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  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    just went through the list of Batch 1, and the only day -1 convertible characters I have right now with appropriate dupes built are Medusa (290), Rogue (298), Sabretooth (274), and Valkyrie (285). I'll likely convert all but Sabretooth, who I am grinding for Omega Red shards right now. though my dupe is only at 274, so perhaps I'll get him to 280 and merge, then start a second dupe since that's about the same number of covers as just going all the way to 300. I think baby champ jump-ups are going to be interesting to play with, i'm not super worried about taking them all the way to 550 at the moment. I have incomplete duplicates of a lot of the others on the list (nothing below 4* since my farming strategy has historically been slash and burn rather than sustainable), and a lot of the rest are within a few covers of 370, so I may get to play with a decent number of these in reasonably short order.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards

    I am slightly surprised that Moondragon is in the first batch - is she still not part of the latest 4's or not? I dunno exactly what a 5* Moondragon could possibly look like as she is such a strange character anyway but with her being so new this is a bit unexpected she is good to go already. I guess maybe the thinking is people wont have her max champed? But then that also seems a strange decision to include her.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    Yeah Moon Dragon as a complete damage dodger could be really wild at 450 (i'm going to stop hyperbolizing 550s at this stage personally, since that's not my reality for some years for sure). Currently her only saving grace is that if you start a match with Chasm and stun her, she can be matched down very quickly.

    I'd love to see the roadmap on these character groups. I have a bunch of eligible 4s that weren't in this list like Vulture, Spider-Gwen, Shuri, Panther, Rocket,professor x,peggy, Cage, Lockjaw (lol), Kingpin, Kate Bishop, Juggernaut, Hulkbuster, Frost, Carol, and Chavez it would be good to know a timeline on.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    @IceIX on story nodes inSCL10 that feature 1* characters scales to 650, is the plan to ascend them instead going forward? Also this feels like a great opportunity for some new story content to show this off. Maybe even a new prologue mission?

  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,503 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Alligator Loki starting invisible might be surprisingly annoying; there are also a lot of killer stuns in the 4* tier, so 4* Gamora ascended to 5* could prove quite effective, also 4* Iceman. Really most of the 4* tier seem better designed than the 5* tier does.

    Agreed, the design is much more obvious and they are alot easier to play well. I personally don't enjoy Legion like complexity, so all things equal, the 4* version is much easier to use effectively

  • Hilk
    Hilk Posts: 131 Tile Toppler
    edited September 2023

    @IceIX said:
    Gonna want to open this one in a new tab, but here's Iron Man at max level per Ascension for various comparisons.

    @IceIX
    When /how are all the normal “new character” stats for each ascension level for each character going to be released?

    Or does the community have to get together and discover/document it somewhere…

  • Captain_Trips88
    Captain_Trips88 Posts: 268 Mover and Shaker

    Echoing a lot of the thread but my two cents
    I’ll probably ascend my 1s in order to gain champion rewards for all those covers that are currently sold.
    I might do 2    s again to take advantage of all those covers
    But that’s probably it at this stage. I have 1 max 4* in about 7 years of play

    Anyone thought about 5* Deadpool with whales??

  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,503 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Captain_Trips88 said:
    Echoing a lot of the thread but my two cents
    I’ll probably ascend my 1s in order to gain champion rewards for all those covers that are currently sold.
    I might do 2    s again to take advantage of all those covers
    But that’s probably it at this stage. I have 1 max 4* in about 7 years of play

    Anyone thought about 5* Deadpool with whales??

    and Ascended version of dp will be be fine. The jump in front power is super useful. but the main caveats are. dp whales is super expensive. In level 500+ pvp, you rarely see matches that last enough for those powers to be viable.

  • ElectricVasting
    ElectricVasting Posts: 26 Just Dropped In

    Just want to point out that in the most recent Q&A, the devs also said that SCL10 and SCL9 have the most players in them, and the player pool steadily declines till you reach SCL1. So as Bowgentle mentioned, the 3% is pretty misleading. If you're looking at the players who are actually playing the game, it is not only a tiny minority that's in the advanced stages.

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    It should qualified though that we don't know the total amount of players that the 3% applies to. If it is 1 million total players, then 30,000 of them have a 450...

    The specific number doesn't matter as much as the general direction. We are a tiny minority, that's what matters.

  • Ultrace
    Ultrace Posts: 16 Just Dropped In

    @Bad said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    (i'm going to stop hyperbolizing 550s at this stage personally, since that's not my reality for some years for sure).

    This is one of the most realistic comments in this thread.
    Did you care much on getting 550 level 5s on many years? Probably not.
    Do you see a lot of 550 players in your MMR? Probably not.
    Are you going to ascend many characters over your most advanced characters in roster? Probably not.
    Are you going to fight the few ascended 3     you could see in a pvp in your MMR or just skip it? Probably the last option.
    Then, why are you panicking so much, blaming devs, capitalism or advanced players?
    Good question here :D

    I don't think 550s are going to be the reality for many players for quite a long time. However, 370s in 4* land and 450s in 5* land are going to be a reality, and the interplay between some of those characters could be quite concerning.

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,660 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    @Bad said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    (i'm going to stop hyperbolizing 550s at this stage personally, since that's not my reality for some years for sure).

    ...

    Are you going to fight the few ascended 3* you could see in a pvp in your MMR or just skip it? Probably the last option.

    Actually, probably yes. Very few 3 stars have game-breaking powers or scale particularly well. I'll beat up (3)Hulks 5 stars all day -- sure they'll spam out green tiles but their powers kind of suck. Sure if IM40 gets out his yellow it could suck when the other toon blasts me, but 2 turn CDs that late in the game aren't going to be that threatening.

    I think people are right to be concerned about a few of the better 4 stars (like Polaris or America Chavez,) but in general 5 star powers are just plain better.

  • liminal_lad
    liminal_lad Posts: 477 Mover and Shaker

    Advice question. I have a 2 star Thor I could ascend Monday. Given that he’s functionally a carbon copy of 3 star Thor, would the rewards be better or worse between farming and ascending?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ElectricVasting said:
    Just want to point out that in the most recent Q&A, the devs also said that SCL10 and SCL9 have the most players in them, and the player pool steadily declines till you reach SCL1. So as Bowgentle mentioned, the 3% is pretty misleading. If you're looking at the players who are actually playing the game, it is not only a tiny minority that's in the advanced stages.

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    It should qualified though that we don't know the total amount of players that the 3% applies to. If it is 1 million total players, then 30,000 of them have a 450...

    The specific number doesn't matter as much as the general direction. We are a tiny minority, that's what matters.

    Yes, if you disregard all the non-5* players, then 5* players make up 100% of what's left. It's just simple math!

    Likewise, if you disregard all the players who don't play every single event, or who play at a level you'd consider "casual" (whatever that is), then the remainder will all be hardcore players.

    All the players you handwave away continue to exist, and they're customers just as much as we are.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,986 Chairperson of the Boards

    @GrimSkald said:

    @Bad said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:

    (i'm going to stop hyperbolizing 550s at this stage personally, since that's not my reality for some years for sure).

    ...

    Are you going to fight the few ascended 3* you could see in a pvp in your MMR or just skip it? Probably the last option.

    Actually, probably yes. Very few 3 stars have game-breaking powers or scale particularly well. I'll beat up (3)Hulks 5 stars all day -- sure they'll spam out green tiles but their powers kind of suck. Sure if IM40 gets out his yellow it could suck when the other toon blasts me, but 2 turn CDs that late in the game aren't going to be that threatening.

    I think people are right to be concerned about a few of the better 4 stars (like Polaris or America Chavez,) but in general 5 star powers are just plain better.

    Just pointing out -- we don't have any idea what 3* Hulk will look like/scale to as a 5*. They did specifically say that he won't just be higher-level version of 3* Hulk, like the ones that show up in PvE currently.

  • meadowsweet
    meadowsweet Posts: 272 Mover and Shaker

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Since ones and twos aren’t directly shardable, I wonder if a 3* character will be fastest to 550?

    @entrailbucket said:
    I think all of us are spending WAY too much time worrying about taking 1* and 2* to 550, and not nearly enough time thinking about what 550 Polaris or America Chavez will look like. Those guys are significantly more achievable and (probably) significantly more useful.

    Tier: Number of Characters x Covers to Level 550
    5★: 87 Characters x 113 Covers = 9,831 Total
    4★: 143 x 526 = 75,218
    3★: 59 x 952 = 56,168
    2★: 14 x 1,404 = 19,656
    1★: 3 x 1,508 + 5 x 1,460 = 11,824

    While it's true that 3★ characters have shards, that's just not going to be sufficient to overcome the current math of the game:

    1) Lower-tier tokens / covers are far more common (2★ are actually most common, since you can only receive 1★ covers from Standard Tokens)
    2) There are far more upper-tier characters than lower - 3★ outnumber 2★ by 4:1 and 1★ by 7:1
    3) The 3★-5★ tiers are all growing by one additional character every four weeks, while 1★ & 2★ remain static

  • GENxSLADE
    GENxSLADE Posts: 25 Just Dropped In

    I am both scared and excited. This is BIG and could make or break the game for a lot of people. You all are bold for this gamble and I assume you really thought this through.

    Personally I embrace change and would love to ascend a few characters. I recently hit max champ on a few 4* and could benefit from them ascending. Cough America Chavez.

    But I'm very interested in seeing how this shakes up the Meta. A wild Ascended 5* Juggs will be fun to see lol.

  • Ultrace
    Ultrace Posts: 16 Just Dropped In

    Out of curiosity, anyone know the best way to get Standard Hero Packs for an SCL10 player? They're not frequently in the rewards brackets, and that's going to be the best way for me to start my journey towards 1Spidey5.

  • meadowsweet
    meadowsweet Posts: 272 Mover and Shaker
    edited September 2023

    @KGB said:
    Unless you want to ascend a WHOLE bunch of characters in parallel, you won't need to buy a lot of slots.
    The only time you'll need more than 1 more slot is when ascending multiple characters at a time

    @MoosePrime said:
    You shouldn't need more than 5 slots.
    1 - maxed 4* ascending to 5*
    2 - maxed 3* ascending to 4* to consume to ascend the maxed 4*
    3 - maxed 2* ascending to 3* to consume to ascend the maxed 3*
    4 - maxed 1* ascending to 2* to consume to ascend the maxed 2*
    5 - maxed 1* to consume to ascend the other maxed 1*

    Let's say you're trying to take all 311 current characters to the 5★ tier. Each 5★ only requires a single roster slot.

    Each 4★ needs a second roster slot, but only for the period of time you're collecting covers 114 - 126 (the first 113 go into your Max Champ, and after 126 you Bind & Ascend.)

    But the fifty-nine 3★ get a little trickier. There's the original 113 Max Champ, a temporary duplicate for covers 114 - 126, then Bind & Ascend to 4★ and spend 300 covers Max Champing them. But now you have to start another 3★ - this requires two roster slots for the next 113 covers, and three slots for the 13 covers after that, then you Bind & Ascend the three of them up to 5★.

    You'll need up to four slots for the fourteen 2★ and up to five slots for the eight 1★ characters. So in the absolute worst case scenario, where you're in the middle of the process for all characters, you would need 646 Total Roster Slots.

    5★: 87 Characters x 1 Slot = 87 Total
    4★: 143 x 2 = 286
    3★: 59 x 3 = 177
    2★: 14 x 4 = 56
    1★: 8 x 5 = 40

    Now, in reality, no one would ever find themselves in this situation, where they're 1 cover away from 5★ ascension on every character in the game. But you will need to (temporarily) dedicate dozens of roster slots to the 1★ - 3★ duplicates while you have all of them in various stages of the process - it's going to take weeks per character at the very least, more likely months given the "exchange rates" to level up at the higher levels. Or you can alternate between characters while continuing to farm or sell extra covers. But that's just going to slow down your overall 5★ Ascension goal.

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