Multiple Man (Jaime Madrox) 4****

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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,826 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2023

    Someone with a sandbox ran him and he only puts dupes on existing tiles of the color you are using. So use red AP, only up to the number of red tiles. Etc.

    So to win with just red and blue would require that half the tiles on the board be red and blue (At least 16 of one and 18 of the other if no other dupes existed).

    Edit: in my head before that he was creating the color of tiles he needed which was making using him more strategic (don’t overdo it or you match your dupes away by flooding the board with a color or two etc). But that would also probably make win conditions some easier since to gather the AP you normally need to match away tiles (other than batteries and supports), and if he just spammed the color you need that would remove the push/pull of that mechanic.

  • capnthordo
    capnthordo Posts: 18 Just Dropped In

    You need to fix his name in the post. Jaime?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @capnthordo said:
    You need to fix his name in the post. Jaime?

    It's like El Cable being in the Hispanic vault.

  • MrDupaTM
    MrDupaTM Posts: 67 Match Maker

    @DrClever said:
    How easy do we want an auto win to be?

    Well, mThor and 5* Polaris made it into 4-5 rounds territory now.

  • UnityGamer
    UnityGamer Posts: 45 Just Dropped In

    What will a Dupe tile look like? Will it have a special icon indicator next to or over the special tile - similar to that of trap tiles; will the special tile have a different color outlook (ie: friendly tiles are white and enemy tiles are black, so dupe tiles will have a different color)? I would like a little clarification on what a dupe tile is.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,826 Chairperson of the Boards


    This is a screenshot of a match with various dupe types on it. They have a variety of appearances. Some look like normal trap tiles. Others look fairly unique from other existing tiles with litttle Madrox heads on them.

  • IrisRyu
    IrisRyu Posts: 174 Tile Toppler

    That board does not look at all like I expected. MM’s event with boosted Sinister this week will be a joy.

  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor

    What happens if you match a dup tile in a match 3? What happens if you match 3 dup tiles in a match 3?

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,248 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2023

    @bluewolf said:

    This is a screenshot of a match with various dupe types on it. They have a variety of appearances. Some look like normal trap tiles. Others look fairly unique from other existing tiles with litttle Madrox heads on them.

    How do we know what we are looking at here?

    The Blue/Red tiles with his head on them look like Duplicate tiles.
    The trap symbol on Yellow/Purple tiles I assume is from 'My Own Best Friend' power being fired.
    The Yellow/Green/Purple tiles look like they are the normal symbols that indicate which character tanks that color for your team (ie the first Red in the 2nd row has Juggs symbol on it indicating he tanks that color) but I am not sure which character that is (we can't see the team).

    Is that right?

    KGB

  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor

    @KGB said:

    @bluewolf said:

    This is a screenshot of a match with various dupe types on it. They have a variety of appearances. Some look like normal trap tiles. Others look fairly unique from other existing tiles with litttle Madrox heads on them.

    How do we know what we are looking at here?

    The Blue/Red tiles with his head on them look like Duplicate tiles.
    The trap symbol on Yellow/Purple tiles I assume is from 'My Own Best Friend' power being fired.
    The Yellow/Green/Purple tiles look like they are the normal symbols that indicate which character tanks that color for your team (ie the first Red in the 2nd row has Juggs symbol on it indicating he tanks that color) but I am not sure which character that is (we can't see the team).

    Is that right?

    KGB

    The symbol on the green, purple, and black tiles is Electro's.

    On the first post screenshots, we can see that Madrox's symbol is 6 dots in 2 columns, with a vertical line between them, matching his shirt in the artwork. Like you, I guess the heads on the red and blue tiles are the dup tiles, presumably, they will be black for an opponent Madrox.

  • Seph1roth5
    Seph1roth5 Posts: 427 Mover and Shaker

    All of that sounds crazy/wrong/not wai.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,248 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tiger_Wong said:
    I’ve got MM at 1/1/1 and he is hella different than any other character so far.

    • you can move his tiles to make a match but you don’t get the AP for that MM tile.
    • If there are 2 MM tiles lined up and you move a tile to match 3, the other 2 MM tiles just stay there while the non-MM tile disappears. You don’t get 3 AP. You only get 1 AP.
    • If you attempt to match 1 MM tile with 2 other MM tiles, the game will not accept it as a match.
    • If an MM tile drops next to 2 other MM tiles of the same color, you still won’t get a match. But, the 3 MM tiles will sit next to each other. And they will taunt you (j/k about the taunting. But it feels like it taints me)
    • because all you need is 2 AP to fire a power, if you start the match with a +2 all color boost, you can fire off yellow 7 times and start the match 14 MM tiles. This also means if you team him up with Magik, you get a bunch shields on the field for free or strikes with OML or a bunch of CDs with Coulson on turn 0.
    • as long as you have 2 AP in a color, the tile that choose overwrites any special tile. CD, repeater, SAP….. I’m not sure about web or chasm. I haven’t tried those. But it’ll overwrite whatever you choose and the random ones CAN overwrite your own special tiles.

    The unable to make a match with MM tiles seems awfully strange. I am sure he didn't tank anything for you at 1/1/1 in 5 star land but it seems to me that his Black passive could easily fill the board with MM tiles locking things up so that there are no valid matches possible if he faced off against an SAP team like BrB/Polaris. I wonder what happens in that case.

    Also were you able to test destroying MM tiles via powers?

    KGB

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    I guess there's an in between state of

    • Oh look! That's unusual.
    • Well I never. I wonder why that happens.
    • Will they like it?
    • Only one way to find out.
  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,649 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tiger_Wong said:

    • MM trap tiles (select yellow or purple) sometimes cant be destroyed or won’t be destroyed. Teamed MM with FosThor and vs her in pvp and she literally refused to destroy the MM trap tiles. It’s wild.
    • When I used Jeff to eat the MM tiles, I can only target the normal MM tiles. And Jeff only ate the MM tiles of that specific tile color. Usually when I have Jeff eat a type of tile, he’ll eat them all, regardless off tile color.
    • If you make a match 4+ with an MM tile, the MM tile goes away and the AP is consumed. BUT if there’s match4+ and an MM tile is on the same row/column IT WILL NOT BE DESTROYED AND YOU WONT GET THE AP FROM IT.
    • unlike FosThor, other powers will destroy both normal MM and trap MM tiles. But it can’t target the trap MM tiles. Powers like Black bolts green, carnage’s green, Thanos’ green etc

    This is wild. This is a really wild kit with some crazy stuff going on.

    You should submit this as a bug so we can get some clarification on it.
    If his kit actually works like this and it is not a bug I'm going to ascend him as soon as possible.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,826 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2023

    Hmmm. If AI MM casts yellow and makes traps, will you see the trap symbol on it? Or will there just be tiles you can’t match-3 and you need to realize why?

    Because I assure you lots of players will not realize why.

    Edit: “can’t target/won’t destroy his trap tiles” just has to be unintentional.

    They have to do be doing some crazy stuff under the hood to make this work and getting it tuned just right is obviously tricky.

    I assume if you kill MM all the dupes instantly disappear? But am not confident in that happening.

  • djperry1973
    djperry1973 Posts: 25 Just Dropped In

    My first thought was that I was surprised there wasn’t a “on being downed, consume X dupe tiles to revive at Y% health” passive, but even as I was typing that it felt well down the road to being a ludicrously broken ability that would cause Chasm-like angst.

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 837 Critical Contributor

    @Bowgentle said:
    You have to wonder how much of that is intentional and what is bugged.

    Are you saying bcs sometimes release a character that doesn't work properly?

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