must be at a 8 now", whereas he was probably an 11 before, now he's a 9.5. Basically, what was '10' has shifted down. Neat to see some of the trends vindicated in both polls:
Unreallystic wrote: I guess I'll do my take on the listing now. first off, thanks so much for all the work, I think its super beneficial to people actively working on their roster, especially those not in the know to the current meta or direction of it. I personally regurgitate this info to my alliance to help them know who's worth leveling. 1. If it wasn't so much work, I wish you could 'erase' the outliers for statistical purposes. I look at 3hor and would whipe all the votes less than 5 - to zero, they are obvious trolls. Doing so would space out or correct some of the tight races methinks. Maybe I'll do it @ work. Results are also turned a bit by players obviously not leveled (2hor getting 23 1st place votes wasn't trolling). 2. I almost feel as though if a character hasn't been around long enough to get covers like Hulkbuster, they shouldn't be votable...his position is obviously wrong and as everyone has said, it's because of ignorance. 3. Wow, some of these drops and the position of some of the old characters just stuns me. I love CMags MORE than the next guy, but I wouldn't anticipate him being that high. He's got board shake up and a really strong single target attack, but its all been matched by say Cyclops. So does that mean he should be higher or CMags lower. The Hood surprises me more than anyone. It seemed like his 'grip' on AP theft was slipping with the likes of Blade, Loki and now She-Hulk hanging on, yet there he is at 5. frankly its way too high, currently the only time AP theft seems to be effective is when STACKED (like Hood/Loki or Loki/SH or Hood/Blade), it seems AP 'generation' is the new kid in town, GSBW is enjoying a rebirth with her purple being so useful, Cyclops is turning the 'used by a few' yellow into the current in color of red, IMHB is nothing BUT generation, there is Kingpin, etc. Longer matches means stupid cascades which REALLY derail the AP theft. I fully expect him to fall next time. He's still top 10, but 5? Nah. 4. PVE All Stars - Blade and CapA - still feel too high...both are too dependant on the board/take a while to get going. I eat Captain alive, but avoid XF, heck I'd fight him over anyone else in the top 17...Blade is in the same boat and I'm a Blade stan. He's going to fall. 5. So long as HulkBombing is a thing, Hulk should be top 20...its pretty much a garunteed win against 'anything'. 6. Finally ****...Sentry at 52? Really? the nerf hurt him a lot, but he is still one of the few good 'defensive' characters, I hardly EVER get attacked when I have him in the line-up, and he's great at clearing those real tough nodes. He isn't top tier, but he isn't even as high as Juggernaut - a one star? 2* Daken? I'd argue he should be in the 30s, and only not in the 20s because of the number of new characters. 7. I wonder if 3hor is in line to get nerfed. I figure PX and IF will be. - Unreall