PVP Supports: Feedback Thread

I think Krakoa is kind of bad -- I'm surprised folks are using it.

I suppose it could be good if you build an all mutant team, but I haven't seen a week where that was a good option, and you would probably want the feature to be a mutant too. The other thing it's good for is as a free blue AP support, since we don't have any of those.

But otherwise? It's 4AP vs 6AP, and I'm taking 6 every time. Am I missing something with it?

@entrailbucket said:

@dianetics said:
The meta has settled as much as I can tell and there are 5 supports or 6 if you have a great Stone.
Fantasticar
Leap
Arrow
Hot Dog Cart
Omni

It seems to me nothing else matters at higher levels.

**edit Add Krakakoa for certain team comps.

Thanos Copter is very strong, it's almost an improved version of Fantasticar, but the hivemind hasn't totally caught on yet. I really like running a hero and villain with Copter and Fantasticar -- you can hit endless cascades.

There are a couple others that are worthwhile, that I use but never see on defense. Hellfire Club is very good, but limited in who can use it. Dead Pool is also strong. Lucky is too.

Thanoscopter is new, give people time to acquire and build it!

Somehow I already have it up to 5, now dribbling rIso into it.

Shards have pushed so many of my supports I'm constantly out of rIso ... after having little use for it and millions piling up for so long .... !

@WhiteBomber said:

@entrailbucket said:
I think Krakoa is kind of bad -- I'm surprised folks are using it.

I suppose it could be good if you build an all mutant team, but I haven't seen a week where that was a good option, and you would probably want the feature to be a mutant too. The other thing it's good for is as a free blue AP support, since we don't have any of those.

But otherwise? It's 4AP vs 6AP, and I'm taking 6 every time. Am I missing something with it?

The 4 on start is guaranteed, on someone like Dark it means you start the match throwing your ability every time. If you also have someone like Coulson, the match starts with even more AP, cascades and damage, basically guaranteeing a safe victory.

Oh no, I'm comparing it to all the other free AP ones.

It's just that it's 100% vs 80% for the 6AP ones? I'm not sure that's worth it.

@LavaManLee said:
Totally worth it for Aunt May. Slap Krakoa on 5Emma and bring a +2 R/Y and you are winning on the first turn for almost everything except the FU node.

Wouldn't you just bring Arc Reactor on an iron person instead? Iron May can carry it.

Edit: haha duh -- Iron May and Aunt May can't be on the same team. PvE is pick-3 though, so you could drag War Machine or somebody along to carry Arc Reactor.

@Tony_Foot said:

@DAZ0273 said:

I slapped my R3 Leapfrog on Mephisto in his PvP and even at that level it feels a lot like cheating.

I adore everyone that puts leapfrog on the centre character. That's not cheating that's easy feeding.

Eh, I never claimed I had any idea what I am doing. Mephisto was the main constant so it seemed easiest and you can't keep swapping it around that much. My other guys had R5s on. So who should it go then?

@JoeHandle said:

@Tony_Foot said:

@DAZ0273 said:

I slapped my R3 Leapfrog on Mephisto in his PvP and even at that level it feels a lot like cheating.

I adore everyone that puts leapfrog on the centre character. That's not cheating that's easy feeding.

So long as the feature is the weak link. Tends to be, but not always. Esp not always in 4* feature pvps. As ascended 3s become more common, there goes 3* features, too.

I still see TONS of 550/550/loaner (or 672/672/loaner!). I really don't get that.

I really wish there were allways 2 parallel same PVP events with same rewards but one with supports and one without supports. And each player could choose only one of them. In such case each one could choose if he likes supports in PVP or not. For me it is clear NO. I never liked PVP much but now it is even worse. I'm playing it just for rewards, but it is no fun for me (lots of invisible or away enemies when they don't have such power, lost fights in 1 move, when I don't have luck to kill enemy in my first move and he has so many AP from supports that he doesn't allow me second move etc.)
For reference, I'm veteran player on day 3935, in alliance fighting for PVE t10 each time and mostly pve t25 personally.

@BriMan2222 said:
I just want to thank the devs for offering the leapfrog in the latest heroic boss event. Over night, I went from seeing a handful of people with a high level leap frog and a few others with a low level one to EVERY.SINGLE.PERSON.IS.RUNNING.LEAPFROG. and most are at rank 4 or 5.

Now I have the fun of trying to stun the leapfrog holder or eliminate invis tiles and hope they aren't in impossible to reach spots for EVERY SINGLE PVP FIGHT.

Have they said anywhere that they're looking at leapfrog?

It does seem like the sort of thing they've taken action on before -- something that's very powerful defensively/slows the game down/is annoying to fight, and when those things do happen, players feel forced to use them (if everyone is using leapfrog and you're not, you'll get hit a bunch more).

It'd also fit their (truly fantastic) pattern of waiting until basically everyone has invested in something before taking action.

I hope they don't. I rely heavily on my R5 Leapfrog (obtained by sharding from a R3).

It's the only defense you have against supports that grant a bunch of starting AP followed by things like Headbutt from a boosted 5 star ascended Juggs on turn 1.

It's far easier to deal with not triggering the 15% damage or removing some invisibility tiles than it is dealing with eating massive damage on turn 1/2 from starting AP supports.

KGB

@KGB said:
It's the only defense you have against supports that grant a bunch of starting AP followed by things like Headbutt from a boosted 5 star ascended Juggs on turn 1.

Just in case anyone takes that comment to heart, here are some other options to stop enemy turn 1 attacks from winning (or often doing much at all):

• Darkveil and any hero in the game with Fantasticar will immediately shut this down.
• Revive team combos like Hulks etc.
• Turn 1 infinites like Agatha5 with Prof5 etc.
• Turn 1 perma-stuns like Riri MThor (can be a gamble)
• If you're lucky enough, ascended MBaku can eat a lot of damage and benefit from it (I recommend Arrow to also reduce a lot of that damage).

That being said, Frog is still a good option, I just don't like the amount of damage you eat while using it, and then end up with the person you wanted tanking hiding.

Not directed at any 1 person:
I don't think I've lost a single match to Leapfrog since you first realize to play around it. The human player having more options (supports) always benefits the player over the AI having the same options, you just need to strategize more. I regularly leave my teams without it equipped in high level play and come out losing very little, or gaining.

However, the Hulk3 tournament I left: Chasm - Chopper, Hulk - Frog, MBaku5 - Arrow, that was kinda dirty.