Black King (Sebastian Shaw) 4*

Jinx

Best teammates for him? Seems like you would want to use characters who don’t need to fire powers in a lot of colors so he will have a pool for his purple to draw on. Could use some protection/healing for him would be nice. He’ll be a beast once he’s ascended like all the other match damage 4*s, but that’s going to take a long, long time.

dianetics

What I run depends on who Thor is paired with.
Collosus Omega Red for some matches, Beta Ray Bill Polaris, Chasm Spiderman India, and some Kang/Evo Deathlok.
I didn't run one exclusive team but it was generally the same thing.
I just ran a few more matches and its basically the same.
1st turn board blow up, then nothing. The giant cascades aren't happening and it allows me to take out her partners first.

entrailbucket

@Bzhai said:

@Mr_F said:
IMO, he proves a simple thing: how busted mThor is. We already have counters for her but apparently - and may be wrong - that wasn't enough. I have tested him after I already has champed him and mThor just became a match-bot. And he is even better counter to Shang Chi than P5Collosus.

It was wise to release such strong counter to her as 4* as that is a perfect solution to a problem: how to release a counter without making countered character instantly obsolete. If he was 5* that would make mThor totally inreveleant but as a 4* he can be easily defeated in 5* land unless ascended - which will take some time to happen.

So I predict that before he will shift something in meta/mThor omnipresence, some long time will pass.

They had to make him a 4* and more accesible to the majority of the player base coz people with smaller rosters are having it toughest with undercovered mThor/polaris teams wrecking them.

Well, I feel dumb! That perfectly explains what they might be up to with him.

When I'm farming low point teams in PvP, I see tons and tons of low-level m'Thor/Polaris teams. That team must be really good for lower level players -- I bet they don't have access to good counters for it. Shaw can attack both characters in that team, so I bet he's meant as a targeted counter to it for lower level players.

He may or may not do something for us after he's ascended, but I bet he's meant to solve a current problem for newer/lower level rosters.

dianetics

He neuters Wong and the Low Level AI support too. He is good against basically all tile boosters because nobody will boost past his reduction.

If he was a natural 5 he would be a meta counter, as he is he is a problem child.

Falconfreak

So what teams are good with Shaw in it? Love him in the comics as he has one of the coolest powers and love his classic look.

Borstock

@Falconfreak said:
So what teams are good with Shaw in it? Love him in the comics as he has one of the coolest powers and love his classic look.

Well, you want him to tank, so I would bring defensive characters to keep him alive or maybe crit tile generators to maximize his match damage. Karnak? Chavez? Maybe bring Moon Knight to punish opponents trying to stun Shaw.

Pantera236

@Borstock said:

@Falconfreak said:
So what teams are good with Shaw in it? Love him in the comics as he has one of the coolest powers and love his classic look.

Well, you want him to tank, so I would bring defensive characters to keep him alive or maybe crit tile generators to maximize his match damage. Karnak? Chavez? Maybe bring Moon Knight to punish opponents trying to stun Shaw.

Moonknight doesn't hit for trying to stun his allies.

dianetics

@Pantera236 said:
Moonknight doesn't hit for trying to stun his allies.

A common pair is SheThor/RiRi and Moonknight/Shaw punishes both of them. It worked well for me in sim the two times I saw them together.

Borstock

@Pantera236 said:

@Borstock said:

@Falconfreak said:
So what teams are good with Shaw in it? Love him in the comics as he has one of the coolest powers and love his classic look.

Well, you want him to tank, so I would bring defensive characters to keep him alive or maybe crit tile generators to maximize his match damage. Karnak? Chavez? Maybe bring Moon Knight to punish opponents trying to stun Shaw.

Moonknight doesn't hit for trying to stun his allies.

You're correct. I worded myself wrong. Since teams will bring stunners to Shaw fights, you would use Moon Knight and get him out front right before the AI plans to stun.

Falconfreak

I just find it odd people are like "Shaw is amazing!" and yet we don't see any teams for him? Been using any charged tile creators for him but it feels like there is a synergy I'm missing.

Borstock

@Falconfreak said:
I just find it odd people are like "Shaw is amazing!" and yet we don't see any teams for him? Been using any charged tile creators for him but it feels like there is a synergy I'm missing.

You can't even favorite him yet.

bluewolf

Saw a 275 Shaw in Sim. I didn’t note the team he was on. Skipped.

entrailbucket

I don't think he really combos with anybody. He fits in a lot of teams. Let him tank, soak up hits, do match damage, counter m'Thor and the special tile guys.

LavaManLee

@bluewolf said:
Saw a 275 Shaw in Sim. I didn’t note the team he was on. Skipped.

I mean this in the interest of curiosity and not questioning your MPQ ability: Curious why you skipped him if you didn't even notice who else he was with. Did you think he might take long to down?

entrailbucket

I don't think he's terribly dangerous for most of us as a 4*. When ascended, yes, for sure. If you're a mostly-4* player, then he could also be problematic if you only use certain teams.

dianetics

@Falconfreak said:
I just find it odd people are like "Shaw is amazing!" and yet we don't see any teams for him? Been using any charged tile creators for him but it feels like there is a synergy I'm missing.

Shaw is amazing at what he does, and he does something that nobody else does. Until there is another character that decharges tiles we wont have anyone to compare him to.
Mine is 280 he sits behind for most of the match but then starts hitting heavy by the end of the match.
You aren't going to see a lot of him yet, and maybe not for a while. I doubt a lot of people already have him champed. In his PvP I only saw a few champed Shaws, and very few people tried to hit me. Once people ascend him you may see him, but again probably not. He will be used to shutdown Thor and headhunt the Thor/Shang teams.

bluewolf

@LavaManLee said:

@bluewolf said:
Saw a 275 Shaw in Sim. I didn’t note the team he was on. Skipped.

I mean this in the interest of curiosity and not questioning your MPQ ability: Curious why you skipped him if you didn't even notice who else he was with. Did you think he might take long to down?

Honestly I was looking for a team I could use my flavor of the month team (OR, Kitty, Goose) against and he would have made it take longer.

HuracanDolor

Dear developers,
WHY ARE WE CREATING 4* characters to address 5* problems?
1st Cosmo, now this guy. What are we doing here?

DAZ0273

This very thread answers your question - JaneThor is a much bigger problem for smaller rosters than she is for 5* players so they created a counter for those players. If the big boys want Shaw at 5" level they will waste no time getting him ascended.

Zalasta

Maybe they'll come out with a 5-star that also counters mThor. It would make sense to bring out the 4-star first. Not really holding out much hope though.