Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Seems some of the ascension exploits have been resolved overnight - 3-4 Doom no longer has non-standard champ rewards and Domino/nightcrawler/XFW are no longer usable in the DDQ 4* mode after ascension.

    Antivenom is still usable! I'm not surprised they forgot to update him, they seem to continually forget he exists at all.

    I know I do!

    He is just so unbelievably bad, and he's never in the "least used" rebalance polls.

    Are people actually using him for something? How is that even possible?

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,010 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Seems some of the ascension exploits have been resolved overnight - 3-4 Doom no longer has non-standard champ rewards and Domino/nightcrawler/XFW are no longer usable in the DDQ 4* mode after ascension.

    Antivenom is still usable! I'm not surprised they forgot to update him, they seem to continually forget he exists at all.

    I know I do!

    He is just so unbelievably bad, and he's never in the "least used" rebalance polls.

    Are people actually using him for something? How is that even possible?

    Maybe people regularly using him on that one DDQ node is enough usage that he surpasses the least used list.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    I still think Red Guardian is worse. His own powers seem to actively work against him - his red especially which is then compounded by not having him make enemy protect tiles, thus making the bonus part largely useless. Then he stuns himself BUT THE STUN TO THE ENEMY (i.e. the good bit) relies upon having friendly protect tiles, which he also does not make!

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,739 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 20 January 2025, 14:40

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I still think Red Guardian is worse. His own powers seem to actively work against him - his red especially which is then compounded by not having him make enemy protect tiles, thus making the bonus part largely useless. Then he stuns himself BUT THE STUN TO THE ENEMY (i.e. the good bit) relies upon having friendly protect tiles, which he also does not make!

    Technically he does make friendly protect tiles. But it relies on him having team mates firing powers. In other words in the 1v1 battles his Yellow is a useless passive and since he isn't a great character no one uses him as part of a team where the Yellow would actually do something.

    Also he DOES stun the enemy for 1 turn, the same amount of time he is stunned. But the requirement for more turns is way too high (5 friendly protects) unless you have a BrB type team mate.

    KGB

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    There are a few characters with teammate dependent passives like that that are way worse on solo modes. Firing a team up power triggers them, but if you’re in the DDQ Crash those are closed out too.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    All I know is that he is properly rubbish, like Spider Woman levels of bad. I'm not an Anti-Venom fan either, he is awful.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 448 Mover and Shaker

    @rainkingucd said:
    I got to run my boosted 3a5 Goose this week. And let me tell you, now that I played her boosted I can say one thing regarding spending a year with only one 3* targeted

    What you have done differently?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    I don't remember what the 3* Goose even does...I do remember that the 5* is a good counter to AoE powers!

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,532 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Codex I don't exactly regret it, since I was a good experiment in seeing how long it takes to get a 3* to 5* naturally, no purchases, no swaps. But I probably would have targeted other more useful 3* to ascend. I could have done the same experiment with 3* Magik, Honey Badger, or Jubilee who are all pretty good when ascended, and came out roughly the same time.

    Or even just getting some people up to 4* level like a 3a4 Iron May.

    @entrailbucket No AoE defense. She goes invisible (instead of the countdown damage reduction), creates protects (instead of attacks), and has the same instakill as 5* but with slightly different conditions. Her base black creates a monster SAP tile for 3AP (a la Sersei)

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 31 January 2025, 13:59

    I’m 20 covers short of ascending my 3* SWitch to 5, and I feel similarly. I started it because there weren’t at the time any good purple generators at the 5* tier, but Purple Man now exists and is a ludicrous purple engine. But I’m going to see it through anyway.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 448 Mover and Shaker

    @rainkingucd said:
    @Codex I don't exactly regret it, since I was a good experiment in seeing how long it takes to get a 3* to 5* naturally, no purchases, no swaps. But I probably would have targeted other more useful 3* to ascend. I could have done the same experiment with 3* Magik, Honey Badger, or Jubilee who are all pretty good when ascended, and came out roughly the same time.

    Or even just getting some people up to 4* level like a 3a4 Iron May.

    Thanks. I see target choice was most disappointing. Did you go the max- max route? I have been doing max-min and i am pretty close to IM being my 1st 3a5.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,532 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Codex said:

    @rainkingucd said:
    @Codex I don't exactly regret it, since I was a good experiment in seeing how long it takes to get a 3* to 5* naturally, no purchases, no swaps. But I probably would have targeted other more useful 3* to ascend. I could have done the same experiment with 3* Magik, Honey Badger, or Jubilee who are all pretty good when ascended, and came out roughly the same time.

    Or even just getting some people up to 4* level like a 3a4 Iron May.

    Thanks. I see target choice was most disappointing. Did you go the max- max route? I have been doing max-min and i am pretty close to IM being my 1st 3a5.

    I was all over the place. I did Max-Max for the first set of 3's, then max-min(+1) for the second set of 3's, then Max-min (+1) for the 3a4s.

    Average cover rate I calculated was ~15 covers a week (+25 covers coming from the 4 weeks boosted ).

    Timeline (considering that as a new 3*, she had bonus draw rate for 4 weeks)From launch (with the bonus rate:

    • Week 1-6: Max the first 3* at 266
    • Week 7-15: Max the second 3* at 266; ascended to 4*
    • Week 16-39: Max the 4* to 370
    • Week 40-48: Max the third 3* at 266
    • Week 49-52: Champ the 4th 3* (+3 covers), ascend to 4*, ascend to 5*
  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 749 Critical Contributor
    edited 7 February 2025, 23:55

    @entrailbucket, I ascended Beast and Juggs today, who are you shargeting right now in 4star land?

    I've seen Maximus (he is still awesome) but I am seriously considering the longer haul for Betsy or Luna. Those are the 2 I want to see the most, but have to be overly cautious with ones I haven't seen yet, especially since they are only a few levels over champ.

    Hard to imagine Betsy not being amazing.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    @entrailbucket, I ascended Beast and Juggs today, who are you shargeting right now in 4star land?

    I've seen Maximus (he is still awesome) but I am seriously considering the longer haul for Betsy or Luna. Those are the 2 I want to see the most, but have to be overly cautious with ones I haven't seen yet, especially since they are only a few levels over champ.

    Hard to imagine Betsy not being amazing.

    Well, the double 4* release messed me up, so I currently have Luna, Maximus, and Betsy bonused. Luna and Maximus are around 330, Betsy is 289. I always bonus new 4* until they can be ascended. When I have all of them at 5* I just pick whichever old guy is closest to 550.

    I have Coulson and America Chavez at 550 now, and Carol is 540 so she'll be next after I clear the backlog. I have a ton in the 500 range too...they all grow over time.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 749 Critical Contributor
    edited 8 February 2025, 02:32

    Oh damn, you favorite all 3 at a time. I'm not opening that kind of loot, not to mention I'm still not even half way through the never ending ISO desert!

    Hopefully your Luna will come in soon then! I think I'm leaning more towards Betsy since she seems useful in more scenarios, but I still have a soft spot for and am holding out for a functional healer, and right now she is their only hope. Not to mention just being annoying to fight against with the locks :smiley:

    Don't you dare nerf her heals S0kun! Don't, you, DARE.

  • meteor0905
    meteor0905 Posts: 93 Match Maker

    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,685 Chairperson of the Boards

    @meteor0905 said:
    Jan 22 2025 > 11 Feb 2025

    Wow, I never thought I'd see a 550 iron may. I thought everyone had decided she was better kept a 4 star.

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