New Feature - Champions 2.0 (Live with R287)

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  • Bzhai
    Bzhai Posts: 513 Critical Contributor

    @bigcaktus said:
    Will a 1* or 2* champion ascended to a 3* (at least) be able to be equiped with a support ?

    No, only organic 3-stars onwards.

  • DyingLegend
    DyingLegend Posts: 1,210 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'm not going out of my way to make a 1 star a 5 star.
    When balance if power is around , I rarely use 1 star characters during it.
    I've noticed they are now selling roster slot tokens in some of the deals and the biggest issue this will create will be around roster slots.
    Until roster slots get cheaper, or duplicate characters don't consume an additional roster slot, I don't think I'll be investing in champ 2.0. I barely have enough resources to keep up with new characters.

  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards

    Since the Ascend Champ rewards do not reward covers or shards, they should have replaced it with Classic Tokens

  • slidecage
    slidecage Posts: 3,490 Chairperson of the Boards

    well since i sold off all of my dups 1 2 and 3s so i would not have to pay 1200 tokens for slots this means nothing to me and really no reason to even try it,,, mostly a big middle finger to all of the people who had 300 slots filled and had to sell

    just another reason why stop putting money into this game long ago

  • trewiltrewil
    trewiltrewil Posts: 76 Match Maker

    @Bzhai said:

    @bigcaktus said:
    Will a 1* or 2* champion ascended to a 3* (at least) be able to be equiped with a support ?

    No, only organic 3-stars onwards.

    Wait, I thought ICE said all 3s or higher can get a support... as each star rating is technically a separate character (they can be balanced separately) that would imply once a 2 ascends they can have a support? Did I miss something?

  • Ultrace
    Ultrace Posts: 16 Just Dropped In

    @trewiltrewil said:

    @Bzhai said:

    @bigcaktus said:
    Will a 1* or 2* champion ascended to a 3* (at least) be able to be equiped with a support ?

    No, only organic 3-stars onwards.

    Wait, I thought ICE said all 3s or higher can get a support... as each star rating is technically a separate character (they can be balanced separately) that would imply once a 2 ascends they can have a support? Did I miss something?

    You missed nothing. The post from ICE indicates that once a character is ascended to 3* or higher, it can be equipped with supports. I would even expect that 1* Spider-Man ascended could use Spider-Man specific supports.

  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor

    @Punisher5784 said:
    Since the Ascend Champ rewards do not reward covers or shards, they should have replaced it with Classic Tokens

    There are 2 Classic Tokens in the 3* no feeder rewards.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MoosePrime said:

    @Punisher5784 said:
    Since the Ascend Champ rewards do not reward covers or shards, they should have replaced it with Classic Tokens

    There are 2 Classic Tokens in the 3* no feeder rewards.

    Where's that info from?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    We really need a centralized space for all the information that the devs put out in various places.

    Maybe someone could create some kind of MPQ forum?

  • MoosePrime
    MoosePrime Posts: 969 Critical Contributor

    @Bowgentle said:

    @MoosePrime said:

    @Punisher5784 said:
    Since the Ascend Champ rewards do not reward covers or shards, they should have replaced it with Classic Tokens

    There are 2 Classic Tokens in the 3* no feeder rewards.

    Where's that info from?

    The spreadsheet on the first post.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MoosePrime said:

    @Bowgentle said:

    @MoosePrime said:

    @Punisher5784 said:
    Since the Ascend Champ rewards do not reward covers or shards, they should have replaced it with Classic Tokens

    There are 2 Classic Tokens in the 3* no feeder rewards.

    Where's that info from?

    The spreadsheet on the first post.

    ...OMG.
    When your new feature takes 5000 words to explain AND an excel.

  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards

    After reading these posts, I have many points I would like to make about this:
    1. Ascending 1s, 2s and 3s will give you better rewards and is the smartest way to farm.
    2. Ascending 4    s will give equivalent rewards but a stronger 4* to use
    3. Unfortunately, this would take a crazy amount of roster slots to ascend everyone, 5 slots per 1*, 4 slots per 2*, 3 slots per 3*, etc.
    4. Most players will not be ascending 4s anytime soon and even if they do it would take years to hit 550. Even 1s would take at least a year (unless you have a hoard of standard tokens).
    5. This is actually good for new rosters because they could ascend just a few lower tier characters really fast.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThisisClemFandango said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    We really need a centralized space for all the information that the devs put out in various places.

    Maybe someone could create some kind of MPQ forum?

    Am I a joke to you?
    I give this forum my all by giving you all the information that isn't correct or vaguely useful.
    Nor am I paid for my time to come up with this absolute tosh.

    Sorry, have you not been receiving your paychecks? I've been paying you to come up with this absolute tosh for months now...

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,285 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    @bbigler said:
    After reading these posts, I have many points I would like to make about this:
    1. Ascending 1s, 2s and 3s will give you better rewards and is the smartest way to farm.
    2. Ascending 4    s will give equivalent rewards but a stronger 4* to use
    3. Unfortunately, this would take a crazy amount of roster slots to ascend everyone, 5 slots per 1*, 4 slots per 2*, 3 slots per 3*, etc.
    4. Most players will not be ascending 4s anytime soon and even if they do it would take years to hit 550. Even 1s would take at least a year (unless you have a hoard of standard tokens).
    5. This is actually good for new rosters because they could ascend just a few lower tier characters really fast.

    My quibbles with this are:

    4) - Actually many players (At least vets on this Forum) have a couple max champed 4* (particularly the meta ones which tended to be shargeted to 370 ASAP). Those like America Chavez will be well served to push up from 370 to 450 (80 levels!) for just 13 covers (champ a 2nd America) for the extra health + 5* match damage. So expect to see quite a few Polaris, Juggs, America, Karnaks etc ascended even if they are just baby champed (where lots of players are anyway)

    3) - It only takes a crazy amount of slots if you are going to do multiple at a time. Otherwise you only need 4-5 more slots to ascend 1 at a time (7 for a 1* which is worst case) . For example I have a fully duplicate 2* farm (a max champed + one building). I could ascend all my 2's to 3's on day 1 without needing a single extra slot and then I could start the process of getting those to 266 which will take a while before I need any extra slots for ascending reasons.

    What's clear to me is that new player benefit this most from this because their 1* will be relevant much longer (can ascend them all to 144 which is max 2). Whether it's really worth ascending further (to a 3) is debatable since the 3* tier has a lot of characters and plenty of those are quite good (the 2* tier doesn't have much in it so ascending Juggs and Spiderman makes sense).

    KGB

  • jsmjsmjsm00
    jsmjsmjsm00 Posts: 268 Mover and Shaker

    Yeah I'm curious how they concluded points 1 and 2 given other comparisons are showing it as strictly inferior rewards compared to farming.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards

    I dunno, the 5* champion rewards are really, really good. It's a 4-slot rotation of LT, HP, 25CP, and a bunch of iso.

    Yes, you lose out on specific shards from 4* feeders, but I'll take the tokens and CP all day.

    I don't know how the 3->4 rewards work, or the other, lower tiers.

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 527 Critical Contributor
    edited September 2023

    It won't take 7 roster slots for a 1*. For most of the time you only need 2.

    First off, I realize I misspelled Spidey. Not gonna go through all those and change them 😏

    When it says "wait for 13 covers" you will need a slot just for the time to roster them and combine them. Even a lot of the time that level 94 is being immediately combined with a level 166.

    You can even hoard standard tokens, should take about 200 tokens to get 26 covers for the wait for 13 covers spots.

    Only one time do you ever need a 5th slot and it's a wait for 13 covers.

    Even the 4th slot is always a wait for 13 covers and once a level 94 immediately combined with a 166.

    A 3rd slot is needed from lines 24 through 29 and if you didn't want to hold that 3rd slot you could hoard tokens for that, should be about 800 tokens.

    There's quite a bit of time where you are only needing 1 slot even. It's not quite as bad as some are making it.

    Edit to add I'm not taking into account waiting to combine 2 max champed. Would still not change the 5th slot and 4th slot would just be one time of taking a level 94 to 144. Even for the 3rd slot this would only add 2 times of taking a level 94 to 144. Again you could hoard tokens for that.

  • Punter1
    Punter1 Posts: 729 Critical Contributor

    @bbigler said:
    After reading these posts, I have many points I would like to make about this:
    1. Ascending 1s, 2s and 3s will give you better rewards and is the smartest way to farm.
    2. Ascending 4    s will give equivalent rewards but a stronger 4* to use
    3. Unfortunately, this would take a crazy amount of roster slots to ascend everyone, 5 slots per 1*, 4 slots per 2*, 3 slots per 3*, etc.
    4. Most players will not be ascending 4s anytime soon and even if they do it would take years to hit 550. Even 1s would take at least a year (unless you have a hoard of standard tokens).
    5. This is actually good for new rosters because they could ascend just a few lower tier characters really fast.

    Mostly agree, however or to reinforce:

    1. 4s as 5s give worse rewards thanks to the 4:1 ratio, you also miss out on guaranteed 5s that come with any feeder 4*, only LTs in the 5* champ rewards. 100x 4* champ level rewards > 25x 5* champ level rewards

    2. as others noted - yes theoretically if all ascending equally at one point the number of slots needed would be crazy, but in practice some degree of roster spot sharing will occur so it's not too crazy. That being said it will get convoluted as you get multiple 1s and 2s higher and need to remember what stage you are now at!

    3. agree here. Those at 550 may have double max dupes, congrats they get an ascended 5* at 475, how useable are they when at 550 MMR? Their 3rd (and 4th and 5th!) copy is "useless" to the progression of the ascension so now they have to somehow pull 100 more covers just to get a lvl 500... it's a long journey from Monday to a 550 4*

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