Ascended Winners and Losers

ThaRoadWarrior

yeah for sure; I haven't been tracking exactly my progress on sharding of 4* dupes, i've been marching down mostly completed ones just to free up the slots since ascension went live, but I'm now so iso limited that they are stacking up saved covers and 5* characters are sitting unchamped with as many as 19 covers in the bank. So I want to catch back up on that a bit, and I figure focusing fire on a long-haul 4* might be interesting for science as well as a means to that end. I'll probably start a new experiment thread for it.

entrailbucket

M'baku is completely insane (he's boosted this week).

That will be all.

WhiteBomber

You know who's not insane? 4* Mbaku.

entrailbucket

@WhiteBomber said:
You know who's not insane? 4* Mbaku.

It's crazy that ascension flips all these guys on their heads. M'baku is a 4* with a decent match damage boost who really needs to tank to be useful, but never will if you use him with 5*.

But at 5* he's Better Colossus, basically guaranteed to tank his colors, with match and power damage resistance plus massive healing.

It's like he was designed to be an awesome 5*, then downgraded somewhere along the line.

WhiteBomber

Sounds like 98% of the 4* tier
"this could be a cool character... if the 4* stats weren't so far off from the 5* stats that they are useless".

A few more years though and I will have that Mbaku that isn't useless *rubs hands together

entrailbucket

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@entrailbucket said:
Someone was asking about Doop somewhere...hoo boy.

I'm running him all passive, with Chavez/Colossus/PX, and he's just a straight-up better Colossus. With AC's extra match damage boost adding on, plus PX's extra damage reduction, he's a completely unstoppable tank.

Have you tried Ascended Doop/5ProfX/Ascended Rogue. I guessing that would work well. I'm almost done with Ascending Coulson, then I'm planning on Doop next, but I need 40 covers.

I haven't, but that sounds like a pretty good idea!

I'm thinking there is a team where Doop denies AP with his passives and increases power cost for enemies. If it stacks with Prof X's increasing power costs and Rogue continually tanks and denies even more AP, that would be a great sim team.

Oh, hmm. I guess you could spec him that way. I think that might actually be TOO much defense, though!

I liked using him with AC's passive and Colossus passive stacking for match damage, with PX and Colossus passive stacking on defense. He took almost no damage.

I'm dumb. The Doop passive I was talking about is 4* Juggernaut, not Colossus.

They're close, sorta! Right???

Domitronas

Ascended Ikaris kinda slaps not going to lie

sambrookjm

I just pulled 50 LL tokens, which was enough shards to get my dupe Polaris up to 370. So now she's my second ascended 4-star, after Cyclops. This now means I'll need to find a new 4-star team for the DDQ, but I think I can manage.

Up next for favoriting? These are the characters I've got dupes at LVL 300+ for
America Chavez - 318
Captain Marvel - 329
Gamora - 305
Rocket & Groot - 303
X-Force Wolverine - 319
X23 - 302

Or should I just ride the Polaris train all the way to 550?

slidecage

I cant remember how you accend
is there a big differencee

meaning
bullseye 266 one 240 do i need to wait till 266

i got like 20 i think 3 stars i can move up but dont have the 2nd one max do i lose that many rewards by now maxing out the 2nd 3rd

got my first 4 star up to 5 america

Jinx

I have XForce paired with Shang Chi as my top pick two. Grocket with ascended Juggernaut (4>5) and OR as my other top team. I’d recommend those two first.

Scofie

@slidecage said:
I cant remember how you accend
is there a big differencee

meaning
bullseye 266 one 240 do i need to wait till 266

i got like 20 i think 3 stars i can move up but dont have the 2nd one max do i lose that many rewards by now maxing out the 2nd 3rd

The last 20 rewards give you:
15500 Iso-8
350 HP
23 CP
2 LT
1 MT
400 4* Feeder Shards
200 secondary feeder shards (or another 3500 Iso ifthere is no secondary feeder).

I guess it depends how desperate you are to play with 3Bullseye4. Given you can shard him, I'd wait. I ascended a few 3 > 4 before they were Max/Max but wish I'd waited.

slidecage

idea i have
1 level 266 others not

have almost all 3s like this many are 266 and other is just 13 covered.. would it be worth the covers wasting to move that 2nd 3 to 266 or join one 266 and one 166 to have it accended to 4

LavaManLee

@slidecage said:
idea i have
1 level 266 others not

have almost all 3s like this many are 266 and other is just 13 covered.. would it be worth the covers wasting to move that 2nd 3 to 266 or join one 266 and one 166 to have it accended to 4

It depends, in my opinion, how much you use them or not. If you aren't using them, I would try to get them up to 266 to Ascend. Because it really doesn't matter so may as well wait. If you do use them, it could be worth it to just Ascend and level up from there.

Personally, I am not levelling up until I have two at max. But that is just me.

Zarqa

General consensus seems to be that at the base level (so the first ascension tier) max/max is always the best approach unless you will use the ascended character right away. Since that really only applies for some 4s like Polaris, Juggs, etc in my opinion, you therefore should max/max everyone the first time except those few 4s you will immediately use as 5s

entrailbucket

The number of 4->5s who are usable when boosted is...honestly, most of them.

I ascended everyone immediately, and quite a few characters I'd completely forgotten about or written off have turned out to be very, very strong. I'm fighting 550 unboosted characters using, like, 450something boosted Doop and Prowler, and shredding them.

I agree that when you're a 5* player, very few base 4* are relevant. It's Polaris, Juggernaut, America Chavez I guess, a few others. But those are definitely NOT the only characters worth ascending.

I suppose your mileage may vary if you prefer to use the same team for everything and not adjust with weekly boosts -- you can do just fine that way if you prefer it, I just find it boring.

entrailbucket

Oh, as far as the 3* go -- moving them to 4* has basically no impact. I really don't even see a difference between essentials at 266 and essentials at 370.

But getting the 3* to 5* is an absolutely MASSIVE competitive benefit and quality of life improver, because PvP is still mostly 3* PvP. I have very few of these, but the ones I do have have made their events a cakewalk.

Tiger_Wong

Anybody got 3* Hulk ascended to 5* numbers? I just pulled a second 4* hulk so I’m gonna shard him on up to be my first 3->5 ascendant.

entrailbucket

@Tiger_Wong said:
Anybody got 3* Hulk ascended to 5* numbers? I just pulled a second 4* hulk so I’m gonna shard him on up to be my first 3->5 ascendant.

I haven't seen one and mine isn't. The ONLY thing that might give me pause on him is how high his HP goes. Anger is a percentage based threshold (at 5%), so it should be safe unless they've done something completely insane with his HP.

kuntilanak

Given the average hp of 5* are about 70k+, 5% is, what, 3.5k+? Hmm, simple 2-3 stack cascades will trigger it, so... mThor should trigger it every turn, provided the hulk is not downed by then

bluewolf

3-5 Hulk at 450 has 96148 hp.

So 4807 to trigger anger.