Introducing the All-New Cover Exchange System!
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@Zarqa said:
So, about all that talk that it’s a secret policy.Well, here is the official post about it from 6 years ago, also indicating that the LL swaps will continue after player feedback.
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73372And here is the forum discussion after
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73373See, there was an official post! Can we now stop the whole discussion about the secrecy?
I find this comparable with the Retro Feeder changes. Nothing explains this in game. We still get posts about it here from people who are confused and who feel slighted. But it’s been posted about officially, so it’s not a secret policy.
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/89849I’m all for stating that this game communicates very poorly about all the different nuances and possibilities (Ascension????), but just please stop the outrage of this secret thing. It wasn’t a secret.
lol ok, a minor update on a 6 year old buried forum post, that doesn't explain them doing swaps from anniversary or Chinese new year stores, and that was never referenced when anyone asked them about this.
The discussion is actually hilarious though -- this will kill the game, nobody will spend ever again, rug pull, bait and switch, slap in the face etc. Some of the posters who said they were quitting over that are still around, and now complaining about this!
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@entrailbucket said:
@Zarqa said:
So, about all that talk that it’s a secret policy.Well, here is the official post about it from 6 years ago, also indicating that the LL swaps will continue after player feedback.
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73372And here is the forum discussion after
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73373See, there was an official post! Can we now stop the whole discussion about the secrecy?
I find this comparable with the Retro Feeder changes. Nothing explains this in game. We still get posts about it here from people who are confused and who feel slighted. But it’s been posted about officially, so it’s not a secret policy.
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/89849I’m all for stating that this game communicates very poorly about all the different nuances and possibilities (Ascension????), but just please stop the outrage of this secret thing. It wasn’t a secret.
lol ok, a minor update on a 6 year old buried forum post, that doesn't explain them doing swaps from anniversary or Chinese new year stores, and that was never referenced when anyone asked them about this.
The discussion is actually hilarious though -- this will kill the game, nobody will spend ever again, rug pull, bait and switch, slap in the face etc. Some of the posters who said they were quitting over that are still around, and now complaining about this!
More importantly, we've learned that it was a temporary measure that stopped June 27, 2018.
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@Godzillafan67 said:
@entrailbucket said:
@Zarqa said:
So, about all that talk that it’s a secret policy.Well, here is the official post about it from 6 years ago, also indicating that the LL swaps will continue after player feedback.
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73372And here is the forum discussion after
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73373See, there was an official post! Can we now stop the whole discussion about the secrecy?
I find this comparable with the Retro Feeder changes. Nothing explains this in game. We still get posts about it here from people who are confused and who feel slighted. But it’s been posted about officially, so it’s not a secret policy.
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/89849I’m all for stating that this game communicates very poorly about all the different nuances and possibilities (Ascension????), but just please stop the outrage of this secret thing. It wasn’t a secret.
lol ok, a minor update on a 6 year old buried forum post, that doesn't explain them doing swaps from anniversary or Chinese new year stores, and that was never referenced when anyone asked them about this.
The discussion is actually hilarious though -- this will kill the game, nobody will spend ever again, rug pull, bait and switch, slap in the face etc. Some of the posters who said they were quitting over that are still around, and now complaining about this!
More importantly, we've learned that it was a temporary measure that stopped June 27, 2018.
Actually, no. They intended to stop all cover swaps. But based on immediate player feedback, they allowed to keep the swaps for 550s in place. Which is the policy they are now ending this week, 6 years later. See the linked forum thread if you want to dive into that (10 pages long)
What they ended 6 years ago, was the ability to ask CS to swap any LL cover you had more than 5 of because of bad draws, and regardless of level, since the saved covers feature did not exist yet.
I had to read it myself a few times to make that distinction as well.
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What the game needs is a "News" tab in-game, like Snap has. Then everyone will be on the same page.
That would be more useful than the tutorial tab that has no further use two days after you start the game.
I mean, it’s also why it’s so hard to lock those community challenges. Progress should be shown in-game.3 -
@BlixTheFrog said:
"Common knowledge" is what’s stated in-game. Period. All the RL people I know who casually play this game don’t use Line, this forum and barely know what Reddit is.I wouldn't go that far lol. Seen plenty of people that go off the home screen, so don't know there are 2 boss fights. Even seem new people that didn't know about quests/event tabs.
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Agree with @Seph1roth5. I’m on this Forum, I’m on Line, I’m on Discord and used to be on Reddit. And i have to admit that after years of playing, today was the first time I looked through all the in-game explanations, tips and FAQs, under the in-game Help feature.
How many of you check that as a source of truth? I doubt it’s many of us. And if we don’t, how many more causal players will?
Anyhow, I was surprised to learn that the new cover swap feature is already included in the Game Tips section! I didn’t expect that!
I was equally surprised that Ascension (or ‘Champions 2.0’) is not mentioned there at all. That is only featured in the News section.
And I learned there are gameplay YouTube videos. I watched one of them from 3 years ago and it was pretty decent.
I guess my point is, there are some in-game resources, but even those are hard to find, some outdated, and we don’t get informed when they are updated.
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It's live in today's update.
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I think it is a cool feature, but considering my playing habits and roster, I can't imagine that I would personally use it much. For context, I have every character, with zero 5's maxed, only one 4 maxed, about half of my 3's maxed, and all of my 1's have ascended copies. So any useless dupes I would pull to use for this feature are mostly the 2's and about half of the 3's.
Sure, I could shell out 800 for the last 8 covers needed to max out my 2* Ghost Rider, but I don't think I would want to spend those precious coins when the covers I need are coming in at a decent rate from tokens. It might be helpful in chasing down some of those 4's and 5's that are taking forever to max out, but I probably won't have any dupes at those levels to take advantage of this feature for some time.
I do believe that some folks will make good use of this, some might be put off by the cost and be more selective about using it, and some will have no need whatsoever. Regardless, I think it is a welcome addition to the game that gives players greater control over their roster-building.
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I like it so far. I’ve been trying to ascend my 2* and 3* storm to 5* and it’s been taking FOR. EVER. Sharding being the only way is ok but it was just a slow sandwich we had to eat and it was gonna take half a year to make and eat.
But I IMMEDIATELY see the difference with the cover swap. RNG had been giving me squirrel girl and 2* captain America covers by the bunches for a long time. I’m NEVER gonna use those characters. They’re just bad and unfun to me. Being able to throw them at my storms has been great as I’m literally going up a level a day when before, i was advancing 1 level every 10 days.
The cost is hp but if it weren’t for the advanced Lightning Vaults I was NEVER using them. And HP comes and goes when you’re post-game so it’s not a big deal to me.
So yeah….. I like it. 👍🏿
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@Tiger_Wong said:
I like it so far. I’ve been trying to ascend my 2* and 3* storm to 5* and it’s been taking FOR. EVER. Sharding being the only way is ok but it was just a slow sandwich we had to eat and it was gonna take half a year to make and eat.But I IMMEDIATELY see the difference with the cover swap. RNG had been giving me squirrel girl and 2* captain America covers by the bunches for a long time. I’m NEVER gonna use those characters. They’re just bad and unfun to me. Being able to throw them at my storms has been great as I’m literally going up a level a day when before, i was advancing 1 level every 10 days.
The cost is hp but if it weren’t for the advanced Lightning Vaults I was NEVER using them. And HP comes and goes when you’re post-game so it’s not a big deal to me.
So yeah….. I like it. 👍🏿
This is what I see as the (much!) bigger impact of this change.
Most players won't be affected by the CS thing or the high cost of 5* swaps, but almost everyone can start using it to target lower star characters for power-leveling.
I expect to start seeing more 550 2* and 3* as folks figure it out.
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@Tiger_Wong said:
I like it so far. I’ve been trying to ascend my 2* and 3* storm to 5* and it’s been taking FOR. EVER. Sharding being the only way is ok but it was just a slow sandwich we had to eat and it was gonna take half a year to make and eat.But I IMMEDIATELY see the difference with the cover swap. RNG had been giving me squirrel girl and 2* captain America covers by the bunches for a long time. I’m NEVER gonna use those characters. They’re just bad and unfun to me. Being able to throw them at my storms has been great as I’m literally going up a level a day when before, i was advancing 1 level every 10 days.
The cost is hp but if it weren’t for the advanced Lightning Vaults I was NEVER using them. And HP comes and goes when you’re post-game so it’s not a big deal to me.
So yeah….. I like it. 👍🏿
Yeah, I see two really big values to the system.
- the cost is modest enough for 2★ and 3★ that, so long as you don't have the HP slated for something else ( December Deals Vault ) it can drastically speed up one or two at the cost of the rest (and some HP.) For 2★s this is especially valuable since you can't "favorite" them for shards.
- For 5★s, it does mean you don't have to re-roster a 550 but instead roll the cover into one or your lower toons to start getting them there. Since other than Shards it's really hard to target a specific 5★ once they're out of Latest, it's still good, but the cost is high enough that you can afford to do a handful, but not dozens like CS did.
So yeah, it has killed the strategy of hoarding a massive amount of pulls then rolling them all into every single 5★ in Latest, then into others (including the new one, I think that's how that worked,) but that was a really top end strategy (I've never hoarded enough.) Once you get to 550 you can always stop pulling, so getting the 3 in Latest has only become slightly more difficult (bad luck can screw you, but it would have to be pretty bad, particularly if you've been pulling all along.)
TBH once I'm sure they're not going to be giving us more of these "December Deals" type vaults for a while, I'll probably play with trying to level 2★ by rolling at least two other 2★s into him. We'll see if the cost gets too high.
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@GrimSkald said:
@Tiger_Wong said:
I like it so far. I’ve been trying to ascend my 2* and 3* storm to 5* and it’s been taking FOR. EVER. Sharding being the only way is ok but it was just a slow sandwich we had to eat and it was gonna take half a year to make and eat.But I IMMEDIATELY see the difference with the cover swap. RNG had been giving me squirrel girl and 2* captain America covers by the bunches for a long time. I’m NEVER gonna use those characters. They’re just bad and unfun to me. Being able to throw them at my storms has been great as I’m literally going up a level a day when before, i was advancing 1 level every 10 days.
The cost is hp but if it weren’t for the advanced Lightning Vaults I was NEVER using them. And HP comes and goes when you’re post-game so it’s not a big deal to me.
So yeah….. I like it. 👍🏿
Yeah, I see two really big values to the system.
- the cost is modest enough for 2★ and 3★ that, so long as you don't have the HP slated for something else ( December Deals Vault ) it can drastically speed up one or two at the cost of the rest (and some HP.) For 2★s this is especially valuable since you can't "favorite" them for shards.
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TBH once I'm sure they're not going to be giving us more of these "December Deals" type vaults for a while, I'll probably play with trying to level 2★ by rolling at least two other 2★s into him. We'll see if the cost gets too high.
I think some players aren't aware (yet? maybe?) of just how crazy strong most of the 2* are at very high levels. It's been pretty difficult to level them, so that's understandable. It won't be the case now, if you spend the HP.
The 3* are kind of all over the place, but there are definitely a few that are insane. I've tried to share some stats when people asked in the "ascended winners" thread, as well as a few I was just surprised by. I'm trying to get everybody to 5*.
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I’m happy with this system for lower-star tiers, especially if you have them ascended. I had six 1* Yelena on the vine. Instead of re-rostering her, I swapped her for 3 IM35 covers, 2 Venom covers, and 1 MBW cover. The swaps cost 300HP; those swapped covers got me 25CP and 1250HP. No brainer.
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@entrailbucket said:
@GrimSkald said:
@Tiger_Wong said:
I like it so far. I’ve been trying to ascend my 2* and 3* storm to 5* and it’s been taking FOR. EVER. Sharding being the only way is ok but it was just a slow sandwich we had to eat and it was gonna take half a year to make and eat.But I IMMEDIATELY see the difference with the cover swap. RNG had been giving me squirrel girl and 2* captain America covers by the bunches for a long time. I’m NEVER gonna use those characters. They’re just bad and unfun to me. Being able to throw them at my storms has been great as I’m literally going up a level a day when before, i was advancing 1 level every 10 days.
The cost is hp but if it weren’t for the advanced Lightning Vaults I was NEVER using them. And HP comes and goes when you’re post-game so it’s not a big deal to me.
So yeah….. I like it. 👍🏿
Yeah, I see two really big values to the system.
- the cost is modest enough for 2★ and 3★ that, so long as you don't have the HP slated for something else ( December Deals Vault ) it can drastically speed up one or two at the cost of the rest (and some HP.) For 2★s this is especially valuable since you can't "favorite" them for shards.
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TBH once I'm sure they're not going to be giving us more of these "December Deals" type vaults for a while, I'll probably play with trying to level 2★ by rolling at least two other 2★s into him. We'll see if the cost gets too high.
I think some players aren't aware (yet? maybe?) of just how crazy strong most of the 2* are at very high levels. It's been pretty difficult to level them, so that's understandable. It won't be the case now, if you spend the HP.
The 3* are kind of all over the place, but there are definitely a few that are insane. I've tried to share some stats when people asked in the "ascended winners" thread, as well as a few I was just surprised by. I'm trying to get everybody to 5*.
3★ are pretty arduous to get to 5★ level. So far I've gotten one, Kamala, and I both "favorited" her and got the 270 Ascended version of her from a vault. Without the latter (I've gotten IM40 to 370, but no ascended so he's basically starting over,) It's probably another solid year or so unless you favorite them.
So long as you're willing to spend 200HP on them on a regular basis, this will probably speed that up a lot. Sure, it will be at the loss of, say, 3★ Hulk and Daredevil covers, but that's worth it I wager...
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@GrimSkald said:
@entrailbucket said:
@GrimSkald said:
@Tiger_Wong said:
I like it so far. I’ve been trying to ascend my 2* and 3* storm to 5* and it’s been taking FOR. EVER. Sharding being the only way is ok but it was just a slow sandwich we had to eat and it was gonna take half a year to make and eat.But I IMMEDIATELY see the difference with the cover swap. RNG had been giving me squirrel girl and 2* captain America covers by the bunches for a long time. I’m NEVER gonna use those characters. They’re just bad and unfun to me. Being able to throw them at my storms has been great as I’m literally going up a level a day when before, i was advancing 1 level every 10 days.
The cost is hp but if it weren’t for the advanced Lightning Vaults I was NEVER using them. And HP comes and goes when you’re post-game so it’s not a big deal to me.
So yeah….. I like it. 👍🏿
Yeah, I see two really big values to the system.
- the cost is modest enough for 2★ and 3★ that, so long as you don't have the HP slated for something else ( December Deals Vault ) it can drastically speed up one or two at the cost of the rest (and some HP.) For 2★s this is especially valuable since you can't "favorite" them for shards.
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TBH once I'm sure they're not going to be giving us more of these "December Deals" type vaults for a while, I'll probably play with trying to level 2★ by rolling at least two other 2★s into him. We'll see if the cost gets too high.
I think some players aren't aware (yet? maybe?) of just how crazy strong most of the 2* are at very high levels. It's been pretty difficult to level them, so that's understandable. It won't be the case now, if you spend the HP.
The 3* are kind of all over the place, but there are definitely a few that are insane. I've tried to share some stats when people asked in the "ascended winners" thread, as well as a few I was just surprised by. I'm trying to get everybody to 5*.
3★ are pretty arduous to get to 5★ level. So far I've gotten one, Kamala, and I both "favorited" her and got the 270 Ascended version of her from a vault. Without the latter (I've gotten IM40 to 370, but no ascended so he's basically starting over,) It's probably another solid year or so unless you favorite them.
So long as you're willing to spend 200HP on them on a regular basis, this will probably speed that up a lot. Sure, it will be at the loss of, say, 3★ Hulk and Daredevil covers, but that's worth it I wager...
The other problem with the 3* is that a bunch of them are kind of terrible at 5*, and a bunch of them are completely ridiculous, and there's no rhyme or reason for which is which.
Oddly the 2* are way more uniformly useful, barring Cap and Hawkeye. Maybe the percentages work out the same because there are so many more 3*.
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@BlackBoltRocks said:
I’m happy with this system for lower-star tiers, especially if you have them ascended. I had six 1* Yelena on the vine. Instead of re-rostering her, I swapped her for 3 IM35 covers, 2 Venom covers, and 1 MBW cover. The swaps cost 300HP; those swapped covers got me 25CP and 1250HP. No brainer.I just don't get why you'd ever do that for a 1? The 1 pool is so limited and the covers so frequent that eventually you will have them all as 1a5 550 and you will end up with dupes of them all as well.
You would have acquired that 25CP and 1250HP through natural cover acquisition, probably in another day or two, without throwing away the 300HP in swap costs.
I can maybe understand with 2*, once you get some 2a5s built up you can swap to the newer ones since the pool is growing with new toons. But those costs will start adding up fast and progress will be quite slow considering the multiple covers needed for each ascension level. Only people willing to spend big will be able to take this route.
3* and 4* I can almost never see using based on cost vs how many covers it takes to build ascension levels.
5* obviously DOA based on cost
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Do you have the 1*s at 550? You say it like dupes will be raining down from that tier. I've never purchased one of the $ deal for an ascended 1, but I am very active, and I only have one or two from that tier even in 5 land. If you do it the natural way, we are a long ways off from the problem described.
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@Borstock said:
Do you have the 1*s at 550? You say it like dupes will be raining down from that tier. I've never purchased one of the $ deal for an ascended 1, but I am very active, and I only have one or two from that tier even in 5 land. If you do it the natural way, we are a long ways off from the problem described.I'd assume your response was to me.
And if it was, and you don't have any 1★ at 550 yet, just another reason to ask why would you ever swap a 1★ cover, when the obvious best use it is to keep building to 550?
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@Theghouse said:
@Borstock said:
Do you have the 1*s at 550? You say it like dupes will be raining down from that tier. I've never purchased one of the $ deal for an ascended 1, but I am very active, and I only have one or two from that tier even in 5 land. If you do it the natural way, we are a long ways off from the problem described.I'd assume your response was to me.
And if it was, and you don't have any 1★ at 550 yet, just another reason to ask why would you ever swap a 1★ cover, when the obvious best use it is to keep building to 550?
Because the 1* are, generally, like... really really good at 550.
So are the 2*, and quite a few 3* and 4*.
Using resources slightly suboptimally to get really, really strong characters is not a problem for a lot of us.
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@Tiger_Wong said:
I like it so far. I’ve been trying to ascend my 2* and 3* storm to 5* and it’s been taking FOR. EVER. Sharding being the only way is ok but it was just a slow sandwich we had to eat and it was gonna take half a year to make and eat.But I IMMEDIATELY see the difference with the cover swap. RNG had been giving me squirrel girl and 2* captain America covers by the bunches for a long time. I’m NEVER gonna use those characters. They’re just bad and unfun to me. Being able to throw them at my storms has been great as I’m literally going up a level a day when before, i was advancing 1 level every 10 days.
The cost is hp but if it weren’t for the advanced Lightning Vaults I was NEVER using them. And HP comes and goes when you’re post-game so it’s not a big deal to me.
So yeah….. I like it. 👍🏿
This is a similar situation for me. I already had all the 2* ascended to 4 star and most of them in the level 340 range. I managed to pull a bunch of the ascended 2* from vaults, so I'm exchanging to get some of the better ones upgraded quicker. I don't mind slowing down the progress on human torch, moonstone, and cap and spending some HP if it means I'll get electro, war machine, Daken,and storm to 5 star faster.
Concentrating on War machine, I've already added 10 levels to him since exchanges became available. Previously the game was being stingy with his covers and I was adding a level once every few days.
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