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  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    Yeah same for me. I honestly still have no idea what most of them do.

  • Rejoinder
    Rejoinder Posts: 28 Just Dropped In

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Not sure if it’s support related, but I just had immortal hulk perma-die with an airborne vulture against a bolt/reptil/mThor that had a fantasticar, Eros arrow, and quantum realm equipped for seemingly no reason.

    I've noticed something similar. Immortal She-Hulk sometimes gets perma-killed on her first down (not stunned, etc.), and I can't explain why.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    When it happened to hulk, it seemed like he was downed with a cascade that had a lot of stuff going on potentially from the support stack, so I assume there is some sort of interaction there but I can’t pinpoint it.

  • Bustapup
    Bustapup Posts: 180 Tile Toppler

    Its just making broken meta characters and teams even more impossible to play against. It's bad enough we see a variation of Omega, Chasm, BRB, Polaris, MThor and May in almost every single match but now we're facing them with busted supports as well?

    It's making the game massively unbalanced and just not fun.

    Example....against my better judgment I bit the bullet and got 5* Agatha, maxed her out and championed her. I've gone into the Nova event feeling confident but still face busted meta characters with supports that wipe the floor with me.

    It's not just supports that are the problem it's a match making issue as well, putting players against each other that are wildly different levels

    So far as something more constructive:

    It would be useful to see a side panel/toggle before accepting a match that shows you the supports the enemy team has equipped and what they do and it would absolutely make sense to have the supports enjoy different abilities depending whether it's in PVP or PVE

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,005 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bustapup said:

    It's not just supports that are the problem it's a match making issue as well, putting players against each other that are wildly different levels

    What does your roster look like and what are you being matched with? These problems are almost always explainable.

  • revskip
    revskip Posts: 1,140 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MegaBee said:
    I see a team in the 5-star Agatha PvP with Fantasticar, Leapfrog and Omnipotence City equipped. No way am I fighting that!

    I hit quite a few of those on my climb. Starlord was very helpful. I don't have a Leapfrog that is big enough to use but have gotten used to how to target the enemy team to get rid of it pretty quickly. You need to prepare ahead of the match and if you see the other team is using Leapfrog make sure you have an AOE on your team. Invisibility doesn't help there and if you target their biggest damage dealer to go away you can make short work of whoever is equipped with it. Also since the effects only proc 2 times a turn as long as you know which character it is on you can send the other two to invisible/away and then target the one holding the Leapfrog with a big nuke. Once they are down the invisibility and away go bye bye.

    There are a couple of 5*s that make it a little more dicey. Any of the really beefy healthpool characters at max level are probably going to need to be stunned, so both Juggs make sure you bring a stun team up when fighting those.

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,188 Chairperson of the Boards

    How do people already have 5-star Agatha champed!?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,005 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MegaBee said:
    How do people already have 5-star Agatha champed!?

    Wiccan feeds her and he's pretty old. I championed her as soon as I got the retro rewards.

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,188 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @MegaBee said:
    How do people already have 5-star Agatha champed!?

    Wiccan feeds her and he's pretty old. I championed her as soon as I got the retro rewards.

    That'll do it. I never managed to ascend him.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,638 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'm more curious as to how people have 550 Agathas already. Seen a few of them (and a 546). Surely nobody had that many dupe Wiccans?

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,638 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BlackBoltRocks said:

    @Scofie said:
    I'm more curious as to how people have 550 Agathas already. Seen a few of them (and a 546). Surely nobody had that many dupe Wiccans?

    One roster I came across that had a 550 Agatha had two 550 Beta Ray Bills. So yea, I'm willing to bet that player has quite a number of ascended Wiccans. That and a lot of HP.

    So I get the multiple Wiccan thing. If you had 4 max champs and double dipped rewards, that's 48 covers. You can buy some e.g costume bundles etc. I don't understand how to get the covers with HP, though, other than creating more dupe Wiccans and buying 40x packs of Heroics?

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,354 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie
    Assuming all of them are legit….you can swap for Agatha already if you’re a player with all 3 of the current Latests at 550 and you pull more covers from Latests for them. Then you contact CS.

    There are a decent number of players who are at this stage with their rosters and are on a 550 train, 550ing each new character as they enter the game.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,638 Chairperson of the Boards

    Ah, OK. For some reason I assumed swaps wouldn't happen if they're not available through other means. Definitely makes sense - assumed all were legit but just didn't know how it happened!

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,005 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:
    Ah, OK. For some reason I assumed swaps wouldn't happen if they're not available through other means. Definitely makes sense - assumed all were legit but just didn't know how it happened!

    That actually was the policy until it was changed, without telling anyone (because the policy is a secret) sometime last year. A few people guessed that it changed and were able to use it for awhile before anyone else could.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Scofie said:
    I'm more curious as to how people have 550 Agathas already. Seen a few of them (and a 546). Surely nobody had that many dupe Wiccans?

    I suppose it would be theoretically possible to have enough HP to get her from the Salem, Renewed store, with it's ~1:171 odds off a 40 pack for 11,800hp daily deal...

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,709 Chairperson of the Boards

    The biggest challenge the devs will have with trying to nerf supports is that, even more than the characters, it is a VERY long slog and resource intensive to get them to Level 5. It is a lot of work and they are the scarcest resources in the game. Nerfing them would probably require a good deal of compensation (similar to when the old devs nerfed 5Gambit).

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,564 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2024

    I get 10 shards every 10 days from the dupe 2* support i get from the one basic token I get out of the taco vault. this is a fine and efficient way to grow a roster of supports. It is cool there are some shards in PVP progression now though.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,005 Chairperson of the Boards

    @LavaManLee said:
    The biggest challenge the devs will have with trying to nerf supports is that, even more than the characters, it is a VERY long slog and resource intensive to get them to Level 5. It is a lot of work and they are the scarcest resources in the game. Nerfing them would probably require a good deal of compensation (similar to when the old devs nerfed 5Gambit).

    Exactly.

    Should they nerf some of this stuff? Yes.

    Will they? I really, really don't think so. I think it's possible in the future, but only if some new character or support creates something that's a MASSIVE problem.

  • Bustapup
    Bustapup Posts: 180 Tile Toppler
    edited September 2024

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Bustapup said:

    It's not just supports that are the problem it's a match making issue as well, putting players against each other that are wildly different levels

    What does your roster look like and what are you being matched with? These problems are almost always explainable.

    I'm ALWAYS getting matched against complete maxed out 5* mixtures if Mthor/brb/Polaris or chasm/omegared/may or three cyborgs.

    I wouldn't mind but I've literally only just camped my first 5s recently (jubilee, old man Logan and Abigail brand) and so none of my teams can compete event with 5 champ Agatha. I have zero chance against op teams and op supports

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,005 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bustapup said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Bustapup said:

    It's not just supports that are the problem it's a match making issue as well, putting players against each other that are wildly different levels

    What does your roster look like and what are you being matched with? These problems are almost always explainable.

    I'm ALWAYS getting matched against complete maxed out 5* mixtures if Mthor/brb/Polaris or chasm/omegared/may or three cyborgs.

    I wouldn't mind but I've literally only just camped my first 5s recently (jubilee, old man Logan and Abigail brand) and so none of my teams can compete event with 5 champ Agatha. I have zero chance against op teams and op supports

    Wait, your highest characters are around level 450 and you're being matched up with teams running 2x level 550?

    That shouldn't be possible. The game typically goes to great lengths to hide those teams from folks at your level. What end time are you playing in? Are you playing right at the beginning, or right at the end of events?

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