Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 8 January 2025, 20:57

    @WhiteBomber said:
    That was fast, thanks for posting. Those percentages are definitely not the same, but he is probably still pretty good.

    The ally damage buff on black was cut in half (basically) at 60% and his bread and butter (pink) dropped from 21% to 13, while also reducing the stun from 3 to 2.

    What is his health at though? Might still be worth keeping him max 4 star if his health is too high to take advantage of his pink.

    Oops! How'd I miss that? I went back to the character post, but I guess I just looked too quickly.

    His health at 450 is 72,465 -- relatively high for a 450, I think?

    Oh, the "should we ascend?" debate! This one is a tough call for me, because he sorta needs to tank to get the most use out of that power. I guess it's a good design in that way, because the tradeoff for him making more matches (and thus potentially activating the purple passive more often) is that he'll have more health (and thus potentially activate the purple passive less often).

    I'm not sure what the best answer is.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 749 Critical Contributor
    edited 9 January 2025, 01:18

    Thanks. I think 72 is basically average? Maybe low average (compared to new characters, not old riffraff that needs to be buffed)? Which is what you want for him, so that's good.

    I think the ascension totally depends on your use case since he does seem like he will still be good ascended. If you're only using him to absolutely melt high level PVE matches and you can keep him protected, it could be worth keeping him 4. It's disgusting what he does with IronMay and the right supports / partners, 500k health gone in an instant. His abilities are cheap too, so even if he isn't tanking, I throw his abilities a lot and still capitalize on the pink. Ascended is surely where you want him if you are leaving him on defense.

    As I was typing this I thought, why the hell can't we pick which star level we want to use? THAT should be the new feature with the engine, make it so you can play your favorite characters how you want for any fight, without having to have multiple friggen copies.

    Has anyone tested if it's his max health or current health that triggers it? I forget, but though it might be max. If it's current then it's a no brainer ascend. Also, if you have ascended MBaku you don't really need 4 star version, since his match damage is so broken it just does what Rider does at all times anyway.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Thanks. I think 72 is basically average? Maybe low average (compared to new characters, not old riffraff that needs to be buffed)? Which is what you want for him, so that's good.

    I think the ascension totally depends on your use case since he does seem like he will still be good ascended. If you're only using him to absolutely melt high level PVE matches and you can keep him protected, it could be worth keeping him 4. It's disgusting what he does with IronMay and the right supports / partners, 500k health gone in an instant. His abilities are cheap too, so even if he isn't tanking, I throw his abilities a lot and still capitalize on the pink. Ascended is surely where you want him if you are leaving him on defense.

    As I was typing this I thought, why the hell can't we pick which star level we want to use? THAT should be the new feature with the engine, make it so you can play your favorite characters how you want for any fight, without having to have multiple friggen copies.

    Has anyone tested if it's his max health or current health that triggers it? I forget, but though it might be max. If it's current then it's a no brainer ascend. Also, if you have ascended MBaku you don't really need 4 star version, since his match damage is so broken it just does what Rider does at all times anyway.

    I think it's his current health -- I remember specifically testing that. I'd have to try it out again though, I might be misremembering.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 749 Critical Contributor
    edited 9 January 2025, 02:23

    If it's current health, sign me up! That's an asset worth taking to the prom.

    Stupid IronMay is gonna keep creep healin em though... Damn IronMay.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    If it's current health, sign me up! That's an asset worth taking to the prom.

    Stupid IronMay is gonna keep creep healin em though... Damn IronMay.

    Just tested -- it IS based on his current health.

    Also, he's insanely strong. Wow.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,347 Chairperson of the Boards

    lol I’m glad that there are some players in a position to consider ascending GR2099.

    Mine is level 287.

    An argument for ascending is to be ready for 6 stars! 🤣

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    lol I’m glad that there are some players in a position to consider ascending GR2099.

    Mine is level 287.

    An argument for ascending is to be ready for 6 stars! 🤣

    I can stop posting these if they're annoying. It's not meant to be bragging -- this is fairly important information that you can't get in the game, and I enjoy talking through the changes they make at different tiers.

    I did swap two covers to complete his duplicate. I open an awful lot of classics, I have all the other 4* ascended, and GR2099 was my only bonus hero for two seasons (because Luna was delayed).

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,532 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    lol I’m glad that there are some players in a position to consider ascending GR2099.

    Mine is level 287.

    An argument for ascending is to be ready for 6 stars! 🤣

    If you think that's crazy, Meteor completed the most insane 3a5 ever

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,347 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 10 January 2025, 01:41

    @entrailbucket said:

    @bluewolf said:
    lol I’m glad that there are some players in a position to consider ascending GR2099.

    Mine is level 287.

    An argument for ascending is to be ready for 6 stars! 🤣

    I can stop posting these if they're annoying. It's not meant to be bragging -- this is fairly important information that you can't get in the game, and I enjoy talking through the changes they make at different tiers.

    I did swap two covers to complete his duplicate. I open an awful lot of classics, I have all the other 4* ascended, and GR2099 was my only bonus hero for two seasons (because Luna was delayed).

    I’m not annoyed. It’s good info to have and I’m sure some people can use it fairly soon.

    It’s just amusing to me….thats all. Who knows how long it’ll take me to collect enough GR2099s to think about ascending him? I’m not about to focus on him yet. Probably will take a year or two to get to 370. My biggest new-ish (since returning last Oct) 4 is India at 353.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @bluewolf said:
    lol I’m glad that there are some players in a position to consider ascending GR2099.

    Mine is level 287.

    An argument for ascending is to be ready for 6 stars! 🤣

    I can stop posting these if they're annoying. It's not meant to be bragging -- this is fairly important information that you can't get in the game, and I enjoy talking through the changes they make at different tiers.

    I did swap two covers to complete his duplicate. I open an awful lot of classics, I have all the other 4* ascended, and GR2099 was my only bonus hero for two seasons (because Luna was delayed).

    What we should be talking about is how you only had 1375HP! I know you churn and burn your CP but what are you spending the HP on?!?!?

    Oh and ascended stuff, yeah.

    I am actually curious as to whether anybody has ascended 4* Lady Ock because for the life of me I can't figure out what she is meant to do or why I should care but the game just keeps giving me covers.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @bluewolf said:
    lol I’m glad that there are some players in a position to consider ascending GR2099.

    Mine is level 287.

    An argument for ascending is to be ready for 6 stars! 🤣

    I can stop posting these if they're annoying. It's not meant to be bragging -- this is fairly important information that you can't get in the game, and I enjoy talking through the changes they make at different tiers.

    I did swap two covers to complete his duplicate. I open an awful lot of classics, I have all the other 4* ascended, and GR2099 was my only bonus hero for two seasons (because Luna was delayed).

    What we should be talking about is how you only had 1375HP! I know you churn and burn your CP but what are you spending the HP on?!?!?

    Oh and ascended stuff, yeah.

    I am actually curious as to whether anybody has ascended 4* Lady Ock because for the life of me I can't figure out what she is meant to do or why I should care but the game just keeps giving me covers.

    I do, but with her it sorta doesn't matter?

    She's a strike tile/power booster partner. She passively does a ton of lower-powered hits. Look at the passive part of this ability:

    The idea is to get your Okoye boost up, or get out a pile of strikes, then use Lady Ock to hit them 4x every turn, or every time she casts something.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 749 Critical Contributor

    @DAZ0273 said:
    What we should be talking about is how you only had 1375HP! I know you churn and burn your CP but what are you spending the HP on?!?!?

    Looks like he's dodging your question. I bet he is spending precious HP on $$$ swaps and doesn't want us to know! Get em!

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    Seems some of the ascension exploits have been resolved overnight - 3-4 Doom no longer has non-standard champ rewards and Domino/nightcrawler/XFW are no longer usable in the DDQ 4* mode after ascension.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,685 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Seems some of the ascension exploits have been resolved overnight - 3-4 Doom no longer has non-standard champ rewards and Domino/nightcrawler/XFW are no longer usable in the DDQ 4* mode after ascension.

    Booooo. That was my team for that node. Made that node a breeze.

  • BobDucca
    BobDucca Posts: 36 Just Dropped In

    Still waiting on Ascension milestones...

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,998 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Seems some of the ascension exploits have been resolved overnight - 3-4 Doom no longer has non-standard champ rewards and Domino/nightcrawler/XFW are no longer usable in the DDQ 4* mode after ascension.

    Antivenom is still usable! I'm not surprised they forgot to update him, they seem to continually forget he exists at all.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,704 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 19 January 2025, 13:43

    @Borstock said:
    Thank goodness they finally patched these much maligned bugs before all of the things that people actually care about.

    You read my mind. I was going to post something similar but your post was more snarkily eloquent.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,478 Chairperson of the Boards

    At least they aren't gonna punish us for all the 35HP we got through this "exploit" via a clawback!

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Seems some of the ascension exploits have been resolved overnight - 3-4 Doom no longer has non-standard champ rewards and Domino/nightcrawler/XFW are no longer usable in the DDQ 4* mode after ascension.

    Antivenom is still usable! I'm not surprised they forgot to update him, they seem to continually forget he exists at all.

    I know I do!