Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 348 Mover and Shaker

    @rainkingucd said:
    @Codex I don't exactly regret it, since I was a good experiment in seeing how long it takes to get a 3* to 5* naturally, no purchases, no swaps. But I probably would have targeted other more useful 3* to ascend. I could have done the same experiment with 3* Magik, Honey Badger, or Jubilee who are all pretty good when ascended, and came out roughly the same time.

    Or even just getting some people up to 4* level like a 3a4 Iron May.

    Thanks. I see target choice was most disappointing. Did you go the max- max route? I have been doing max-min and i am pretty close to IM being my 1st 3a5.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,468 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Codex said:

    @rainkingucd said:
    @Codex I don't exactly regret it, since I was a good experiment in seeing how long it takes to get a 3* to 5* naturally, no purchases, no swaps. But I probably would have targeted other more useful 3* to ascend. I could have done the same experiment with 3* Magik, Honey Badger, or Jubilee who are all pretty good when ascended, and came out roughly the same time.

    Or even just getting some people up to 4* level like a 3a4 Iron May.

    Thanks. I see target choice was most disappointing. Did you go the max- max route? I have been doing max-min and i am pretty close to IM being my 1st 3a5.

    I was all over the place. I did Max-Max for the first set of 3's, then max-min(+1) for the second set of 3's, then Max-min (+1) for the 3a4s.

    Average cover rate I calculated was ~15 covers a week (+25 covers coming from the 4 weeks boosted ).

    Timeline (considering that as a new 3*, she had bonus draw rate for 4 weeks)From launch (with the bonus rate:

    • Week 1-6: Max the first 3* at 266
    • Week 7-15: Max the second 3* at 266; ascended to 4*
    • Week 16-39: Max the 4* to 370
    • Week 40-48: Max the third 3* at 266
    • Week 49-52: Champ the 4th 3* (+3 covers), ascend to 4*, ascend to 5*
  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 486 Mover and Shaker
    edited 7 February 2025, 23:55

    @entrailbucket, I ascended Beast and Juggs today, who are you shargeting right now in 4star land?

    I've seen Maximus (he is still awesome) but I am seriously considering the longer haul for Betsy or Luna. Those are the 2 I want to see the most, but have to be overly cautious with ones I haven't seen yet, especially since they are only a few levels over champ.

    Hard to imagine Betsy not being amazing.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    @entrailbucket, I ascended Beast and Juggs today, who are you shargeting right now in 4star land?

    I've seen Maximus (he is still awesome) but I am seriously considering the longer haul for Betsy or Luna. Those are the 2 I want to see the most, but have to be overly cautious with ones I haven't seen yet, especially since they are only a few levels over champ.

    Hard to imagine Betsy not being amazing.

    Well, the double 4* release messed me up, so I currently have Luna, Maximus, and Betsy bonused. Luna and Maximus are around 330, Betsy is 289. I always bonus new 4* until they can be ascended. When I have all of them at 5* I just pick whichever old guy is closest to 550.

    I have Coulson and America Chavez at 550 now, and Carol is 540 so she'll be next after I clear the backlog. I have a ton in the 500 range too...they all grow over time.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 486 Mover and Shaker
    edited 8 February 2025, 02:32

    Oh damn, you favorite all 3 at a time. I'm not opening that kind of loot, not to mention I'm still not even half way through the never ending ISO desert!

    Hopefully your Luna will come in soon then! I think I'm leaning more towards Betsy since she seems useful in more scenarios, but I still have a soft spot for and am holding out for a functional healer, and right now she is their only hope. Not to mention just being annoying to fight against with the locks :smiley:

    Don't you dare nerf her heals S0kun! Don't, you, DARE.

  • meteor0905
    meteor0905 Posts: 77 Match Maker

    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,405 Chairperson of the Boards

    @meteor0905 said:
    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

    Wow, I never thought I'd see a 550 iron may. I thought everyone had decided she was better kept a 4 star.

  • meteor0905
    meteor0905 Posts: 77 Match Maker

    @BriMan2222 said:

    @meteor0905 said:
    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

    Wow, I never thought I'd see a 550 iron may. I thought everyone had decided she was better kept a 4 star.

    It's funny that her blue is weaken then 370😂

    @S0kun

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,468 Chairperson of the Boards

    @meteor0905 said:

    @BriMan2222 said:

    @meteor0905 said:
    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

    Wow, I never thought I'd see a 550 iron may. I thought everyone had decided she was better kept a 4 star.

    It's funny that her blue is weaken then 370😂

    @S0kun

    The feedback on why her 100% ally boost dropped to 75% was due to her "5* budget". It was clearly not taken up by the blue power....

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @meteor0905 said:
    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

    How much health does she have?

  • meteor0905
    meteor0905 Posts: 77 Match Maker

    @entrailbucket said:

    @meteor0905 said:
    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

    How much health does she have?

    157k ,boosted to 180k when fight start

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    So you trade some of the power boost for "no longer dies to one move on defense" -- seems like a fair trade to me!

  • meteor0905
    meteor0905 Posts: 77 Match Maker

    @entrailbucket said:
    So you trade some of the power boost for "no longer dies to one move on defense" -- seems like a fair trade to me!

    Maybe I'm the only one work for 3May5 550 if it's the case 😂

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards

    @meteor0905 said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    So you trade some of the power boost for "no longer dies to one move on defense" -- seems like a fair trade to me!

    Maybe I'm the only one work for 3May5 550 if it's the case 😂

    I'm not working for her but I will ascend her when I can.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,676 Chairperson of the Boards

    Take 3Namor to 550.
    I will leave 3may4 out. If I have a max champed 3may4 then I will build another and take her to 3May5.
    Honestly, both of these characters need to be addressed in some manner. I just don't know who the devs will do it.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 486 Mover and Shaker
    edited 12 February 2025, 02:07

    I was wondering to myself earlier "why does May have an 8AP ability that does less damage than a standard match 3?" Whoopsie?

    While we're on the topic of what could only be, accidentally useless abilities, is there something I'm missing for this ascended to 5 Alejandra? @S0kun was the intent to have an ability that will trigger one in 1 million matches? You would have to be killed by damage less than a match 3 for that to do anything, and that's level 491! Crazy.

    I tried playing her as well just to see if maybe the text was wrong or something, but they didn't appear to be (didn't test much though). Why does this even exist?

    It's worth noting this is almost equally unlikely to trigger across all levels and for everyone else curious, she is a hot mess across the board. Her health at that level is also only 60k, red and black are eh.

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 545 Critical Contributor

    @WhiteBomber said:
    I was wondering to myself earlier "why does May have an 8AP ability that does less damage than a standard match 3?" Whoopsie?

    While we're on the topic of what could only be, accidentally useless abilities, is there something I'm missing for this ascended to 5 Alejandra? @S0kun was the intent to have an ability that will trigger one in 1 million matches? You would have to be killed by damage less than a match 3 for that to do anything, and that's level 491! Crazy.

    I tried playing her as well just to see if maybe the text was wrong or something, but they didn't appear to be (didn't test much though). Why does this even exist?

    It's worth noting this is almost equally unlikely to trigger across all levels and for everyone else curious, she is a hot mess across the board. Her health at that level is also only 60k, red and black are eh.

    All of the Spirit of Vengeance in the game are weird, she's definitely the worst case. They should either have MASSIVE health or MASSIVE healing. Even though she has decent healing but like you said it's never gonna trigger and looks like she has the lowest health in the game.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,199 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 12 February 2025, 01:19

    @Pantera236 said:

    @WhiteBomber said:
    I was wondering to myself earlier "why does May have an 8AP ability that does less damage than a standard match 3?" Whoopsie?

    While we're on the topic of what could only be, accidentally useless abilities, is there something I'm missing for this ascended to 5 Alejandra? @S0kun was the intent to have an ability that will trigger one in 1 million matches? You would have to be killed by damage less than a match 3 for that to do anything, and that's level 491! Crazy.

    I tried playing her as well just to see if maybe the text was wrong or something, but they didn't appear to be (didn't test much though). Why does this even exist?

    It's worth noting this is almost equally unlikely to trigger across all levels and for everyone else curious, she is a hot mess across the board. Her health at that level is also only 60k, red and black are eh.

    All of the Spirit of Vengeance in the game are weird, she's definitely the worst case. They should either have MASSIVE health or MASSIVE healing. Even though she has decent healing but like you said it's never gonna trigger and looks like she has the lowest health in the game.

    I wonder if it's a bug, or someone just copied the number over wrong when they created her 5* version. Most of the 2* get really crazy good at 5*.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 486 Mover and Shaker
    edited 12 February 2025, 02:04

    I tracked her through each level (because I'm crazy and was holding out hope), unfortunately she is just DOA for all versions. The 5star was just so bad it actually felt like it should be discussed / addressed. The yellow actually has no use, unless you can find a character on your team that intentionally puts her below that threshold (which I'm quite confident doesn't exist in a usable way).

    Her red does ok damage, but really only if you throw her black (which is far too $$$) and the health at level 450 is actually in like the 40k's.

    The budget has failed us horribly here. Next months question will be: "Since we can't have any actual specifics regarding the budget, be straight with us, just tell us you intentionally make some characters way better (or worse) than others. AND OR, why do you hate Alejandra so deeply?"

    Thank goodness we got CyberGhost? Wait... Maybe HE hacked her budget!!!