PVP Supports: Feedback Thread

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:
The meta has settled as much as I can tell and there are 5 supports or 6 if you have a great Stone.
Fantasticar
Leap
Arrow
Hot Dog Cart
Omni

It seems to me nothing else matters at higher levels.

**edit Add Krakakoa for certain team comps.

Thanos Copter is very strong, it's almost an improved version of Fantasticar, but the hivemind hasn't totally caught on yet. I really like running a hero and villain with Copter and Fantasticar -- you can hit endless cascades.

There are a couple others that are worthwhile, that I use but never see on defense. Hellfire Club is very good, but limited in who can use it. Dead Pool is also strong. Lucky is too.

Borstock

Thanos-copter can be equipped to villains, which makes it very appealing as an alternative to Fantasticar.

entrailbucket

@Borstock said:
Thanos-copter can be equipped to villains, which makes it very appealing as an alternative to Fantasticar.

Fantasticar is cool but in a fight that goes more than 4 turns it loses quite a bit of effectiveness (ymmv on that -- I'm generally fighting leapfrog teams that take an hour to kill but present no actual threat). Thanos copter never shuts off, plus it adds your strongest color to the board, and even the airborne thing is set up so it works to your advantage.

Daredevil217

@dianetics said:
The meta has settled as much as I can tell and there are 5 supports or 6 if you have a great Stone.
Fantasticar
Leap
Arrow
Hot Dog Cart
Omni

It seems to me nothing else matters at higher levels.

**edit Add Krakakoa for certain team comps.

That’s helpful.

I have
5* Leap/Arrow/Omni/Red Stone
4* Car/Krakoa
3* Copter/Yellow Stone/ Purple Stone.

Any advice on what to level next?

dianetics

@Daredevil217 said:
That’s helpful.

I have
5* Leap/Arrow/Omni/Red Stone
4* Car/Krakoa
3* Copter/Yellow Stone/ Purple Stone.

Any advice on what to level next?

Car by a mile. The rank 5 is heavy.

BriMan2222

@Daredevil217 said:

@dianetics said:
The meta has settled as much as I can tell and there are 5 supports or 6 if you have a great Stone.
Fantasticar
Leap
Arrow
Hot Dog Cart
Omni

It seems to me nothing else matters at higher levels.

**edit Add Krakakoa for certain team comps.

That’s helpful.

I have
5* Leap/Arrow/Omni/Red Stone
4* Car/Krakoa
3* Copter/Yellow Stone/ Purple Stone.

Any advice on what to level next?

Fantasticar > thanos copter > power stone

entrailbucket

I think Krakoa is kind of bad -- I'm surprised folks are using it.

I suppose it could be good if you build an all mutant team, but I haven't seen a week where that was a good option, and you would probably want the feature to be a mutant too. The other thing it's good for is as a free blue AP support, since we don't have any of those.

But otherwise? It's 4AP vs 6AP, and I'm taking 6 every time. Am I missing something with it?

WilliamK1983

I did the stones first. Reality, power, and currently working on time. Decided to do them first because they are never rotating into the token store or an offer outside of a comm challenge or placing 1st in pvp season. Every other support will either rotate in, be offered for purchase or in a vault. Took my Thanos copter from a 2* to a 4* with the vault just before anny started. Good decision since I haven't spent any hp on vaults during the anny. Anyways, that's my current strategy, dunno if I'm making the right decision or not but it's worked thus far.

JoeHandle

@entrailbucket said:

@dianetics said:
The meta has settled as much as I can tell and there are 5 supports or 6 if you have a great Stone.
Fantasticar
Leap
Arrow
Hot Dog Cart
Omni

It seems to me nothing else matters at higher levels.

**edit Add Krakakoa for certain team comps.

Thanos Copter is very strong, it's almost an improved version of Fantasticar, but the hivemind hasn't totally caught on yet. I really like running a hero and villain with Copter and Fantasticar -- you can hit endless cascades.

There are a couple others that are worthwhile, that I use but never see on defense. Hellfire Club is very good, but limited in who can use it. Dead Pool is also strong. Lucky is too.

Thanoscopter is new, give people time to acquire and build it!

Somehow I already have it up to 5, now dribbling rIso into it.

Shards have pushed so many of my supports I'm constantly out of rIso ... after having little use for it and millions piling up for so long .... !

WhiteBomber

@entrailbucket said:
I think Krakoa is kind of bad -- I'm surprised folks are using it.

I suppose it could be good if you build an all mutant team, but I haven't seen a week where that was a good option, and you would probably want the feature to be a mutant too. The other thing it's good for is as a free blue AP support, since we don't have any of those.

But otherwise? It's 4AP vs 6AP, and I'm taking 6 every time. Am I missing something with it?

The 4 on start is guaranteed, on someone like Dark it means you start the match throwing your ability every time. If you also have someone like Coulson, the match starts with even more AP, cascades and damage, basically guaranteeing a safe victory.

entrailbucket

@WhiteBomber said:

@entrailbucket said:
I think Krakoa is kind of bad -- I'm surprised folks are using it.

I suppose it could be good if you build an all mutant team, but I haven't seen a week where that was a good option, and you would probably want the feature to be a mutant too. The other thing it's good for is as a free blue AP support, since we don't have any of those.

But otherwise? It's 4AP vs 6AP, and I'm taking 6 every time. Am I missing something with it?

The 4 on start is guaranteed, on someone like Dark it means you start the match throwing your ability every time. If you also have someone like Coulson, the match starts with even more AP, cascades and damage, basically guaranteeing a safe victory.

Oh no, I'm comparing it to all the other free AP ones.

It's just that it's 100% vs 80% for the 6AP ones? I'm not sure that's worth it.

LavaManLee

Totally worth it for Aunt May. Slap Krakoa on 5Emma and bring a +2 R/Y and you are winning on the first turn for almost everything except the FU node.

entrailbucket

@LavaManLee said:
Totally worth it for Aunt May. Slap Krakoa on 5Emma and bring a +2 R/Y and you are winning on the first turn for almost everything except the FU node.

Wouldn't you just bring Arc Reactor on an iron person instead? Iron May can carry it.

Edit: haha duh -- Iron May and Aunt May can't be on the same team. PvE is pick-3 though, so you could drag War Machine or somebody along to carry Arc Reactor.

DAZ0273

Put Arc Reactor on 5* RiRi. I have R5 Krakoa and didn't even think about Emma so will try that.

I slapped my R3 Leapfrog on Mephisto in his PvP and even at that level it feels a lot like cheating.

Supports remain broken.

DAZ0273

@Tony_Foot said:

@DAZ0273 said:

I slapped my R3 Leapfrog on Mephisto in his PvP and even at that level it feels a lot like cheating.

I adore everyone that puts leapfrog on the centre character. That's not cheating that's easy feeding.

Eh, I never claimed I had any idea what I am doing. Mephisto was the main constant so it seemed easiest and you can't keep swapping it around that much. My other guys had R5s on. So who should it go then?

JoeHandle

@Tony_Foot said:

@DAZ0273 said:

I slapped my R3 Leapfrog on Mephisto in his PvP and even at that level it feels a lot like cheating.

I adore everyone that puts leapfrog on the centre character. That's not cheating that's easy feeding.

So long as the feature is the weak link. Tends to be, but not always. Esp not always in 4* feature pvps. As ascended 3s become more common, there goes 3* features, too.

entrailbucket

@JoeHandle said:

@Tony_Foot said:

@DAZ0273 said:

I slapped my R3 Leapfrog on Mephisto in his PvP and even at that level it feels a lot like cheating.

I adore everyone that puts leapfrog on the centre character. That's not cheating that's easy feeding.

So long as the feature is the weak link. Tends to be, but not always. Esp not always in 4* feature pvps. As ascended 3s become more common, there goes 3* features, too.

I still see TONS of 550/550/loaner (or 672/672/loaner!). I really don't get that.

JoeHandle

@entrailbucket said:

@JoeHandle said:

@Tony_Foot said:

@DAZ0273 said:

I slapped my R3 Leapfrog on Mephisto in his PvP and even at that level it feels a lot like cheating.

I adore everyone that puts leapfrog on the centre character. That's not cheating that's easy feeding.

So long as the feature is the weak link. Tends to be, but not always. Esp not always in 4* feature pvps. As ascended 3s become more common, there goes 3* features, too.

I still see TONS of 550/550/loaner (or 672/672/loaner!). I really don't get that.

People that seriously skipped those lower tiers?

People are lazy?

Trying to skimp on heals?

Being 'nice' to their peers by leaving that opening, while scaring off the masses with the big meat bags?

Meanwhile, in the 2Rider PvP, I am using a 3* copy, weaker than the loaner, because my 3* can carry a support. Choices, choices

Markot

I really wish there were allways 2 parallel same PVP events with same rewards but one with supports and one without supports. And each player could choose only one of them. In such case each one could choose if he likes supports in PVP or not. For me it is clear NO. I never liked PVP much but now it is even worse. I'm playing it just for rewards, but it is no fun for me (lots of invisible or away enemies when they don't have such power, lost fights in 1 move, when I don't have luck to kill enemy in my first move and he has so many AP from supports that he doesn't allow me second move etc.)
For reference, I'm veteran player on day 3935, in alliance fighting for PVE t10 each time and mostly pve t25 personally.