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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,847 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 15 April 2024, 13:58

    I remain unconvinced that any 3 (save maybe May?) is going to be better as a 550 than a lot of 4s and 5s, and some 1s.

    The best 3s are the 3/5 pairs and mostly the 5 version is superior. In cases where the 3 helps more I’m not sure those characters are meta enough to impact things on a consistent basis (aka unboosted).

    3nos might be the best 3-5 over the 5.

    For most players who are considering a 3-5 at 550 the 3 would probably be mostly lateral in terms of match speed/performance over existing tools.

    But it can add some fun so why not try the shortest route? However: assuming the season vaults continue to offer 3-4s you might get a better option next month or the month after? And none of them will be fast in terms of ascending esp max/max. So waiting a little bit might be wise.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,470 Chairperson of the Boards

    i'm currently chasing 3* Scarlet Witch to 5*, but not to 550. I just want a good purple battery in the tier.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,965 Chairperson of the Boards

    I know I'm biased in favor of levelling everyone, but on this point I think it might be generically right. I'd MUCH rather have a handful of 3* at 450 than one of them at 550 -- because they're essential so often, and the difference a 5* essential makes is so big.

    I really can't think of any 3* I'd want to use if they weren't essential. Maybe Aunt May, yeah. IM40 is useful, but taking him to 550 won't really improve his effectiveness.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,653 Chairperson of the Boards

    Most 3* kits are basic and boring. I would be interested to see how 3* arcade stacks up against the 5, but he still wont be useable.
    May is an obvious choice and the only other I would even really think about using would probably be Daredevil. But, Echo would be a better choice across the board.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 399 Mover and Shaker

    I don't think anyone has really played with Honeybadger...
    3to5 Loki could be annoying.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,277 Chairperson of the Boards

    I thought people wanted 3->5 Magik for her auto crit tile placement in her alternate form. I realize the crits don't need 5 star power to be useful but she needs 5 star health to last more than a turn or two.

    KGB

  • Jinx
    Jinx Posts: 295 Mover and Shaker

    3* Emma, 3* Magik, and 3* May will all be a part of great 5* teams when ascended.

  • ViralCore
    ViralCore Posts: 168 Tile Toppler

    M’baku is a definite winner with 🔴 32322,
    🟡 28730, and ⚫️ 25139, match damage

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,277 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tony_Foot said:
    So that's a 550 god boosted right? Is that normal levels of match damage for 4-5 ascended max boosted? That's insane. Surely that's beyond broken. 6x the damage of 672 juggs, I don't have a 672 5* in this event to compare it too.

    If you look, he has 232K of 532K health which means he has 43% health. His Red passive says he gets 3% match damage boost per percent lost so 57*3=171%. That's on top of his 300%. So the total is 471% match damage boost.

    If you divide the Red (32322) by 5.71 (4.71 + 1.0 base damage) you get a base Red damage of roughly 5660. That's probably right for a 670 character.

    His boost can get a lot higher if he loses even more health.

    KGB

  • ViralCore
    ViralCore Posts: 168 Tile Toppler

    With near or over 1 million health, no ascended character is a loser



  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 526 Critical Contributor

    Found this in Red Shift pvp


    This too.

    Both were 450 base. Wanda isn't all that impressive but Clea could get crazy. Especially at 672.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,965 Chairperson of the Boards

    This is at 450 base (unboosted). Obviously the AP cost is ridiculous, but it's actually not a terrible deal?

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 399 Mover and Shaker

    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,965 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Oh, I can't see building around this, or (probably) ever even casting it. But it's a totally crazy number for an unboosted 450.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,459 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 29 April 2024, 23:43

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Agree. Even with boosts, it can take a while to get 13. In that time, there are several better options that one could fire twice or almost twice (Aunt May, MT, Shang, OR just a few examples).

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 399 Mover and Shaker

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Oh, I can't see building around this, or (probably) ever even casting it. But it's a totally crazy number for an unboosted 450.

    True, if the game didn't have ridiculously unbalanced characters, that is a large single cast no special circumstances hit.

    Is there any way to share ISO yet? You have sooooooo much and I think I need most of it.

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 399 Mover and Shaker

    Also, nerf Shang Chi? Eh, EH?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,965 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Oh, I can't see building around this, or (probably) ever even casting it. But it's a totally crazy number for an unboosted 450.

    True, if the game didn't have ridiculously unbalanced characters, that is a large single cast no special circumstances hit.

    Is there any way to share ISO yet? You have sooooooo much and I think I need most of it.

    I wish they gave us some way to get rid of the stuff...

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,459 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 30 April 2024, 00:08

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Oh, I can't see building around this, or (probably) ever even casting it. But it's a totally crazy number for an unboosted 450.

    True, if the game didn't have ridiculously unbalanced characters, that is a large single cast no special circumstances hit.

    Is there any way to share ISO yet? You have sooooooo much and I think I need most of it.

    I wish they gave us some way to get rid of the stuff...

    Agreed. Currency is so odd in this game. You tend to either not have enough or have way too much. There isn't much inbetween.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WhiteBomber said:
    It cost Shang half the AP to do 5x that damage and they share red, I don't like it. Maybe if IM was fun to play. I suppose people still run him for his yella though.

    Oh, I can't see building around this, or (probably) ever even casting it. But it's a totally crazy number for an unboosted 450.

    True, if the game didn't have ridiculously unbalanced characters, that is a large single cast no special circumstances hit.

    Is there any way to share ISO yet? You have sooooooo much and I think I need most of it.

    I wish they gave us some way to get rid of the stuff...

    43mil here. I'd accept almost anything they offered, no matter how ridiculous. It's just sitting there. One million iso for 5 CPs? Sure, whatever.

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