*** Sentry (Dark Avengers) ***

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wymtime wrote:

Sentry just got killed with the Nerf Bat. WR is now useless with a 3 turn CD. I agree with the reduced strike tile but more damage on Sacrafice? The way to fix Sentry was to make WR do damage to 1 person and not an AOE. Sentry is now way to slow. Really on WR how many tiles do you think will be out after 3 turn CD. Cmags will own Sentry with corrosiv field. WR will now do significantly less damage for 5 more AP. X-Force is now by far the best character in the game. Those who have X-force will now significant dominate. Lthor will be a far 2nd. Overall a much bigger Nerf than Cmags.

Hood no big deal as his blue has not changed. This should not end the turn anymore since it does not generate AP. I get why but cut out the end turn.

What games are you playing that cmags firing off field doesn't already own wr?

This nerf is completely fine. It's still completely devastating when it goes off, it just doesn't make it possible to end the round in under 30 seconds, and lets the opponent actually scramble for an answer. Which all skills absolutely should allow for.

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Phantron wrote:

I just noticed but Sentry now has pretty much the opposite combo setup compaerd to Thor. Thor you would likely run 12y + 8g, with Thunder Strike generally being able to get you the next 6g you need and do a COTS combo. This will usually kill one guy and leave the other two wounded. Now Sentry you need 12g + 8y, and it'll do significantly more damage but the enemy also has 3 turns to prepare for it which may dramatically decrease the incoming damage. I think people greatly underestimate how much damage is lost by an extra turn of delay though they really should try to find a way to fix the interaction with strike tiles.

Yeah yeah, whoever goes first still wins.

franckynight

Finally..

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Now, when are the Xforce nerfs occurring?

Or is he the new gravy train that D3 will ride until everyone maxes him too?

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onimus wrote:

Now, when are the Xforce nerfs occurring?

Or is he the new gravy train that D3 will ride until everyone maxes him too?

He's a lot harder to balance because part of his strength is a lack of characters with strongest color being blue/purple or even black. Surgical Strike is likely overpowered but it's particularly messy right now when you don't have any viable blue/purple character to use. If you force Surgical Strike to a color like purple then it's either a dead color and not even as good as Rage of the Panther, or you need to make significant changes to your roster and use someone like Deadpool/Nick Fury which will leave you vulnerable elsewhere. Against red/green/yellow being strongest color he's definitely overpowered, but that should only be 50% of the roster. It just happens that 50% currently covers all the best characters.

OnesOwnGrief

Alright, I see your tweaks, now show me what it's actually going to be in the game.

Spoit

Tons of people have x-forces. Hell, probably more people have a usable x-force than they do a sentry, especially transition people

atomzed

Meutrich wrote:

For the Sentry nerf: now, that a lot of players get to his Benedikts, you take them out (again) and leave X-Force only ? Who has got max X-Force? The vets. Thanks on their behalf for taking the rest Out of competition. We really enjoy, beging naives to staying behind.

So what do you propose to do? Buff juggernaut so that every 1* player will be top dog? Or do you want to buff Ares, so that 2* players can compete?

The truth is that for any one that you buff/nerf, you will have a character that gives the edge. And whoever has the edge should perform better.

If you don't want them, then we might as well take away all the characters from this game, to make it *fair*.

Spoit wrote:

Tons of people have x-forces. Hell, probably more people have a usable x-force than they do a sentry, especially transition people

Yes. And Xforce was buffed so much more than anyone could have envisioned.

Pwuz_

Spoit wrote:

Tons of people have x-forces. Hell, probably more people have a usable x-force than they do a sentry, especially transition people

I'm sorry, but which parallel Universe are you playing in? Which transition people (you know the ones who are struggling to make it into the top 100) are reaching #1 or 1300 progressions to even collect a single X-Force?

I don't consider myself transitioning anymore, but ALL of my X-Force covers have come from Daily Rewards & the exceptionally rare pull. Considering Sentry has been out for about half as long as X-Force, the fact that I have one more cover in Sentry (9 total) than I do in X-Force says a lot about how easy it is to get X-Force covers.

OnesOwnGrief

Pwuz_ wrote:

Spoit wrote:

Tons of people have x-forces. Hell, probably more people have a usable x-force than they do a sentry, especially transition people

I'm sorry, but which parallel Universe are you playing in? Which transition people (you know the ones who are struggling to make it into the top 100) are reaching #1 or 1300 progressions to even collect a single X-Force?

I don't consider myself transitioning anymore, but ALL of my X-Force covers have come from Daily Rewards & the exceptionally rare pull. Considering Sentry has been out for about half as long as X-Force, the fact that I have one more cover in Sentry (9 total) than I do in X-Force says a lot about how easy it is to get X-Force covers.

Man, you must not know about those super easy brackets new players get into. They aren't being shoved into the normal ones we see and have to fight for 2 stars. No, they get to hit #1 with like 400 points and walk away with XF, Fury's, and IWs regularly until they get pushed out of those cushioned brackets.

atomzed

Pwuz_ wrote:

Spoit wrote:

Tons of people have x-forces. , probably more people have a usable x-force than they do a sentry, especially transition people

I'm sorry, but which parallel Universe are you playing in? Which transition people (you know the ones who are struggling to make it into the top 100) are reaching #1 or 1300 progressions to even collect a single X-Force?

I don't consider myself transitioning anymore, but ALL of my X-Force covers have come from Daily Rewards & the exceptionally rare pull. Considering Sentry has been out for about half as long as X-Force, the fact that I have one more cover in Sentry (9 total) than I do in X-Force says a lot about how easy it is to get X-Force covers.

Before Xforce was buffed, his cover was deemed useless. Many people don't try to get his cover at all. But sentry was noted as top dog and many people actively compete for his covers.

So yes, at a certain point in time, there would have been more ppl with Xforce than sentry.

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There are probably a lot of X Force covers floating around but I doubt it's easy to get 5 in green or black and he's someone you really need the 5th cover on two of his colors. A 3/3/3 X Force isn't necessarily any better than a generic 3/3/3 3*. I don't think Surgical Strike even depletes AP at that level and X Force does maybe half the damage at that point? Still decent moves but hardly overpowering.

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atomzed wrote:

Pwuz_ wrote:

Spoit wrote:

Tons of people have x-forces. , probably more people have a usable x-force than they do a sentry, especially transition people

I'm sorry, but which parallel Universe are you playing in? Which transition people (you know the ones who are struggling to make it into the top 100) are reaching #1 or 1300 progressions to even collect a single X-Force?

I don't consider myself transitioning anymore, but ALL of my X-Force covers have come from Daily Rewards & the exceptionally rare pull. Considering Sentry has been out for about half as long as X-Force, the fact that I have one more cover in Sentry (9 total) than I do in X-Force says a lot about how easy it is to get X-Force covers.

Before Xforce was buffed, his cover was deemed useless. Many people don't try to get his cover at all. But sentry was noted as top dog and many people actively compete for his covers.

So yes, at a certain point in time, there would have been more ppl with Xforce than sentry.

Even if nobody ever competed for #1 each time X Force showed up that's still only 1 X Force cover per 500 people. He's probably easy to get a cover but that's very different from 5/5/3 or even just having 13 covers.

OzarkBoatswain

The Sentry updates are very good. Still powerful, just slower. I like that Supernova got reduced a bit too -- people don't realize how good it was at level 5.

Hood yellow change: with 4* Thor's blue, something had to change. It's still a decent move, and the extra damage means having just Hood left on your team doesn't mean you're dead. I am disappointed that it always ends the turn, especially because it puts the low-health Hood out in front when you're playing as him. But I still consider The Hood an essential character.

Trisul

People who love shield hopping might hate the Sentry nerf, but for everyone else, isn't this what you want? If you don't have Sentry, then hurray, he'll be less meta-defining! If you have him and only shield hop because you feel forced to, then hurray, Demiurge has freed you from your Sentry bondage. I find the complaining quite odd.

Demiurge had two options on Hood to reduce his desirability... nerf his ridiculously strong passive, or make his mediocre abilities weaker. Going with the latter is a defensible design choice. Contrast Punisher and X-Force: hero with 3 solid, good abilities, or hero with 2 amazing abilities and a weak one. I actually find the latter type of character more fun.

I'm actually surprised they compensated for Hood's loss of turn with extra damage. He actually has finishing power now. Hood going from 3 black --> 5 black is a really small change unless you run Sentry, compared with 3 yellow --> 5 yellow which TRIPLES his per-tile damage, maxing out at 5700 damage overall. That's pretty nice compensation. If Sentry is abandoned at the top tier, then 5/5/3 Hood will still rule.

atomzed

Phantron wrote:

atomzed wrote:

Pwuz_ wrote:

Spoit wrote:

Tons of people have x-forces. , probably more people have a usable x-force than they do a sentry, especially transition people

I'm sorry, but which parallel Universe are you playing in? Which transition people (you know the ones who are struggling to make it into the top 100) are reaching #1 or 1300 progressions to even collect a single X-Force?

I don't consider myself transitioning anymore, but ALL of my X-Force covers have come from Daily Rewards & the exceptionally rare pull. Considering Sentry has been out for about half as long as X-Force, the fact that I have one more cover in Sentry (9 total) than I do in X-Force says a lot about how easy it is to get X-Force covers.

Before Xforce was buffed, his cover was deemed useless. Many people don't try to get his cover at all. But sentry was noted as top dog and many people actively compete for his covers.

So yes, at a certain point in time, there would have been more ppl with Xforce than sentry.

Even if nobody ever competed for #1 each time X Force showed up that's still only 1 X Force cover per 500 people. He's probably easy to get a cover but that's very different from 5/5/3 or even just having 13 covers.

You are forgetting that in the distance past, Xforce was the only 4* cover given out. iw and fury came along, but Xforce was still awarded out as a price.

When you consider sentry, his pvp were months apart? Do he was relatively scarce compared to Xforce, AT the point when Xforce was buffed.

Will I say that NOW there are.more sentry than Xforce? I will say yes, there is probably more sentry now. Because he is so "I win", many people has prioritise buying covers and levelling him.

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With the new 4 stars Sentry didn't need to be nerfed. It would have been much wiser to see how much a viable 4 star team changed the meta before doing this. Essentially you've put up a (pay)wall in front of the FTP players trying to build a 4 star team.

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Nerf was finally announced. Going to really take him down a notch, but nothing unbelievable. World Rupture taking 12 instead of 7 is the biggest deal. Supernova damage is down almost 200, Sacrifice losing power on the strike tile plus taking more health from Sentry hurts too. Still will be good, but nowhere near as devastating. Guess I should be happy I stopped him at level 122?

Quebbster

I wonder if this change came about since the new MMR was repealed...

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First let me preface saying, I am not a Sentry Bomber, as I am not made of HP and don't have fun using Sentry at all, but I certainly used him in place of buying shields. It was amazing how many points I would get using him, Black Panther and Daken would get me in simulator. I have been saying Sentry needs to be nerfed since he was released.

Well this is certainly not what I was expecting, and is a pretty good demonstration why I have no faith in the game any more.

Also you always make these unpopular announcements on a Friday night, and then run away and hide, are you a professional sports team trying to bury the headlines on a Saturday paper?

You say you implemented the "pull characters from the tokens" to allow for characters to be worked on while out of the spot light. If that was actually the case you should have pulled both of these characters at the start of the season. However, not only did you not pull them, you gave out Hood twice (at least) as rewards in the last few weeks.

The change to his yellow can only be in response to Goddess Thor's charge tiles, but what you have done is pretty much made his yellow all but useless. 15 AP for meh damage, some board shakeup and targeted tile destruction THAT ENDS THE TURN? You can't possibly play this game and not have seen the yellow and Thoress being broken, yet you feature him and don't tell us you are even contemplating working on him? I sold at least 3 Hood Blacks in the last few weeks, as I don't Sentry bomb, so glad I got that 1500 iso rather then the only sensible build.

As far as the Sentry changes go, they are pretty much what I expected.

Supernova is a power that I have only used accidently or using the Hotrod theory, of "We can't hold out forever Kup, but we can give them one *humongous* repair bill." and dropping it to see if you can wipe both teams in a last ditch effort. If you think taking away a minor bit of damage from it makes it balanced, so be it.

To be honest, I never really used Sacrifice, as I wasn't Sentry Bombing as I am not made of HP, and taking that damage wasn't a good plan for sustained play. So increasing it more and decreasing the strike tile, probably is for the best.

World Rupture though certainly could use that extra 5 AP cost, or that increase in count down limits. But both? Why wouldn't you try your favorite one of the two first, and then add the other on if he still was over powered?