New Iso-8 Multiplier & Iso-8-Canister items

Seph1roth5

@entrailbucket said:
I don't get why people want to police how others spend their money in this game. If I buy a "bad" deal, how does that affect you at all? Who cares what I waste my money on?

Makes sense to me. If they put out bad deals, but people BUY them, they won't put out better ones that I might actually spend on.

That said, still waiting to see how frequently the multiplier stuff is given out and for how much before I can really have an opinion on this lol.

entrailbucket

@Seph1roth5 said:

@entrailbucket said:
I don't get why people want to police how others spend their money in this game. If I buy a "bad" deal, how does that affect you at all? Who cares what I waste my money on?

Makes sense to me. If they put out bad deals, but people BUY them, they won't put out better ones that I might actually spend on.

That said, still waiting to see how frequently the multiplier stuff is given out and for how much before I can really have an opinion on this lol.

If a lot of people are buying "bad" deals, enough to sway the devs' decisionmaking, then they probably aren't objectively bad -- you might need to reevaluate your criteria.

Painmonger

@entrailbucket said:

If a lot of people are buying "bad" deals, enough to sway the devs' decisionmaking, then they probably aren't objectively bad -- you might need to reevaluate your criteria.

Popular & Good aren't necessarily the same thing, though. The 2008 financial crisis was in large part due to the popularity of home loans to people who didn't know the deal they were getting was in fact bad.

I'm not going to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't spend their money on for a mobile game, but I do value people taking the time to analyze the offer & provide a different viewpoint. Players should be better informed before making purchases & if it works for their situation, great!

In my case, I've been post-iso for over 2 years so this does nothing for me. I've got over 3K days in the game & spent less than $100 total so even if I didn't have 14M iso I still wouldn't be the target demo for this.

I think mobile devs have forgotten what micro transactions are, so I don't spend on principle. I can buy a full AAA title on sale for $20 and I'm definitely not spending that on resources I can farm for free, let alone $100 for a Stark.

If that doesn't apply to you or you've got more money than patience then spend away!

Domitronas

@entrailbucket said:

If a lot of people are buying "bad" deals, enough to sway the devs' decision making, then they probably aren't objectively bad -- you might need to reevaluate your criteria.

A lot of people spend money in casinos so yeah it can't be objectively bad right? /s If you base your whole point on "if people spend money on it it can't be that bad" I don't even know what to tell you.

We as the collective have the power to sway the decisions one way or another, but not if you accept FOMO based, dark pattern riddled "features" with open hands. "Oh no your canister is about to expire are you sure you want to let all that juicy iso go to waste? Better cough up the $" How people choose this over "pay X amount of $ to get Y amount of ISO" is beyond me.

One final point - contrary to what people think, digital goods does not "expire", it's extremely disingenuous to compare it to things like PPV tickets or physical media purchases. If you do that you're missing the point entirely.

entrailbucket

@Domitronas said:

@entrailbucket said:

If a lot of people are buying "bad" deals, enough to sway the devs' decision making, then they probably aren't objectively bad -- you might need to reevaluate your criteria.

A lot of people spend money in casinos so yeah it can't be objectively bad right? /s If you base your whole point on "if people spend money on it it can't be that bad" I don't even know what to tell you.

We as the collective have the power to sway the decisions one way or another, but not if you accept FOMO based, dark pattern riddled "features" with open hands. "Oh no your canister is about to expire are you sure you want to let all that juicy iso go to waste? Better cough up the $" How people choose this over "pay X amount of $ to get Y amount of ISO" is beyond me.

One final point - contrary to what people think, digital goods does not "expire", it's extremely disingenuous to compare it to things like PPV tickets or physical media purchases. If you do that you're missing the point entirely.

This entire game is a casino, and it always has been! Worse! At a casino there's some miniscule chance you'll leave with your money.

Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money on this game is just lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet. It doesn't matter if you get 5 iso or 50,000,000, you're not buying anything that has real-world value.

If people are buying 100,000 iso for $100 in sufficient numbers, then yes, that is a "good" deal, to them. Why is that so hard to understand? Why do you care what they waste their money on? Do you hang out in front of casinos and warn people not to go in?

dianetics

This thread turned into something else.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:

@Domitronas said:

@entrailbucket said:

If a lot of people are buying "bad" deals, enough to sway the devs' decision making, then they probably aren't objectively bad -- you might need to reevaluate your criteria.

A lot of people spend money in casinos so yeah it can't be objectively bad right? /s If you base your whole point on "if people spend money on it it can't be that bad" I don't even know what to tell you.

We as the collective have the power to sway the decisions one way or another, but not if you accept FOMO based, dark pattern riddled "features" with open hands. "Oh no your canister is about to expire are you sure you want to let all that juicy iso go to waste? Better cough up the $" How people choose this over "pay X amount of $ to get Y amount of ISO" is beyond me.

One final point - contrary to what people think, digital goods does not "expire", it's extremely disingenuous to compare it to things like PPV tickets or physical media purchases. If you do that you're missing the point entirely.

This entire game is a casino, and it always has been! Worse! At a casino there's some miniscule chance you'll leave with your money.

Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money on this game is just lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet. It doesn't matter if you get 5 iso or 50,000,000, you're not buying anything that has real-world value.

If people are buying 100,000 iso for $100 in sufficient numbers, then yes, that is a "good" deal, to them. Why is that so hard to understand? Why do you care what they waste their money on? Do you hang out in front of casinos and warn people not to go in?

Don't donate money to that orphanage, you'll never get a return on your investment!!!!!

LavaManLee

@entrailbucket said:
Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money on this game is just lighting it on fire and >flushing it down the toilet. It doesn't matter if you get 5 iso or 50,000,000, you're not buying >anything that has real-world value.

Wouldn't entertainment value be what people would get out of this? Or is it not worth paying for entertainment? Just because it isn't what you would pay for mean that money spent is "lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet".

Isn't it actually possible some people enjoy spending the money to have better entertainment value from the game?

DAZ0273

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money on this game is just lighting it on fire and >flushing it down the toilet. It doesn't matter if you get 5 iso or 50,000,000, you're not buying >anything that has real-world value.

Wouldn't entertainment value be what people would get out of this? Or is it not worth paying for entertainment? Just because it isn't what you would pay for mean that money spent is "lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet".

Isn't it actually possible some people enjoy spending the money to have better entertainment value from the game?

To be fair I think that is what he is getting at but in typical EB fashion he needs to mention a toilet.

entrailbucket

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money on this game is just lighting it on fire and >flushing it down the toilet. It doesn't matter if you get 5 iso or 50,000,000, you're not buying >anything that has real-world value.

Wouldn't entertainment value be what people would get out of this? Or is it not worth paying for entertainment? Just because it isn't what you would pay for mean that money spent is "lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet".

Isn't it actually possible some people enjoy spending the money to have better entertainment value from the game?

Of course that's what I meant!

The toilet stuff is meant to draw a distinction for anyone who might consider these things as tangible goods that have some real future value.

The casino metaphor actually works quite well for that reason. At a casino you've basically got no chance of winning money (please don't yell at me about card counting or "hot" slot machines) -- what you're getting from a casino is entertainment. You lose all your money over the course of a fun evening, with drinks or whatever, and some ups and downs. That's what's happening here.

Godzillafan67

Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money at Taco Bell is just lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet.

LavaManLee

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money on this game is just lighting it on fire and >flushing it down the toilet. It doesn't matter if you get 5 iso or 50,000,000, you're not buying >anything that has real-world value.

Wouldn't entertainment value be what people would get out of this? Or is it not worth paying for entertainment? Just because it isn't what you would pay for mean that money spent is "lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet".

Isn't it actually possible some people enjoy spending the money to have better entertainment value from the game?

Of course that's what I meant!

The toilet stuff is meant to draw a distinction for anyone who might consider these things as tangible goods that have some real future value.

The casino metaphor actually works quite well for that reason. At a casino you've basically got no chance of winning money (please don't yell at me about card counting or "hot" slot machines) -- what you're getting from a casino is entertainment. You lose all your money over the course of a fun evening, with drinks or whatever, and some ups and downs. That's what's happening here.

But then your definition could extend to possibly anything that isn't physical. Why go see movies? Why go to a sporting event? Why go to a concert? I don't "own" anything after those.

Personally, for example, casinos aren't for me. But I don't begrudge people who do enjoy them and tell them they are flushing money down the toilet. If it gives them some value, why be so harsh?

entrailbucket

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:
Anybody who's ever spent any amount of money on this game is just lighting it on fire and >flushing it down the toilet. It doesn't matter if you get 5 iso or 50,000,000, you're not buying >anything that has real-world value.

Wouldn't entertainment value be what people would get out of this? Or is it not worth paying for entertainment? Just because it isn't what you would pay for mean that money spent is "lighting it on fire and flushing it down the toilet".

Isn't it actually possible some people enjoy spending the money to have better entertainment value from the game?

Of course that's what I meant!

The toilet stuff is meant to draw a distinction for anyone who might consider these things as tangible goods that have some real future value.

The casino metaphor actually works quite well for that reason. At a casino you've basically got no chance of winning money (please don't yell at me about card counting or "hot" slot machines) -- what you're getting from a casino is entertainment. You lose all your money over the course of a fun evening, with drinks or whatever, and some ups and downs. That's what's happening here.

But then your definition could extend to possibly anything that isn't physical. Why go see movies? Why go to a sporting event? Why go to a concert? I don't "own" anything after those.

Personally, for example, casinos aren't for me. But I don't begrudge people who do enjoy them and tell them they are flushing money down the toilet. If it gives them some value, why be so harsh?

I think we're in agreement. I'm not begrudging anyone anything.

DAZ0273

You can't put a price on enjoyment because it is subjective.

dianetics

@DAZ0273 said:
You can't put a price on enjoyment because it is subjective.

I do, and it's a dollar an hour.

KGB

@dianetics said:

@DAZ0273 said:
You can't put a price on enjoyment because it is subjective.

I do, and it's a dollar an hour.

As in you'd spend $1 for 1 hr of entertainment?

If that's your metric there can't be many forms of entertainment you are able to enjoy these days. Any sporting event (attending or playing like say a round of golf), movie, theater, bowling etc is way outside your price range. Even cable TV is going to be close given here in America it's typically 100 a month and you need to watch a minimum of 3.3 hrs a day to get your money worth (you can cord cut but if you buy Netflix etc those cost too and require a fair number of hours to break even when you factor in internet costs).

KGB

WhiteBomber

1. Taco Bell is delicious and an excellent value if you order online for the discounts
2. Orphanage donations are a long term investment, you sure as hell should see a return when those kids grow up outside of the prison system
3. Entertainment plays a large roll in mental health / happiness and games like this have the ability to help keep your mind sharp, so if you have the means to do so spend away and keep the economy moving
4. I would like more ISO please, much much more, so I am currently in favor of this initiative

dianetics

@KGB said:
If that's your metric there can't be many forms of entertainment you are able to enjoy these days. Any sporting event (attending or playing like say a round of golf), movie, theater, bowling etc is way outside your price range. Even cable TV is going to be close given here in America it's typically 100 a month and you need to watch a minimum of 3.3 hrs a day to get your money worth (you can cord cut but if you buy Netflix etc those cost too and require a fair number of hours to break even when you factor in internet costs).

KGB

I don't watch tv, I don't go to or watch movies, and I don't go to concerts. All the music I listen to is from the 70s-90s that I have on cd and ripped to usb drives. So no netflix, cable, bowling, theaters, or all the rest.

I am in the gym every day, I play guitar every day, play some video games (besides MPQ), and spend time with my wife and dogs. That is aside from the 70 hours a week I put into my business.
I literally don't have time for the things you listed.

DAZ0273

@dianetics said:

@DAZ0273 said:
You can't put a price on enjoyment because it is subjective.

I do, and it's a dollar an hour.

But...it is subjective so it is irrelevant what your standard is when we are on a large platform like this! There is no right answer as long as we are not talking about active fraud.

DAZ0273

@WhiteBomber said:
1. Taco Bell is delicious and an excellent value if you order online for the discounts
2. Orphanage donations are a long term investment, you sure as hell should see a return when those kids grow up outside of the prison system
3. Entertainment plays a large roll in mental health / happiness and games like this have the ability to help keep your mind sharp, so if you have the means to do so spend away and keep the economy moving
4. I would like more ISO please, much much more, so I am currently in favor of this initiative

1.) If you love Taco Bell then the value is irrelevant.
2.) I you want to help orphans that much then the investment is irrelevant beyond how much you want to help the orphans
3.) Correct
4.) Also correct!