Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    The number of 4->5s who are usable when boosted is...honestly, most of them.

    I ascended everyone immediately, and quite a few characters I'd completely forgotten about or written off have turned out to be very, very strong. I'm fighting 550 unboosted characters using, like, 450something boosted Doop and Prowler, and shredding them.

    I agree that when you're a 5* player, very few base 4* are relevant. It's Polaris, Juggernaut, America Chavez I guess, a few others. But those are definitely NOT the only characters worth ascending.

    I suppose your mileage may vary if you prefer to use the same team for everything and not adjust with weekly boosts -- you can do just fine that way if you prefer it, I just find it boring.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    Oh, as far as the 3* go -- moving them to 4* has basically no impact. I really don't even see a difference between essentials at 266 and essentials at 370.

    But getting the 3* to 5* is an absolutely MASSIVE competitive benefit and quality of life improver, because PvP is still mostly 3* PvP. I have very few of these, but the ones I do have have made their events a cakewalk.

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,098 Chairperson of the Boards

    Anybody got 3* Hulk ascended to 5* numbers? I just pulled a second 4* hulk so I’m gonna shard him on up to be my first 3->5 ascendant.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tiger_Wong said:
    Anybody got 3* Hulk ascended to 5* numbers? I just pulled a second 4* hulk so I’m gonna shard him on up to be my first 3->5 ascendant.

    I haven't seen one and mine isn't. The ONLY thing that might give me pause on him is how high his HP goes. Anger is a percentage based threshold (at 5%), so it should be safe unless they've done something completely insane with his HP.

  • kuntilanak
    kuntilanak Posts: 196 Tile Toppler

    Given the average hp of 5* are about 70k+, 5% is, what, 3.5k+? Hmm, simple 2-3 stack cascades will trigger it, so... mThor should trigger it every turn, provided the hulk is not downed by then :D

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,364 Chairperson of the Boards

    3-5 Hulk at 450 has 96148 hp.

    So 4807 to trigger anger.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,364 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2024

    I remain unconvinced that any 3 (save maybe May?) is going to be better as a 550 than a lot of 4s and 5s, and some 1s.

    The best 3s are the 3/5 pairs and mostly the 5 version is superior. In cases where the 3 helps more I’m not sure those characters are meta enough to impact things on a consistent basis (aka unboosted).

    3nos might be the best 3-5 over the 5.

    For most players who are considering a 3-5 at 550 the 3 would probably be mostly lateral in terms of match speed/performance over existing tools.

    But it can add some fun so why not try the shortest route? However: assuming the season vaults continue to offer 3-4s you might get a better option next month or the month after? And none of them will be fast in terms of ascending esp max/max. So waiting a little bit might be wise.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,567 Chairperson of the Boards

    i'm currently chasing 3* Scarlet Witch to 5*, but not to 550. I just want a good purple battery in the tier.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    I know I'm biased in favor of levelling everyone, but on this point I think it might be generically right. I'd MUCH rather have a handful of 3* at 450 than one of them at 550 -- because they're essential so often, and the difference a 5* essential makes is so big.

    I really can't think of any 3* I'd want to use if they weren't essential. Maybe Aunt May, yeah. IM40 is useful, but taking him to 550 won't really improve his effectiveness.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 751 Critical Contributor

    I don't think anyone has really played with Honeybadger...
    3to5 Loki could be annoying.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,769 Chairperson of the Boards

    I thought people wanted 3->5 Magik for her auto crit tile placement in her alternate form. I realize the crits don't need 5 star power to be useful but she needs 5 star health to last more than a turn or two.

    KGB

  • Jinx
    Jinx Posts: 295 Mover and Shaker

    3* Emma, 3* Magik, and 3* May will all be a part of great 5* teams when ascended.

  • ViralCore
    ViralCore Posts: 182 Tile Toppler

    M’baku is a definite winner with 🔴 32322,
    🟡 28730, and ⚫️ 25139, match damage

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,769 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tony_Foot said:
    So that's a 550 god boosted right? Is that normal levels of match damage for 4-5 ascended max boosted? That's insane. Surely that's beyond broken. 6x the damage of 672 juggs, I don't have a 672 5* in this event to compare it too.

    If you look, he has 232K of 532K health which means he has 43% health. His Red passive says he gets 3% match damage boost per percent lost so 57*3=171%. That's on top of his 300%. So the total is 471% match damage boost.

    If you divide the Red (32322) by 5.71 (4.71 + 1.0 base damage) you get a base Red damage of roughly 5660. That's probably right for a 670 character.

    His boost can get a lot higher if he loses even more health.

    KGB

  • ViralCore
    ViralCore Posts: 182 Tile Toppler

    With near or over 1 million health, no ascended character is a loser



  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 604 Critical Contributor

    Found this in Red Shift pvp


    This too.

    Both were 450 base. Wanda isn't all that impressive but Clea could get crazy. Especially at 672.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    This is at 450 base (unboosted). Obviously the AP cost is ridiculous, but it's actually not a terrible deal?

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 751 Critical Contributor

    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,019 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Oh, I can't see building around this, or (probably) ever even casting it. But it's a totally crazy number for an unboosted 450.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,720 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2024

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Agree. Even with boosts, it can take a while to get 13. In that time, there are several better options that one could fire twice or almost twice (Aunt May, MT, Shang, OR just a few examples).

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